Anyone have one of these or know anything about their performance?
Frigidaire Orbit Clean Dishwasher
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There is a new ad for them I have seen on the Hallmark Channel, the one with the Golden Girls reruns, this weekend. It starts with Frigidaire offering the first home freezer, then the first pulsator automatic washer in 1947 and then the Food Preserver refrigerator like John has in his basement with the electric door opener, except they don't mention that. They just show getting ice cubes out of the bottom freezer. The modern product they show is this new dishwasher. The brand's reputation with its dishwashers has not been anything to write home about. It is probably one of those machines that washes each rack separately.
The European Electrolux version:
FD Orbit DW's
If it works like most other FD DW's I've seen it won't be worth a damn. You would be better off with a WP/KA DW.
WK78
If it works like most other FD DW's I've seen it won't be worth a damn. You would be better off with a WP/KA DW.
WK78
WK78 is right....this is just a gimmick of junk.....to think your getting something special, a regular washarm will do the same thing.....
I had years ago, a GE with the SmartWash little whirlybird washarms, worked great for the first year, then the got stuck and would not revolve, GE's recall recomendation, at your expense, was a replacement regular washarm found in their BOL units.....all just a total waste....
I too would stick with a Kenmore.....prefer the UltraWash if possible!
this video is cool......you can see a live one in action at Sears....I have seen plastic lawn sprinklers with better force...
heres Frigidaire's video
I had years ago, a GE with the SmartWash little whirlybird washarms, worked great for the first year, then the got stuck and would not revolve, GE's recall recomendation, at your expense, was a replacement regular washarm found in their BOL units.....all just a total waste....
I too would stick with a Kenmore.....prefer the UltraWash if possible!
this video is cool......you can see a live one in action at Sears....I have seen plastic lawn sprinklers with better force...
heres Frigidaire's video
They have two different types of these dishwasher's.They have ones that have a round spray arm and then they have ones that
have a small rectangle one on the end of the arm.I have always been fascinated by these types of dishwasher's from Frigidare.
My Mamaw had a 1970s version that would take the paint off of something it washed so hard and heated the water soooo hot.
I am getting me a cheap Frigidaire dishwasher and add two extra pumps to it I have got.I have two G.E. dishwasher pump's
and I have a Asko pump and two drawer dishwasher grinder drain pumps.I have already designed one of the pumps using
a old K-aid dishwasher disposer from a Kud-22.The dishwasher will pump huge amounts of water to the top where it will
spray down into that wash arm and I am using a tower from a old Maytag or Frigidaire depending on which works better.
I bought a in line water heater and will connect it to the hot and cold water lines to make sure I can get enough water in it.I want
it to be loud and also be able to grind anything.I don't understand why my 1983 G.E. Pot smasher with that metal wash arm and
tower wash can out wash other dishwasher's that have arms under each and do it all in about 80mins.When it takes over 3 hours
now in a dishwasher...
have a small rectangle one on the end of the arm.I have always been fascinated by these types of dishwasher's from Frigidare.
My Mamaw had a 1970s version that would take the paint off of something it washed so hard and heated the water soooo hot.
I am getting me a cheap Frigidaire dishwasher and add two extra pumps to it I have got.I have two G.E. dishwasher pump's
and I have a Asko pump and two drawer dishwasher grinder drain pumps.I have already designed one of the pumps using
a old K-aid dishwasher disposer from a Kud-22.The dishwasher will pump huge amounts of water to the top where it will
spray down into that wash arm and I am using a tower from a old Maytag or Frigidaire depending on which works better.
I bought a in line water heater and will connect it to the hot and cold water lines to make sure I can get enough water in it.I want
it to be loud and also be able to grind anything.I don't understand why my 1983 G.E. Pot smasher with that metal wash arm and
tower wash can out wash other dishwasher's that have arms under each and do it all in about 80mins.When it takes over 3 hours
now in a dishwasher...
laundromat
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FRIGI-SCARE!
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rinso
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Wes, you are right about the '83 Potscrubber. I also bought a 2400 with the electronic control panel later on when I moved. I have yet to own a dishwasher that performs as well as those two as those two did.
Oooh!
Oooh, it's the Frigidaire Frisbee-wash!
I saw one of these at Sears. I was surprised that Electrolux keeps marching on with that same system that our Frigidaire dishwasher has, with the wash-bottom/wash-top design. I noticed that the wash system appeared different in the Icon series (at least, superficially), and wondered if that would percolate down to the Frigidaire line. It appears that it hasn't, at least, not yet.
The self-cleaning filter works well, save for the glass trap insert that is forever trapping food particles between it and the sump body. I've gotten in the habit of scrubbing it clean every couple of loads.
