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Glenn (or anyone else with a F & P):

I copied these instructions for reusing wash water with an F&P. Am I reading this wrong or do they suggest you pull sopping wet clothing out of the full tub of water and replace it with another load. Or has the water spun out and gone into a laundry tub ala US machines with suds-saver?

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Figured I should give more information on the DishDrawers since they are coming up in discussion. They come in single and double models with and without LCD display and integrated models which can be hidden within cabinitry. This is done by making the front look like your cabinet. This cannot be done with LCD models. The single models need support by additional construction underneath but the double models can fit in the space where a standard dishwasher would. Here are the models from off of the website:

DS603I:Single,non LCD,integrated.
DD603FC:Double,non LCD,Stainless Steel finish.
DS603ZW:Single,LCD,White in color.
DD603SS:Double, LCD, Stainless Steel finish.
DD603IH:Double, non LCD, integrated.
DD603B:Double, LCD, Black in color.
DS603SS:Single, LCD, Stainless Steel finish.
DS603B:Single, LCD, Black in color.
DD603I:Double, non LCD, integrated.
DS603FC:Single, non LCD, Stainless Steel finish.
DD603HSS:Double, LCD, Stainless Steel finish.
DD603ZW:Double, LCD, White in color.
DS603IH:Single, non LCD, integrated.
 
Actually, I also take back an earlier post about the DishDrawers being crap. They are great, when they work.
 
Eugene, you are correct on the suggested procedure being completely manual. There's no formal sudsaver function. The Soak option adds a two-hr soak after the main wash agitation, which allows time for the user to get to the machine before the water drains. Water conservation is at a much more crisis level in NZ and Aus than in the U.S. so I suppose it isn't unreasonable for people there to do this, running one's automatic in a sort of twin-tub fashion. The deep rinse water can be reused for washing the next load (cold) by selecting the drip-dry option which pauses after rinse agitation, remove the clothes, reset for another wash cycle. Then when it's done, put the first load back in for a spin, if you haven't already hung them for drip-drying.

I used the shower-rinse option (AAA qualified, there's another selection for AAAA-level) on a load of towels/mixed cottons yesterday. Used Wisk HE (1-1/3 capsful), which has a fairly strong scent. It ran three shower/saturation-spin rinses, and there was very little detergent scent remaining. I suppose a better test would be with Foca, Roma, or Ariel.
 
I tried a manual shower/saturation rinse on my TL Frigidaire today with a medium-sized load of bath towels and it really seemed to work well. Since the tub spins for the first minute of the rinse fill, it totally saturates the clothes. Then I spun them and repeated the process twice. I'll have to figure out how much water I'm using on each shower rinse and compare it to a deep rinse.

What's the protocol for rinsing to get the AAAA rating, Glenn?

Thanks for all your patience in answering these questions. There is an F&P dealer within 35 miles of me and I'm really getting tempted...They're such a technologically advanced TL'er. And you can still get one with a traditional agitator. I'm not ready for an impeller machine.
 
Haven't yet tried the AAAA rinsing. Next opportunity ... have load of jeans coming soon. Can't use softener with shower rinsing, but could run a follow-up deep rinse for that.

Seems like the AAA choice is different on the IWL12 than shower rinse on the GWL08. 08 I recall the pump continued running during the showering, at least some of the time. 12 it shuts off except during the drain/spin sequences.
 
DADoeS, I changed my opinion on the DishDrawers becuse they are great when they work. The guy who said he saw that thing on The Today Show kind of biassed me.
 
You are right when you say

The F and P Dish D are good when they work. I had one for a while and got rid of it after about three months. The concept is nice, and very outside the box.I put the Ghetto Phabulous Hotpoint back in my kitchen, and have had no issues with it at all. I do not use it that much, the Fisher and Paykel had problems from the get go. I got a refund from my store thank you Basco, they have told me they get alot of them back, and really do not push them at all. i was told not to rinse my dishes, to no avail, it did not do a good job at all. i had the leaking thing, and the computer problem thing with in the first month. I only wash dishes about three times a week, and that is a full load of them. That is why i thought that it would be good to have one of these. I think that i am inclined to stick with my KitchenAid, and well the cheap Hotpoint. The cheap diswasher even did better than the F and P, and for a great price, it came with my house. i woudl stay away from their producs. As far as the full size dishwasher in the US, they do not sell one here, just the Dish Drawers. Congrads on the Miele. I love their appliances. Before I move into my new house, I am remodeling the kitchen with all of their appliances, including the new fridge that is coming out very shortly. :)
 
Fisher & Paykel clothes washers

I have a set of Eco Smart F&P washer and dryer. They are a year old. No problems at all. The washer decides how much water to put in and how strong an agitator stroke to use. I have not disagreed with its decision at all. But for those who want to, it can be used like a regular washer where you decide how much and how strong.

The top load dryer is the best dryer I've ever had. When it stops, the clothes are dry. I've NEVER had to re-run a load or hang up certain items that did not get dry.

All in all, I am very impressed with my F&P products.

I have never used a dish drawer, but have a friend who was given one. It never worked and could never be repaired after several months of trying. F&P replaced the dish drawer free of charge. The new one works fine.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Jerry Gay
 
I am putting...

