FL washer spin speeds - How high and for how long??

[washoholic]

The LG TROMM Steam Washer WM2688HNM when set to “Extra High” spin speed, spins for 14 minutes in the Sanitary, Cotton/Normal, Speed Wash, and spin only Cycles @ 1320 RPM maximum, but only 8 minutes is at maximum RPM.

The first minute is drain with a spray to clear the pump at the end of the drain. The drain and spray are omitted if the washer is started without water (14 min. remaining).
The next 3 minutes are balancing and ramping up (13 min. remaining).
The next 8 minutes it spins @ max. 1320 RPM (10 min. remaining).
The next to the last minute the washer is coasting to a stop (2 min. remaining).
And the last minute it tumbles and pauses to “fluff” the load (1 min. remaining).

~Jeff

 

[MrX]

In Europe there used to be similar 'split phase' systems to those found in the USA in some areas. They were 3-wire supplies that delivered 127V from Live to Neutral and 220V from Live to Live. The frequency was always 50Hz (preferred in Europe as it's more metric i.e. it's 100 oscillations per second, but 50 full cycles per second).

However, it was quickly realised that having two distinct voltages in a home was excessively complex, often quite impractical and a waste of copper wiring. It also meant having two different types of appliances on sale with different voltage ratings.

The safety of 127V systems is also not particularly greater than 220V systems, both can quite easily deliver a lethal shock in the right circumstances. Also, in modern systems RCD (GFCI) protection is compulsory so, it's really no longer such a big concern.

220V also meant that more power hungry appliances were possible. There was always a demand for portable space heaters and also more powerful heating kitchen appliances e.g. 3KW kettles.

So, 127V was abandoned and 220V 50Hz became the de facto standard across the entire European area, except the UK, Cyprus and Malta which settled on 240V 50Hz for some reason. Any remaining old systems were converted to provide only 220V using outlets with two lives. However, power companies would remove these as homes were rewired as there is a general preference for TN-C grounding with neutral referenced to ground. So, there are VERY VERY few of these installations left in service.

Then in the 1990s to remove that particular quirk they re-standardised on 230V 50Hz. Although, most appliances had always been rated 220V-240V 50Hz anyway. This means that ALL of Europe is now harmonised in terms of voltage and always has been in terms of frequency.

With regard to plugs over here, they're usually CEE 7/7 (aka Schuko) which uses a 16 amp recessed outlet, 2 round pins and a scraping side earth. The recessed nature of the outlet means that it's impossible to touch the live pins while inserting the plug. These plugs are used in ALL European countries, with the only exceptions being : the UK, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus which use a 13amp plug with rectangular pins, Switzerland which uses an odd 10 amp plug. There are no plans to change these.

However, in Italy and Denmark where plugs that are 'semi-compatible' with CEE 7/7 i.e. they had a common ancestor are still in use. These systems will accept non-grounded CEE 7 type plugs but, do not connect the ground on normal European plugs. As a result they're being phased out of use. In Italy modern outlets can accept both the Italian and CEE 7/7 system without any safety comprimise while in Denmark they're rolling out a version of CEE 7/7.

So, overall, things are actually very standardised, once you exclude "the awkward countries" i.e. those islands which also insist on driving on the wrong side of the road and in some instances (the UK) using weird obsolete measures for speed and distance hehe..

Anyway, to cut a long story short - you can easily draw up to 3000W from a European outlet (more on the continent) so, internal heaters in washing machines were always possible.

I still don't quite understand why the USA stuck to 110V so rigidly. It's really not the most practical approach to house wiring if you want to use appliances that have any kind of decent power.

 

[favorit]

...enjoy this thread more and more

@ MrX - you're right, as safety voltage is 50 V .. and yet one can get a nice perm 4 his/her hair

@passatdoc
- convection fans -Maybe is it because your ovens are gaz-heated ? Here in EU most of ovens work by electricity, adding a fan isn't so an issue. Gaz ovens still survive in freestanding ranges. Built in gaz ovens with convection fan are rare, matching gaz and airflows can be an issue. Once there was a Bosch model like that.
So you haven't even radarranges with hot forced air...
Here there some MW + convection fans ovens, countertops or built into kitchen cabinet. They are quite common .... Whirlpool make them even for IKEA