The wash system seems satisfactory if unexciting. The wash arm is markedly shorter end-to-end than in our traditional-arm unit, but I suppose the idea is that the orbit disc does all the washing, and the linear portion of the arm is just there with a jet to propel it around. Reminds me of the old metal GE arms in the 70s with several staggered large holes on one side of the arm, and just one angled hole on the other.
Neither the old nor the new unit throws the water higher than the bottom of the top rack, so it relies on time to make up for pressure. I find that, with Cascade Platinum or any other really good detergent, the results are just fine, although you won't be reaching them in less than 80 minutes.
Poor detergent will produce an astonishingly lousy result, whereas the older machines that washed with force could compensate for that to a degree.
I agree that the twirligig designs have always met a bitter end when the twirlie fails to rotate properly, as evidenced by the Profile dishwashers and their short-lived twin small-arm design, which Yogi mentioned. The first time that orbit disc jams, the force needed to propel the arm won't be offset properly (notice in the video how the eccentric force of the water from the disc offsets the forward force of the propulsion jet just-so, such that the arm spends an increment washing each zone before advancing?), and you'll end up with some seriously skeezy dishes.
Oooh, it's the Frigidaire Frisbee-wash!
I saw one of these at Sears. I was surprised that Electrolux keeps marching on with that same system that our Frigidaire dishwasher has, with the wash-bottom/wash-top design. I noticed that the wash system appeared different in the Icon series (at least, superficially), and wondered if that would percolate down to the Frigidaire line. It appears that it hasn't, at least, not yet.
The self-cleaning filter works well, save for the glass trap insert that is forever trapping food particles between it and the sump body. I've gotten in the habit of scrubbing it clean every couple of loads.
The wash system seems satisfactory if unexciting. The wash arm is markedly shorter end-to-end than in our traditional-arm unit, but I suppose the idea is that the orbit disc does all the washing, and the linear portion of the arm is just there with a jet to propel it around. Reminds me of the old metal GE arms in the 70s with several staggered large holes on one side of the arm, and just one angled hole on the other.
Neither the old nor the new unit throws the water higher than the bottom of the top rack, so it relies on time to make up for pressure. I find that, with Cascade Platinum or any other really good detergent, the results are just fine, although you won't be reaching them in less than 80 minutes.
Poor detergent will produce an astonishingly lousy result, whereas the older machines that washed with force could compensate for that to a degree.
I agree that the twirligig designs have always met a bitter end when the twirlie fails to rotate properly, as evidenced by the Profile dishwashers and their short-lived twin small-arm design, which Yogi mentioned. The first time that orbit disc jams, the force needed to propel the arm won't be offset properly (notice in the video how the eccentric force of the water from the disc offsets the forward force of the propulsion jet just-so, such that the arm spends an increment washing each zone before advancing?), and you'll end up with some seriously skeezy dishes.
I don't understand why my 1983 G.E. Pot smasher with that metal wash arm and
<p>tower wash can out wash other dishwasher's that have arms under each and do it all in about 80mins.When it takes over 3 hours
now in a dishwasher...
Volume and pressure. A beautiful thing of the past that probably won't ever return.
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Neither the old nor the new unit throws the water higher th
Seems like the US dishwashers are heaving weaker pumps than the Euro ones. I'd be p!ssed if my Bosch would behave like that.
Seems like the US dishwashers are heaving weaker pumps than the Euro ones. I'd be p!ssed if my Bosch would behave like that.
Modern DW pumps.
Nothing more than glorified squirt guns. There is a reason why they take 3 hours to do a bad job.
WK78
Nothing more than glorified squirt guns. There is a reason why they take 3 hours to do a bad job.
WK78
Watched the Electrolux video, sad, really sad. Looks like the machine was doing little more than "peeing" on the dishes. I want heat, and pressure to wash my dishes in an hour, not 3. My GE will do that, it's 5 or 6 years old and cleans like I want and expect -fast and thoroughly.
3Hr dishwasher cycles?Thanks--I'll wash the dishes by HAND!The videos just show whats no more than a GARDEN SPRINKLER in a box!Pathetic machine-utterly useless.Trash truck and dump bait already!People will throw these out when they tire of the 3 hr cycles and sprinkler action.And how much does this sprinkle wash machine cost?Instead of this machine--just put your dishes out on the lawn or porch and hose them with your hose!
lotsosudz
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Pathetic
I think after watching the video, I have determined that my piss stream is stronger than than Orbit Clean wash arm! My old late 80's GE DW with the impellers on both ends of the wash arm, does a beautiful job while the other spray arms are operating at the same time. It is very sad indeed to see the remaining Frigidare traits and qualities, go down the toilet! Just Sayin!
