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I found this forum today. I have been wondering what in the world to use to make my whites - whiter. Being the mother of 4 boys, 5 if you include the hubby - I am constantly washing and there are TONS of whites. I found a product called Bluette after doing a Google search.

How do you use it in a front loader? I puchased a LG front loader set a year ago and love them. I have read that you must dilute it - how does that come in play with the front loaders - and is that, Bluette, my best option for whiter whites? Bleach doesn't seem to be doing it for me - after some time they appear yellow in some areas.

HELP!!! Thanks in advance for all advance given me...
 
I would say you need to dilute it first before putting it into any dispenser that would release something like a fabric softener into the rinse, especially if it's a thick liquid. I'm assuming that bluing is added in the rinse cycle. I have never used it but I know there is "Mrs. Something-or-other" brand out there in most grocery stores and suspect it's similar to what you're using. I remember in college the mom of one guy in the dorms used bluing, but other than that I have never known anyone who used the stuff. I think it's an old-school treatment and there are likely people on this site who can advise better than I can. If you have the owner's manual for your machine it might give you some clues on how to use additives.
 
The yellowing is due to a buildup of soil in those areas, probably in the under arm region, around collars and cuffs. Bluing is make up for laundry. By giving laundry a blue cast, it makes it look whiter, but if the clothes are not clean, bluing is not going to help. What you need is a good water conditioner to boost the cleaning action of your detergent. Buy some Tide powder HE and a water conditioner with sodium tripolyphosphate. It should say something about either containing phosphates or not containing phosphates. You want one that contains phosphates. If you cannot find a water conditioner that contains phosphates, you can go to www.chemistrystore.com and order a small container of STPP, sodium tripolyphosphate OR you can look through the machine dishwasher detergents that say they contain phosphates and buy a box. Using very hot water, wash the whites in the recommended amount of Tide HE Powder and about 1/4 to 1/3 cup of dishwasher detergent. PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT IT IS A WHITE DETERGENT AND NOT LEMON YELLOW or any other crazy color because the lemon stuff will turn the whole load yellow. I think there is an Electrasol formula called Baking Soda Fresh or something like that. Let them wash for a long time and I will assure you that you will see an improvement. You might have to give them another 2 rinses, one with vinegar and the last in clear water.

I don't know if your washer dumps the rinse water on the tumbling clothes as it fills or if it sits until filled and then starts tumbling. I would suggest that when you use the bluing, you wait for the machine to fill for the last rinse before adding. Dilute a small amount of the bluing in 2 to 3 cups of water and pour it through the detergent side of the dispenser so that it will go right into the washer while the clothes are tumbling. If you cannot open the dispenser drawer while the washer is filling, you will just have to pour it quickly and close the drawer.
 
Yellow whites

Although I am not quaified to comment greatly on this area I would suggest that you are not washing tem in hot enough ater. Chemicals should be unenesarry especially in a whites wash. Just use plenty detergent and a very hot wash for a long time period.
 
Hello... Daqueenmum

Take a look at Thread# 10239 "Laundry detergents – Regular or H.E.?? Also, suggestions to keep whites, white?"

There were some great suggestions in there for me... they may help you too.

Kevin
 
Hi there. I am originally from New York City where they sold "Bluette" in the supermarkets. Now that I live out west, it is "Mrs. Stewarts". Liquid bluing will counter the yellowing and graying action of bleach but it cannot be poured directly on the clothes.
Are you able to start your frontloader filling with some water, add the bleach and bluing, then turn machine off, and then put clothes into water with diluted bleach and bluing?
Also for whites, use HOT water for wash cycle.
Do not use bluing in rinse cycle with fabric softener.
I am on the Altar Guild at my parish and I wash and iron all the communion linens and vestments. All whites so I have alot of experience with whites.
If you have any questions, please email me at

[email protected]

Ross Roberts "westyslantfront"
 
A Few Home Truths

1 - Bluing is not meant to disguise the yellowing which occurs due to "sweat" and body oil stains, though it can some what cover as blue cancels out yellow.

2 - As one has stated previously, in the Northern parts of the world blue-white is seen as "whiter". White paper, textiles, hair, fur, etc are all either given a blue tint (which is what bluing is), or dosed with OBAs (which simply cause the material to reflect ultraviolet light in such a way things "glow" and are seen as whiter).

3 - All cotton and linen textiles have a natural yellowish cast which will become greater as the textile ages. Same as with some gray hair which begins to turn "white".

4 - Bleaching with either chlorine or oxygen bleach will not remove yellowing in textiles caused by natural aging/natural hue. White paper and textiles are routinely bleached and still must either have blue tint (bluing)or treated with a type of OBAs to make them the white consumers like.

Bleaching removes stains by removing colour, mainly by affecting organic matter. The yellowing of textiles either as a natural hue,aging or the reaction of sweat/body oils upon textiles is not purely an organic colour. While it is true strong detergents/laundering methods will remove a good bit of this yellowing, if one looks closely the yellow is still there. Consider also most detergents are loading with OBA's, using heavy doses of said detergents is probably going to go along way to disguising the yellowing.

