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Our beloved center timer tags were prone to trampoline on  a weak wooden floor, i remember posts from years ago were folks who had  Whirlpool or Kenmore machines were very upset when they changed over to a Maytag. No intent to hijack the thread but this is not a new phenomenon. alr2903
 
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"Is why the Plant Based Fabric Conditioners and lack of a hot fill seems a most likely scenario !!! "

But that conflicts with some of us who really about never use hot washes or fabric softeners at all. I personally have never bought a bottle of fabric softener in the last 20 years; and really bought a couple before this when I lived in California.

Here the water is so soft that I have only used fabric softener maybe once in the last decade, typically with some new sheets or some odd thing. My moms couple bottles of its still are in the laundry room from cicra 1990. With my current LG I washed once since November with hot as just an experiment, mostly I use Cold and a few times warm. I probably use a hot wash in about 1 out of 50 to 100 washes, probably a fabric conditioner once a leap year.

Here most of my washing is with liquid detergents and cold water. Fabric softener really has no purpose for me, the couple bottles here from 1990 will last me another 100 years.

That ladies FL LG is actually a variant that works better on a 2nd Floor than the lower LG models. It has a better balancing scheme. It is the same as my machine,and the same one placed in a 2nd story here locally for a friend.
 
Re "are you saying "You are getting mold" ??? "

I am saying I DO NO GET MOLD; and I use all the things folks on this website preach as the reasons, ie cold water and liquids.

Here I know folks with newer FL washers who are fabric conditioner addicts and liquids that have no mold issues; and some too that do not use fabric conditioners but use powders and have molds; thus the causes seem to be not so black and white.
 
me i use liquid detergent and when needed bleach and i never had mold or bad smells in my washer and on occasion i also use liquid fabric sofner and i mostly wash in cold water and warm water only time i use hot water is for bed sheets and to show i am posting my wash pattern here

Light colors clothe the temp i use is warm water

Dark colors clothes the temp i use is cold water

hand wash fabrics cold water wash

bleachable T-Shirts and rags hot water wash

bedsheets no bleach hot water wash

and Please note that for most canadians or us that have know top loaders most of there life are not use to front loaders and have to adjust and for us and canadian front loaders the detergent use must be he high efficency or say on the bottle made for all machines and he machines as well. ok that was my 2 cent here
 
The USA has had long sagas of folks with Front Load mold problems and smells ever since "America rediscovered the front loader in 1995"

Here is an old Aug 2008 Consumer Reports link and many comments by folks with front load mold problems.

Some comments are funny in an odd way:

Posted by: H-Stillwater | Sep 2, 2008 3:46:50 PM

"I can't in the absolute least understand what you people are complaining about! I have had my fl washer for one year now and it is absolutely the best thing ever! I love it.

I love saving electricity and water!

Update, well its 1.5 years now, and my washer works well. I have noticed the electricity and water bills have been a bit less. Yay!
I clean the gasket and leave the door open after each wash. This is just great.

Update: 4 years.

I hate this washer. The money I have spent on cleaning it, running empty wash cycles with affresh and hot water! My water and electricity bills are back where they used to be. My husband couldn't stand the smell of his shirts any more and took the machine apart. Every piece of the machine that carried water is covered in black gunk and/or mold. It stinks so bad!

I did everything I was suppose to as I loved my machine... and it reeks! It is a stinking moldy disgusting-ness piece of crap.

I have spent more than 500.00 in cleaning aids, maintenance/repair technicians, and affresh tablets.

We are throwing it out. Today I went to find a top loader at the store. This poor lady was looking at buying a FL. I told her to research it, and google "smelly front loader" before she bought.

Ha! Maybe I saved her some pain... I sure hope so. "

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/home/2008/08/mold-on-washers.html
 
thank you for the link from what i read in your post and this is just my tough i think that some us or canadian are just not ready yet for front loaders sure i have one now as a daily driver and like it but for me du to my size and having to sit down to load unload the washer is an inconviniance but i respect those that have a front load washer so i think that top load or front load the choice is personel and it also depends on the buyer 's budget as newer front loaders cost more
 
Maybe Europe's machines use more water?

I always thought that Europe's 24" frontloaders did not use much water, until I saw this video: )

 
I think the main cause of the mould in the machines is:

cold water washes + overdosed liquid detergent + overdosed fabric conditioner + not leaving the door open at the end of the cycle.

