Well Brent I guess both that is not to much to ask I don't think.You would be puzzled to if you laid down alot of money and it not clean well,when you have a G.E. Triton that is not much different than this one and it cleaned great.I LOVE 1984 Kitchenaid dishwasher's but where I live I don't see many used ones.I guess the fence sitting part is cause well I had a ton a friends email me and tell me to try real detergent with Phosphates in the machine because of our water here and the biggest issue for me is well losing a leg sometimes sucks cause it's a pain to install them myself and I am throwing money out the window cause I pay to have it installed if I exchange it again....