Duets- the 10 kg euroduets have a 2050 W heater (same as standard 5 kg EU machines) and can manage a boilwash starting from a cold fill. So I guess that US duets with a 1000 W @ 110V heater starting from a 140°C fill could manage a 190°F wash

 

[passatdoc]

When I bought my gas convection range (free standing) in 2001, the only US manufacturers in the mainstream (non-professional or luxury market like Viking, Wolf), mass-manufactured market were KitchenAid, JennAir, GE, and Frigidaire. Now, virtually all of the middle-of-the road brands offer gas convection (not in built in ovens, but in slide-in and free standing gas ranges), as do all of the luxury or prestige brands. A few basic brands like Hotpoint or Roper don't offer gas convection, but you can find it on Bosch, GE, Frigidaire, Amana, Maytag, KitchenAid, JennAir. Far more than the four choices I had in 2001. Not sure about Whirlpool. Luxury brands like DCS, Wolf, Dacor, Thermador, Viking, etc. just about always offer convection.

Maytag now makes a free standing range with two ovens: the space formerly occupied by the storage drawer or warming drawer is now a second, smaller oven, and in some cases it is located above the main oven. Frigidaire sells a version of this as well though the auxiliary oven is located below the main oven (where the storage drawer used to be). I believe Amana may have it as well.

The Maytag version is called Gemini and comes in both gas and electric, and with or without convection. It isn't the most attractive range, with knobs all on the right side, giving an asymmetric design, but having two ovens in only 30 inches/75 cm lateral space is a pretty nice trick.

 

[passatdoc]

Maytag Gemini range with lower gas convection oven.

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www.maytag.com

 

[favorit]

Gemini range

Nice design ! they really got rid off that useless storage drawer. Also knob are in a nice place, no more on the backsplash scalding place.

Here in EU once there was Arthur Martin, a french company who made nice gas appliances, even gas heated HA toploader. My parents had a very nice gas range. Sadly now it is only the brand Electrolux uses for rebadging Zanussi appliances on the French market. You can see some vintage gas heated top loaders on lamachinealaver.com

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[launderess]

There Is Only One Gas Range

And this is it!

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www.frenchranges.com

 

[revvinkevin]

Hmmmm.............

We seem to have DRIFTED away from the original subject just a teensy bit........

 

[cleanteamofny]

it's OK to Drift

Some to the right, some to the left and others are out of this world!
Look at me, Space Cadet 101.......

Billy, did you eat your Mummy today?

 

[cleanteamofny]

it's OK to Drift

Some to the right, some to the left and others are out of this world!
Look at me, Space Cadet 101.......

Billy, did you eat your Mummy today?

 

[favorit]

revvinkevin

sorry, we' ve spun..off !!
I' m the worst one ... as i read something interesting, can't help making OT questions
So we move with our ranges in the linked thread.

Back to your FRIGIPAIR. I'm afraid you won't find anymore E'lux made appliances that last so long as your pair.

In the 70s swedish Electrolux was comparable to miele.
In the last ten years Electrolux brands lost a lot of quality.
AEG 'll be (is ??) the next victim

Only SpeedQueen and Miele seem to keep on making "tanks"

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www.automaticwasher.org

 

[dnastrau]

Maytag Epic 9700: 1200 RPM spin

Just to add to the other models listed in this thread:

Our 2007 model year Maytag Epic 9700 (a Duet under the skin) spins at 1200 RPM on the highest setting. The lower line 9600 model only spun up to 1000 RPM. I felt it was worth the extra $100 for the 9700 model just for this feature alone.

Andrew S.

 

[revvinkevin]

A 2000 RPM spin speed!!!!

I stumbled across this video when watching other videos on YouTube. apparently it's Swedish and the website says, it does in fact have a 2000 RPM final spin speed option. 



It's just astonishing to hear!!! 



The Video is nearly 11 minutes, so for those who might get bored waiting for the next thing to happen, here are the key time points:



0:00 - load balancing and quick short burst spin 

1:05 - starts to spin 

3:10 - ramps up speed 

6:42 - ramps up speed again 

8:07 - ramps up speed AGAIN!! 

9:38 - coasting down, the ride is over. 


ENJOY!!

 

[revvinkevin]

Oops! Helps if I add the link!

Doh!

 

[favorit]

Yes, it's ASKO

W6903 .... 2000 rpm , available in the US too

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www.askousa.com

 

[timon90]

My Asko 20003 is spinning at 1600rpm for 8minutes Thats LONG!