You could save yourselves an awful lot of grief by:
washing in warm to hot water + using a powder detergent + leaving the door ajar at the end.

I stopped using fabric conditioner, due to it leaving the dispenser drawer fusty smelling.
 
Age of Machine

To Rolls-rapide.
How old is that machine?
I thought Rolls went belly up in the 1960's or somewhere thereabouts?
 
front loader washers and pets

one thing i need to had is if you have a pet and wash a pet bed in a front loader be sure to check the gasket as pet hair might acumulate there and cause mould or mildew as well as get in the washer 's components i know every 2 months i washe in my duet washer my chocolate lab 's pet bed
 
3beltwesty I couldn't stop laughing after clicking on those links! In the first article there's probably some sense in what they're saying but it all gets incredibly absurd when it shows pictures of visible mould growing on very visible and wipeable parts of the porthole O-ring!

Probably I'd be inclined to support this case if the affected components were somehow hidden or impossible to be reached by the user... blimey... the rubber gasket can accidentally get wiped even by your own clean clothes while unloading the washer... how long does it take to give it a swift wipe?

The second article confirms the general misguidance of this type of speculation... and.. of course... whether it's Miele, LG, Electrolux or whatever-have-you, it will suffer the exact same symptoms as one another having been used by people with high levels of inncompetence: these are the people who should stick by washing in the river!
 
When I bought this house the '78 GE Filter-Flo top loader stank.

It smelled like old chewing tobacco.

Eventually I pulled the top panel off, and lo and behold was a thick furry brown layer of mold.

I moved the washer and replaced it with a front loader - a Neptune 7500. The Neptune has NEVER had an off odor, period. And that's after ten years of regular use.

So please spare us the "front loaders are junk" type of pissing contest.
 
Why defend poor designs?

RE "So please spare us the "front loaders are junk" type of p-ssing contest."

It is the earlier mid 1990's ? first Maytag Neptune Frontloader's that won the "contest" of folks saying their laundry room "is like an open sewer" . I heard my employee who was a neighbor too complain about this issue for many many years.

Ie one hears the "I have to hold my nose so as not to puke when walking through the laundry room" comment many hundreds of times over several years, until the old machine was replaced with a TL machine the old one scrapped and crushed. ie an American failure of a design.

One hears how they bought the Maytag based on Maytag's once great reputation of the zillion TV adverts of the "lonely Maytag repairman, where nothing every was wrong", and feel ripped off by a horrible product.

You hear about how the boot was replaced several times, wax motor issues, of how many attempts were made to fix the beast. You hear how your employee/neighbor got paid off to buy a top loader, to get rid of the foul machine. You hear about the class action lawsuits too. The "pay off" was only good for a top loader, they just punted and took back the old FL and it got crushed.

As a user of the old 1947 and later 1976 westy front loaders, it was rather interesting to hear how a new design smelled like an open sewer. It too is interesting too that poor less robust Newer designs are tolerated as being normal, and how now one has to clean ones FL washer.
 
@pierreandreply4

I had the first design Neptune and if I know now what I didn't know then I'd have kept it since now I have a better knowledge of product usage. One thing I did find with my Neptune was when it went into the first spin from the wash cycle it was very short lived, so I'm thinking it may have been the impetus for all the poor rinsing I had experienced compared to the my duet that spins for at least two minutes or possibly more before going into the first rinse.
Live and learn :)
 
Maybe US machines are gone too extreme with water saving:

Check out this European machine : (Hotpoint/Ariston Aqualtis)

Rinse levels are way higher than a US machine.

 
European Bosch Rinsing

Here's a European Bosch model rinsing :

Again: notice the water level

 
Beko rinse

Here's another European machine, a Beko doing a rinse with loads of water + a power jet!

 
Wow; here in the usa the modern mid 1990's and later FL washers trend is a rinse is really a water shower. One really see's no clothes in water. Maybe this is due to our water police.
 
i think that also the save water is not only applied in the us but it also applys to canada as well if you look at my duet washer if i wash a load in warm water on the Normal/Casual cycle before the first drain spin my washer adds cold water and if i wash the same load in cold water i save nearly 70% in water use as my duet washer skips adding cold water on the same cycle

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