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Garbage Disposer Advice Needed
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Where is Mike Rowe when you need him? I mean to clean the sewer, not unplug my clog...
I was at Costco last night, and saw that they are carrying the American Standard version of the 1-1/4 HP Titan. This time with a 3-bolt attachment system, which some here seem to favor. A box was open so I fished out the owner's manual to confirm the mfg is "Joneca", which is the same company that "makes" the Titan and other various clones. I regard these as good disposers, at a reasonable price, and so far they seem to be long-lasting.
Menards has that 1-1/4 HP Titan on sale
at 70$ right now as a Westinghouse.
Yeah, I know - but they do have good reviews.
Just did another garbage disposal this morning for a customer.
Would have like to pick one up, but they'd already chosen a Badger 900. Which is not a bad machine, though, like all stainless steel units of that lineage - the motor attachment is still plain old steel.
at 70$ right now as a Westinghouse.
Yeah, I know - but they do have good reviews.
Just did another garbage disposal this morning for a customer.
Would have like to pick one up, but they'd already chosen a Badger 900. Which is not a bad machine, though, like all stainless steel units of that lineage - the motor attachment is still plain old steel.
Regarding stainless vs plain steel and flushing...
The Achilles heel of most stainless steel is chlorine, either as the element or as part of a salt. The element, found in chlorine bleach, is quite corrosive to stainless - there are numerous tales of home brewers disinfecting their stainless equipment with chlorine bleach solution, but failing to rinse it completely out. What happens is that droplets of bleach solution left inside the vessels can slowly dry out, increasing the chlorine concentration to the point where it causes pinhole corrosion in the vessels, leading to pinholes, which means they can no longer be used to hold liquids esp not under pressure.
The main element in stainless steel that gives it corrosion resistance is chromium. Upon exposure to air, it creates a very thin layer of chromium oxide, which prevents the iron in the metal from combining with oxygen and rusting. However, salt water or chlorine bleach can attack the chromium oxide, resulting in corrosion of the metal underneath it. Very cheap stainless has only chromium for corrosion resistance, and that cheap stainless will fairly quickly corrode (rust) if left in contact with salt water for a prolonged time. More expensive stainless has nickel in addition to the chromium, and the nickle acts to protect the chromium as well as provide its own corrosion resistance. In terms of corrosion resistance, from lousy to pretty good, you go from 18-0 (18% chromium, 0% nickel), to 18-8, 18-10, then up to 18-12. 18-10 is what I usually look for in flatware and such. The usual alloy is #304. A few percent of molybdenum also helps to protect the chromium oxide layer, and according to the sources I've seen, that's generally called 316 grade and may be preferred for marine environments. Above that, you start to get into the high nickel alloys like Inconel, Monel, which are very corrosion and heat resistant, but as you might imagine, much more expensive than the usual consumer grades. Very high nickel alloys are used in such things as jet engine turbine blades and afterburners, because they are so heat resistant. They are also very difficult to machine, but that's another story. And as you might imagine, there are a lot of different alloys produced by tweaking the percent and type of alloying elements added.
The reason why I bring this all up is from Panthera's recommendation to flush the drain thoroughly after using a disposer. I would imagine, based on the above, while it's important for normal food scraps, it's even more important if one cleans a sink with a chlorine containing bleach. You don't want droplets of a bleach solution drying out on stainless (or regular steel, for that matter), becoming more and more concentrated as they dry, and causing pinhole leaks/fractures/mayhem.
Many years ago when I didn't know better, I bought a set of flatware that turned out to be 18-0 stainless. It worked fine as long as I kept it clean and dry. But I got a taste of how vulnerable it can be, when I lost a spoon in the garden. I found it a few weeks later, and it looked quite corroded and rusted. I was a bit surprised. After that I got some 18-8 flatware and have kept better track of its whereabouts
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The Achilles heel of most stainless steel is chlorine, either as the element or as part of a salt. The element, found in chlorine bleach, is quite corrosive to stainless - there are numerous tales of home brewers disinfecting their stainless equipment with chlorine bleach solution, but failing to rinse it completely out. What happens is that droplets of bleach solution left inside the vessels can slowly dry out, increasing the chlorine concentration to the point where it causes pinhole corrosion in the vessels, leading to pinholes, which means they can no longer be used to hold liquids esp not under pressure.