Hugs,
David
I think after watching the video, I have determined that my piss stream is stronger than than Orbit Clean wash arm! My old late 80's GE DW with the impellers on both ends of the wash arm, does a beautiful job while the other spray arms are operating at the same time. It is very sad indeed to see the remaining Frigidare traits and qualities, go down the toilet! Just Sayin!
Hugs,
David
rpms
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The third level wash really is pitiful. I don't see it washing a corn kernel back down to the bottom.
Is the spray from the sprinkler that makes the wash arm turn? It seems to struggle quite a bit just to make one revolution. If you had really hard water and the cogs got crusty, would the lower wash arm turn it all?
You would hate to see a plastic bowl flip over and fill with wash water.
The orange pulls on the racks are nice.
Is the spray from the sprinkler that makes the wash arm turn? It seems to struggle quite a bit just to make one revolution. If you had really hard water and the cogs got crusty, would the lower wash arm turn it all?
You would hate to see a plastic bowl flip over and fill with wash water.
The orange pulls on the racks are nice.
Not so bad
It's no vintage machine, but nothing is nowadays. Ours is pretty good at what it does; my main gripe is the cycle time, but again, that's typical.
Note that the Frigidaire unit has a top constant rinse, which appears to do a better job than the static "fountain" that the Electrolux has. Ours has the fountain, really just a set of holes in the top feed. It's nothing to write home about, I promise, and concave tops of glassware are forever full of sand.
The main irritation with this design is the top wash-arm. The holes point outward at a diagonal--all of them, minus the two that point downward from the tips and help wash the silverware basket. Frigidaire's logic, I suppose, is that you place the items to intercept the water stream and hope it'll bounce up and around, but it's flawed logic at best. You get some strange results, such as if you put a glass anywhere but the outboard rows; the water misses it entirely, and it ends up full of trash. This defies standard human dishwashing logic, which assumes that "if it's pointed down and in an unobstructed location, chances are it will receive water."
If they would put the upward-pointing-jet wash arm from the Electrolux on the Frigidaire, it'd be better. The AquaSurge Pro I had several years ago was one of the worst-washing dishwashers in the top rack ever. I've gotten better results from a single-arm KitchenAid with a top rack full of tumblers and a bottom rack full of mixing bowls.
It's no vintage machine, but nothing is nowadays. Ours is pretty good at what it does; my main gripe is the cycle time, but again, that's typical.
Note that the Frigidaire unit has a top constant rinse, which appears to do a better job than the static "fountain" that the Electrolux has. Ours has the fountain, really just a set of holes in the top feed. It's nothing to write home about, I promise, and concave tops of glassware are forever full of sand.
The main irritation with this design is the top wash-arm. The holes point outward at a diagonal--all of them, minus the two that point downward from the tips and help wash the silverware basket. Frigidaire's logic, I suppose, is that you place the items to intercept the water stream and hope it'll bounce up and around, but it's flawed logic at best. You get some strange results, such as if you put a glass anywhere but the outboard rows; the water misses it entirely, and it ends up full of trash. This defies standard human dishwashing logic, which assumes that "if it's pointed down and in an unobstructed location, chances are it will receive water."
If they would put the upward-pointing-jet wash arm from the Electrolux on the Frigidaire, it'd be better. The AquaSurge Pro I had several years ago was one of the worst-washing dishwashers in the top rack ever. I've gotten better results from a single-arm KitchenAid with a top rack full of tumblers and a bottom rack full of mixing bowls.
3'rd level wash
The only one I have ever seen (outside of commercial DW's that blast tons of water from above and below) was the MT Intelliclean. The full size wash arm in my MDB-9100 washed all the crap off of the top rack dishes that could not be reached by the Power Tower and forced it down into the 3 stage filtration and hard food disposal system. I tested it's strength by putting side plates with dried on egg facing up and they were washed clean.
WK78
The only one I have ever seen (outside of commercial DW's that blast tons of water from above and below) was the MT Intelliclean. The full size wash arm in my MDB-9100 washed all the crap off of the top rack dishes that could not be reached by the Power Tower and forced it down into the 3 stage filtration and hard food disposal system. I tested it's strength by putting side plates with dried on egg facing up and they were washed clean.
WK78
Constant Rinse
Whilst our dishwasher does not have one, the strong water movement and drawer lid acts as a deflector and manages to rinse everything down. Glasses don't ever come out with garbage on them, unless something really dirty was upon them and thus the top spray wouldn't reach them
Whilst our dishwasher does not have one, the strong water movement and drawer lid acts as a deflector and manages to rinse everything down. Glasses don't ever come out with garbage on them, unless something really dirty was upon them and thus the top spray wouldn't reach them