5 - Bluing is a tint applied to textiles to counteract yellowing. Colours opposite each other on the colour wheel cancel each other out. Blue is opposite yellow. However bluing really only works well on cotton,linen and perhaps wool fibers. Nylon and other man made fibers are not really affected by bluing, hence the invention of OBAs. It is no accident that many vintage detergents and some even today along with fabric softeners are blue. These contain either some sort of bluing and or are playing on consumers using "bluing" to keep whites/colours bright.

6 - Using bluing in the wash (as with Bluette) was invented to save housewives a separate bluing step/catching the rinse. Problem is that items left too long in a bluing bath actually will take on a gray cast. Also too much/long bluing can lead to over bluing, and depending upon the type of bluing hard to remove.

Bluette can be used in either the wash or rinse cycle according to my bottle. Using bluing in a front loader is VERY tricky and if one is not careful can lead to blue stained/streaked laundry.

Personally choose to use ultramarine blue powder (Reckett's dolly blue or now Bleachette). These are easy to remove should they spot or stain, as opposed to liquid bluings (Mrs. Stewarts and Bluette), which can spot or stain. While it sometimes is possible to remove spots or stains caused by liquid bluings, it usually means a long process. With ultramarine blue one simply rewashes the item again using a bit of vinegar (acids break down ultramarine blues).

To use liquid bluings in a front loader one must first determine if liquids poured into the detergent dispenser will go into the drum or are dispensed between the drums. That is to say how the machine fills. It is best that water/laundry chemicals are dispensed between the tubs, to prevent spotting.

Add no more than 1/8 to 1/2 teaspoon of bluing into a quart of cold water. A mason or sauce jar will do nicely. The idea is to give the rinse water a slight tint, NOT dye the laundry blue. Using too much bluing will indeed lead to "blue" laundry (over bluing).

Cover the jar with it's lid and shake VERY well until all bluing is dissloved. The water should have bluish tint, but not too deep. If you see any clumps or specks of bluing in the water,they must be removed as they may spot laundry.

As the machine is filling for the final rinse, open the dispenser drawer and slowly pour the bluing/water mixture into the machine. If your washer has a glass door, as the cycle begins, examine the water inside the drum, it should have a pale sky blue tint. While one can add starch, do not add fabric softener, vinegar, or any thing else to the same rinse bath as bluing.

Allow the machine to complete the rinse and final spin, and remove the laundry. Before putting items in the dryer or haning out to dry examine each item carefully for streaking and or spoting. If you find any of these, they must be removed BEFORE the items are dried and or ironed. Many liquid bluings are almost like ink (indeed some were sold as inks), bluing stains set by heat are almost immpossible to remove.

L.
 
I have always used Bluette in the rinse and have been pleased with those results. The bottle does tell you that it can be used in the wash, but as Laundress points out,the risk is the "gray tint" if clothes are blued too long.

BTW, Laundress, did you find my email?
 
Angus,

Nope, haven't received a one. Took things in hand and sent you an email via the address in your profile.

Forgot to add, if one is using ultramarine blue, Bluette or any other of the liquid blues save Mrs.Stewarts, do NOT use vinegar in the same rinse or before. The chemical reaction between the bluing (which contains some iron), and the acidic vinegar will give off a rotten egg smell. Usually the smell is confined to the washer/rinse water, but can leave one's laundry with a "whiff" as well.

L.
 
I use a little Bluette about every third wash on the whites and dress shirts but I couldn't imagine trying to use it in a front loader.

For underarm stains on t-shirts, take a plastic pail, add 1/2 gallon of cheap white vinigar then fill the bucket 3/4 of the way with warm water. Stuff the shirts in the bucket and let them soak for 24 hours then wash in hot water as usual. Works like a charm.

Ken
 
I think you don't use bleach and bluing in the same water because bleach cancels the bluing. If liquid bluing is too hard to use in a front loader, and if La France powder bluing is still made, it can be added with the detergent.

Have you had your water tested for iron? If that is causing the discoloration, it a whole different situation.
 
Calgon~

I would like to suggest using Calgon. Calgon is a water softener which you add with your soap powder to safely remove hard water mineral deposits.Those same mineral deposits can trap dirt into fibers which can create yellowing.
I used to be a fan of LCB but have moved away from it because over time I found it did damage my white clothing

My recipe for sparking whites:
Tide Laundry powder (HE)
1/2 cup of Mule Team Borax or Biz powder booster
1 cap of liquid Calgon
Final Touch Fabric softener in the rinse.
Also, if your front loader has a sanitary cycle use it.
 
I'd take STPP over Calgon these days since the later is now mainly sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium citrate. IIRC the liquid may be sodium citrate while the powder is mainly washing soda. Calgon used to contain phosphates, but first they began removing it for product shipped to certian markets, then stopped all together.

If one can get their hands on "Smashing White" (yes, I know), it contains Stpp as well.

L.
 
Even with the Chemistry Store's prices, even the smallest container of STPP would probably work out cheaper than Smashing White. One really only needs a small amount of STPP, less than a teaspoon with front loaders, perhaps a tablespoon or two in top loaders for most loads. Of course this would vary with the type and amount of laundry products being used.

Prefer bulk phosphates to "Smashing White" in that phosphates are colourless and scent free, so won't bother other laundry/automatic dishwasher products. Yes, I add a tiny bit of STPP to my dishwasher for each cup. Does wonders in keeping smal bits off of dishware.

L
 

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