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High Spin Speeds

660 for the 1-18, 850 for the early Multimatics, 710 for the later Multimatics and middle/lower-end Rollermatics, and 1010 for the "Rapidry 1000" high-end Rollermatics.
 
assuming the rollermatic made it all the way to the spin

I don't want to be catty, here - but the odds of a rollermatic actually making it all the way to 1000 r.p.m. without breaking...again...hmmm
The nylon rollers were a good idea, but the production tolerances just weren't high enough for the load they needed to bear.
I am not an engineer, but the forces at play when you have over 100lbs spinning at such speeds...and they worry about us cutting ourselves on DVDs if they don't spin down. It is incredible what these designers and engineers were doing in the middle of the last century - and the current US firms should be ashamed to even use the same trade marks much less brand names.
 
In defense of the Rollermatic, a design that was made in modified forms for 15 years and in R&D for 5+ years before release, I've seen many of these machines and almost never have I seen a roller that needed replacing. Usually a good cleaning has been all that was required to bring them back to performance level. There were weak spots in the design for sure - as with any machine - the clutch and agitate arm spring quickly to mind but some of that is to be expected after 20-30 years of use as we're finding them now.
 
Actually Keven, the Rollermatic's rollers are built very well and are more than capable of withstanding those speeds. You have to see and feel the mechanism in person to understand fully how it works, whether it be a solid-tub Rapidry or a 1-18 (which is basically a slightly modified, belt-driven Rollermatic). They look much more complicated in pictures/diagrams, trust me.

The weak spots were like Greg said, the agitate arm, shaft, and wheel, and the spin clutch linings. Personally I think the Rollermatic/1-18 spin clutch is way too small (think coke-can) to spin-drain as well as get the tub up to speed, especially if it is a heavy solid tub! In the short time I've been on here, I've heard of quite a few 1-18s and Rollermatics that spin very slowly or don't even spin at all. Definitely the Achilles' heel of the machine. Never say never, but my 1978 1-18, which has had 27 years of use, still has a very strong spin clutch. I guess it all depends on the machine...

Now the agitate arm/shaft/wheel on the other hand; those are just plain FLIMSY! If a 1-18 is excessively loud on agitation (like mine is), then that's the culprit. They seem to get louder over time, and usually the quiet ones have had extremely low use. To give you an idea of how flimsy the parts are, my agitate arm is pretty nicked up from when I had to drop it to get my impact wrench on the tub nut, and I stripped the threads out on the agitate wheel when I tightened the bolt up so I had to use some blue Loctite on it. They could definitely use a replacement in the future...

--Austin
 
speaking from liking

Gansky and Austin,
It is not that I have never seen one - but rather I spent too much time dealing with them.
I love the basic concept, used to climb up on our St. Bernard then have him sit up so I could look into my mom's - that up and down pulsation and the sound of the load spinning up to speed just fascinated me.
But that was a unimatic.
Every rollermatic I ever had anything to do with had problems. I bow to your superior knowledge that it was the clutch not the rollers...though I sure do remember cleaning them on one poor baby every few months just to get a spin at all...
Tell you what, when I am back in the 'States and you want to show me, I'll be happy to take another look. But don't then blame me if I wander over to a nearby Unimatic and get "that" look on my face -
 
I didn't realize you had worked on Rollermatics in the past; my mistake! I agree 100%...while those machines were built well by today's standards in my opinion, the Unimatics were definitely the best as quality and reliability are concerned, and the best part is that there's no clutch to deal with (LOL)!!! Steve (gyrafoam) has said to me on numerous occasions that the Unimatic is essentially an automobile transmission! My 1952 Frigidaire WO-65-2 runs circles around my other machines; there have been stains that it has no problem removing (although I do pre-treat them first), in cold water! Not to mention that great extraction ability and the "fun factor"; one minute you're watching the overflow rinse pulsation and then all of a sudden, "SNAP" and the water is spun out lightning-fast!

It's always fun though to take off the front panel and watch the inner workings of the 1-18; the Unimatic is shielded from view.

Will definitely let you know when I do another Texas wash-in so you can play with both machines!

--Austin
 
thanks - I am looking forward to it

Hey Austin,
That sounds great - I would love to take a closer look at all these mechanisms - I only know the innards of a Unimatic from pictures. For some strange reason my mom was opposed to letting my two/three year old self take her's apart.
I think it was the fact that she figured I could get it apart, the putting back together part worried her.
I don't know about the car transmission, but they sure were built to clean and clean and clean. Sort of like the engineers called the shots on them and not the marketing department.
 
Westytoploader,

That's one of the things I remember about our '58 Frigidaire machine. Our '62 GE had what felt like a 5 minute pause between wash and first spin; the Frigidaire just went right into spin without so much a beat. God I wish I had saved that machine!

The GE's pause would have made sense if it had had a static drain period like the Whirlpools but it just sat there. You could hear the timer mechanism proceed through about three different clicks and then spin would engage, NOISILY.
 
My '77 GE is the same way. Seems like it pauses forever for that first spin...it's at least a minute on this one but I haven't tried to time it. It also does a long pause before agitation on each of the rinses. During all of the pauses you hear numerous clicks, whirrs, and boings from the timer.

Those GE's certainly weren't quiet when it came to spin either, with that loud, grinding, "WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH" sound it makes while spin-draining.

After my machine has settled into full speed the noise is completely different and more like a low whine; it sounds similar to a WCI-made dryer if you can believe that...
 
Frigidaire Imperial Automatic Washer

My grandparents' Frigidaire Imperial Automatic Washer, Model: WIN, is still in use by my parents. It was manufactured in March 1967. It spins like nothing I have ever seen! A disturbingly loud noise (in the transmission?) has developed in the agitate cycle, however. My mother called a repair guy today. He didn't even want to look at it. He told her that no parts would be available and that she should just buy a new one. She loves this machine. Is there any hope?
 
Maybe

There was an auction of "vintage" Frigidare appliances and parts recently that IIRC a member won. Search through previous posts to find information. I believe the member who won was going to assist other club members with parts for their machines. I'm not sure and only the actual member can speak to this.

L.
 
Hi Folks,
Being from a family of Maytag owners, and the oddball GE and Speed Queen, I know zippo about Frididaire. I know that the "Jet Cone" washer had the up and down motion, and the old solid tub cone washers spun over 1100 rpm's. Does anyone have pics with model names and numbers? The GM Frigidaires are becomeing so rare. By the way, if your 70's GE Filter -Flo was noisy at the beginning of the spin/drain, something wasn't right. Every one that I've heard were very quiet to start, a couple clicks from the high speed clutch shoes, and a quiet, fast spin, provided the load was fairly balanced. The spin brake made a good bang, though. And yes, mine took at least a minute during the pauses.
Bobby in Boston
 

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