The main element in stainless steel that gives it corrosion resistance is chromium. Upon exposure to air, it creates a very thin layer of chromium oxide, which prevents the iron in the metal from combining with oxygen and rusting. However, salt water or chlorine bleach can attack the chromium oxide, resulting in corrosion of the metal underneath it. Very cheap stainless has only chromium for corrosion resistance, and that cheap stainless will fairly quickly corrode (rust) if left in contact with salt water for a prolonged time. More expensive stainless has nickel in addition to the chromium, and the nickle acts to protect the chromium as well as provide its own corrosion resistance. In terms of corrosion resistance, from lousy to pretty good, you go from 18-0 (18% chromium, 0% nickel), to 18-8, 18-10, then up to 18-12. 18-10 is what I usually look for in flatware and such. The usual alloy is #304. A few percent of molybdenum also helps to protect the chromium oxide layer, and according to the sources I've seen, that's generally called 316 grade and may be preferred for marine environments. Above that, you start to get into the high nickel alloys like Inconel, Monel, which are very corrosion and heat resistant, but as you might imagine, much more expensive than the usual consumer grades. Very high nickel alloys are used in such things as jet engine turbine blades and afterburners, because they are so heat resistant. They are also very difficult to machine, but that's another story. And as you might imagine, there are a lot of different alloys produced by tweaking the percent and type of alloying elements added.
The reason why I bring this all up is from Panthera's recommendation to flush the drain thoroughly after using a disposer. I would imagine, based on the above, while it's important for normal food scraps, it's even more important if one cleans a sink with a chlorine containing bleach. You don't want droplets of a bleach solution drying out on stainless (or regular steel, for that matter), becoming more and more concentrated as they dry, and causing pinhole leaks/fractures/mayhem.
Many years ago when I didn't know better, I bought a set of flatware that turned out to be 18-0 stainless. It worked fine as long as I kept it clean and dry. But I got a taste of how vulnerable it can be, when I lost a spoon in the garden. I found it a few weeks later, and it looked quite corroded and rusted. I was a bit surprised. After that I got some 18-8 flatware and have kept better track of its whereabouts
.diesirae7
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I've never had a sink disposer, even while growing up at home. Dad always put veggie waste in a bag and it went to compost pile outside then into the garden in the Spring. Any left over food went outside for the birds to eat in the day, and at night the coons or possums, everything was always gone by morning LOL
We never had food waste in the garbage, save for cooking grease. (Always save bacon lard in the little lard bowl that stayed on the stove for use when cooking, both grandmas always did that) Now I do the same thing at my house. Nature's garbage disposal, coons and possums
works great and its free and nothing goes to waste
We never had food waste in the garbage, save for cooking grease. (Always save bacon lard in the little lard bowl that stayed on the stove for use when cooking, both grandmas always did that) Now I do the same thing at my house. Nature's garbage disposal, coons and possums
works great and its free and nothing goes to wasteNatures "disposers" can leave WASTE of their own.And it can be NASTY!!!Both can carry rabies!You REALLY don't want those around "cute" as they can be!Also ether can have parasitic intestinal worms!Beleive me you DON'T want those critters around!!Ad long as they stay away from the house-fine.WE also have bears and wild hogs here,too!And too close to home!!!If I walk the neighborhood at night near my place-Carry one of my portable HID lights-critters esp bears don't like BRIGHT lights!
diesirae7
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Well...
They are around if I set it out or not! Here in IL its impossible NOT to have them, I live next to a creek, hillside and lots of trees, once darkness falls, I see them on the hillside, walking up from the creek, etc. Coons, possums, deer, owls sit on my porch light sometimes, bats, oh and the ground hog, but he's in his den in the hillside for the winter. I make a point to make noise when I come home at night so I don't sneak up on them, they can get mean if scared. I usually start rambling or screaming like a mad man getting out of the car, then I can hear them running away LOL
They are around if I set it out or not! Here in IL its impossible NOT to have them, I live next to a creek, hillside and lots of trees, once darkness falls, I see them on the hillside, walking up from the creek, etc. Coons, possums, deer, owls sit on my porch light sometimes, bats, oh and the ground hog, but he's in his den in the hillside for the winter. I make a point to make noise when I come home at night so I don't sneak up on them, they can get mean if scared. I usually start rambling or screaming like a mad man getting out of the car, then I can hear them running away LOL
The possums,coons,and such are all around me,too-Just don't want them too close to my place when I am outside.I have to go to work at night-shine my barnburner light all around to scare the critters away-and I have found some in my light-Racoons and a Momma possum with her young riding on her back.Don't bother them if they don't bother me.I just don't attract them.Seriously they do carry rabies and fleas.They are wild creatures and don't react favorably to people.Some folks have made pets of these-found them when they were babies and the mother was killed by a car or a hunter.Both are commonly hunted here.Its not legal to keep these but some people manage to do it.It was said they do make good pewts when trained-and both are very intelligent.