...an F&P single dishdrawer in the juice bar in the new kitchen. I've had these machines before and they REALLY ARE the worst on the market for washability AND dependability. HOWEVER, the new Kenmore drawer is NOT available with a front that will accept a custom panel to be fully integrated, so I had no choice. I hope that the machine can at least wash glasses....but honestly, I doubt it. Mark
 
You do have a choice .. of getting some other brand of traditional front-opening dishwasher that takes a custom panel! Requires more space, but wouldn't having clean glasses be worth that trade-off?

Or, KitchenAid claims they're changing to a non-F&P drawer design ... but no date of release announced ... or info on custom-panel capability or whether there'll be singles or only doubles.
 
Hi Glenn!

The new Kenmore Elite and the ''new'' KitchenAid drawer is the Maytag drawer design. When my kitchen was designed back in 2003 (yes, 2003! and it STILL isn't here) I just wanted a small dishwasher to wash glasses and such in, so as not to have glassware, coffe maker parts, etc... all over the kitchen. When the KA F&P design arrived it arrived without the medalion. Had to wait 5 weeks for it as KitchenAid is already dropping the F&P and will introduce the new drawer shortly. I'm sure the new KA drawer will have the ability to accept the custom panels but I can't wait any longer for it as the new kitchen is supposed to be installed starting on Monday.....but I'm nopt holding my breath. The dishdrawers in the movie theater, billiards room, and wine cellar will be of the new design since those cabinets are not built yet. Mark
 
Eugene, I ran that load of jeans this afternoon, with rinsing set at the "Eco AAAA" option. It does eight sprays total.

RINSE 1 PHASE --
300 RPM, 15-second spray
670 RPM spin-off
300 RPM, one 8-second spray & three 6-second sprays, spaced 20 seconds apart
670 RPM spin-off
coast to a stop, unlock/relock lid

RINSE 2 PHASE --
300 RPM, 15-second spray
670 RPM spin-off
300 RPM, two-7 second sprays, spaced 20 seconds apart
670 RPM spin-off
coast to a stop, unlock/relock lid

FINAL SPIN PHASE --
Interestingly, dunno why, maximum speed apparently is restricted to 670 RPM instead of 1010 RPM. I ran the final spin phase a 2nd time with ECO AAAA selected, and again 670 RPM max.

The Eco-AAA runs three sprays total, but they're much longer and at a slower 23 RPM, more of a saturation-spray than a spin-spray. I'd have to run another load to note the exact sequence.
 
Thanks, Glenn; that's very interesting. I'm also surprised they don't slow the spin down to 23 rpm as with the Eco-AAA rinse. It would certainly saturate the clothing better. And no 1010 spin speed on that, either?

I could see the AAAA rinse working well with smallish loads. I've taken to doing AAA-type rinses on small loads with the Frigi TL'er. It works!
 
Eco-AAA does run 1010 RPM final spin far as I recall. Ran load of sheets with it this afternoon, but was occupied elsewhere, didn't catch the details. :-( Will try again next opportunity. Be interesting to see if either Eco-rinse option is allowed, and to what effect, with Creasables, which normally does two deep rinses and cuts the final spin to 300 RPM.
 
Was in Lowe's today and saw an AquaSmart for the first time. One question, where is the bleach dispenser?
 
There is no bleach dispenser. When you choose the whites cycle, you must choose the bleach option from the options menu. After 9 minutes, the washer pauses, unlocks the lid, and beeps at you to add the bleach. You must open the lid, pour diluted bleach into the detergent dispenser, close the lid and press start. And DADoeS, could you post vids of your IWL12 at Youtube or somthing? I wnt to see just how it senses the fabric type.
 
As technologically advanced as F&P washers are, I think the lack of a bleach dispenser is their way of telling the consumer not to use bleach.

Glenn--TWO deep rinses for the perm/press cycle? Yeow. Is there a cool-down on top of that? That's a lot of water for one cycle.

I have to admit I had little interest in F&P washers til I saw one at a friend's in Alexandria a few weeks ago. Didn't get to play with it much, but they are definitely high-tech machines.

They're the polar opposite of my ultra low-tech FrigiLux toploader.
 
Do you mean like the same way they are telling customers not to use fabric softener?

Quote from the instruction manual from the AquaSmart manual:

"Scrud
Scrud is the name of the waxy build-up that can occur within any washer when fabric softener
comes into contact with detergent. This build-up is not brought about by a fault in the washer. If
scrud is allowed to build-up in the washer it can result in stains on the clothes or an unpleasant
smell in your washer.
If you wish to use fabric softener we recommend:
Use it sparingly.
Measure it carefully to ensure you do not fill above the MAX level.
Clean the dispenser as soon as the cycle has finished.
Clean your washer regularly using the CLEAN ME cycle (see pages 32 and 37).
Cold water washing increases the chance of this build-up occurring. We recommend a warm or
hot wash at regular intervals eg every 5th wash."

Note the first tip:"Use it sparingly."
 
Eugene, the first rinse is a cool down, no spin before it. However, with the EcoActive system typically resulting in a cool deep wash (although that isn't exactly *cold*), I have to question the need for a cool down at all, LOL.
 

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