I have three compost bins, a cubic yard each, that are going most of the year. And they get the garden clippings and meat/nitrogen waste from the kitchen. I still use the sink disposer for stuff that falls into the sink during food prep, instead of clogging a strainer, which I dislike trying to clean. A properly managed compost bin, with a good ratio of "brown" to "green" doesn't stink even if you add meat scraps to it, and the lid on the bins keeps rats and mice out of it. The center of the bin reaches 140F or more from natural processes, enough to kill pathogens and render the compost safe for a vegetable garden.
I don't put any food out for raccoons or possums. They still come around, occasionally, attracted to stuff like avocados and other fruit trees in the yard. And the fish pond, which I've had to protect with high voltage fido shock wiring. I don't much mind the possums, but raccoons are bad news - they often carry a nasty round worm which can make humans very sick - like blind or dead. Raccoons like to create communal toilets on tops of flat roofing, and their scat can contain millions of these roundworm eggs. And the baby raccoons can be very infectious. The only sure way to kill those eggs is with a blow torch. I've also had to protect flat roofing around here with the fido shock wiring. It is irresponsible to feed wild raccoons; it only increases their numbers and the chances of humans contracting Baylisascaris procyonis. And keeping a not dewormed raccoon as a pet is just rolling the dice in a situation where one is likely to lose.
No bears or other large predators/scavengers around here, and those raccoons or possums that do come around don't disturb the bins.
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I don't put any food out for raccoons or possums. They still come around, occasionally, attracted to stuff like avocados and other fruit trees in the yard. And the fish pond, which I've had to protect with high voltage fido shock wiring. I don't much mind the possums, but raccoons are bad news - they often carry a nasty round worm which can make humans very sick - like blind or dead. Raccoons like to create communal toilets on tops of flat roofing, and their scat can contain millions of these roundworm eggs. And the baby raccoons can be very infectious. The only sure way to kill those eggs is with a blow torch. I've also had to protect flat roofing around here with the fido shock wiring. It is irresponsible to feed wild raccoons; it only increases their numbers and the chances of humans contracting Baylisascaris procyonis. And keeping a not dewormed raccoon as a pet is just rolling the dice in a situation where one is likely to lose.
No bears or other large predators/scavengers around here, and those raccoons or possums that do come around don't disturb the bins.
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Good points on the stainless steel
And one big reason for rinsing thoroughly. Another one: The dratted stainless and plastic is not all of the garbage disposer. At some point, they are joined to plain old steel. I won't write again what the manufacturers suggest, but it's worth reading up how long they say you should flush after grinding and doing so.
The whole nature is great thing-y is wonderful. I've lots of German friends and relations who do that. We have bears here. Anybody seriously wanna try that? Wait, let me set up the cameras first. Bound to be a slasher film being made in Hollywood someday soon which could use the footage.
And one big reason for rinsing thoroughly. Another one: The dratted stainless and plastic is not all of the garbage disposer. At some point, they are joined to plain old steel. I won't write again what the manufacturers suggest, but it's worth reading up how long they say you should flush after grinding and doing so.
The whole nature is great thing-y is wonderful. I've lots of German friends and relations who do that. We have bears here. Anybody seriously wanna try that? Wait, let me set up the cameras first. Bound to be a slasher film being made in Hollywood someday soon which could use the footage.
diesirae7
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Panthera, are you from Germany? I lived in Bavaria! The garbage system is very complicated I remember, everything separated, steel, plastic, glass, etc, then take it to town and put everything in its proper disposal container LOL, those were fun days indeed, miss the Alps and Salzburg at Christmas time.
HI Troy,
Yup, Munich. Miss it. Don't miss the recycling system.
Yup, Munich. Miss it. Don't miss the recycling system.
diesirae7
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Nice, Bavaria is great, I lived in BayerishGmain, within walking distance to Austrian border.
gusherb
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For the sink I have the ISE Evolution, for the floors I used to have a Rottweiler (now there's a Poodle but he's a food snob and won't touch most food), for outside we have possums, raccoons, skunks, deer, squirrels, birds, cats, coyotes...the only thing we don't have (yet) are Wolves, Bears, and wild hogs. The biggest menace are the raccoons, they've tipped over the trash can a few times and made a mess all over the driveway. One time one tried to take up residence in one of the trees in the backyard, then one day it got up on the back porch and my Rottweiler cornered it under the swing, scared it and after he was called in it ran off and never came back. Was amazed and relieved it didn't attack him.
One time my mother watched a raccoon pull a drumstick out of a trash can and eat it while sitting atop the hood of a car. Another time it was mid day I was driving down my grandma's street and a raccoon was standing in the gutter, I merely slowed down and looked at it and it started hissing at me. I was ready to shoot the bastard by that point.
The deer like to eat the baby pine tree in the back yard, they will come right up to the houses late at night sometimes. They have VERY good hearing so one has to be very quiet not to scare them off sneaking outside for a photo. One time one of us looked out the window late at night and a deer was staring right back in...
One time my mother watched a raccoon pull a drumstick out of a trash can and eat it while sitting atop the hood of a car. Another time it was mid day I was driving down my grandma's street and a raccoon was standing in the gutter, I merely slowed down and looked at it and it started hissing at me. I was ready to shoot the bastard by that point.
The deer like to eat the baby pine tree in the back yard, they will come right up to the houses late at night sometimes. They have VERY good hearing so one has to be very quiet not to scare them off sneaking outside for a photo. One time one of us looked out the window late at night and a deer was staring right back in...
diesirae7
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Be careful...
Watch those raccoons! From what I hear they are going to end the human race in a few shorts years... They are very smart and know what they are doing LOL
Watch those raccoons! From what I hear they are going to end the human race in a few shorts years... They are very smart and know what they are doing LOL
Racoons ending the human race--no wonder why they are hunted around here and in other states!Get your "coon" lights out!and those coon callers!
If I lived in bear country, I'd get some bear-proof compost bins. Or bear-proof enclosures to put the plastic bins inside.
Raccoons are dangerous animals. My neighbor's miniature dogs were attacked one night last year in her back yard, on ended up in the vet hospital. She doesn't let them out there at night any more.
If people secured their food garbage and didn't leave pet food outside, the raccoon problem would be reduced.
PS-At a compost website I have visited, some people say they have rigged up a garbage disposer near their compost bin - they take the food scraps out there and run them through the disposer, which is mounted over a bucket. Then the bucket content goes into the bin. It's an interesting idea, however, I have found, other than bones, the bacteria, fungus, beetles, and worms make short work of most food scraps anyway. Most important is to layer the food scraps between layers of "brown" such as dry leaves, hay, or hedge clippings. This mixture promotes aerobic bacteria as well as the variety of microbes needed for efficient decomposition. The resultant compost usually has the texture and aroma of rich loam, and plants love it.
I've read that raccoons, which are native to the Americas, have become quite a problem in Europe, where they were imported by foolish people who let them go.
Raccoons are dangerous animals. My neighbor's miniature dogs were attacked one night last year in her back yard, on ended up in the vet hospital. She doesn't let them out there at night any more.
If people secured their food garbage and didn't leave pet food outside, the raccoon problem would be reduced.
PS-At a compost website I have visited, some people say they have rigged up a garbage disposer near their compost bin - they take the food scraps out there and run them through the disposer, which is mounted over a bucket. Then the bucket content goes into the bin. It's an interesting idea, however, I have found, other than bones, the bacteria, fungus, beetles, and worms make short work of most food scraps anyway. Most important is to layer the food scraps between layers of "brown" such as dry leaves, hay, or hedge clippings. This mixture promotes aerobic bacteria as well as the variety of microbes needed for efficient decomposition. The resultant compost usually has the texture and aroma of rich loam, and plants love it.
I've read that raccoons, which are native to the Americas, have become quite a problem in Europe, where they were imported by foolish people who let them go.
Outside "dispoer" Just get a good Chipper/shredder.these make good work of anything you could throw into a compost pile.My Mom and StepDad used to have a compost pile.they had a chipper/shredder-I used it to grind up whatever they wanted to put in the pile.The compost made GREAT mulch for their gardens.Yes,even the grass clippings were thrown in!
