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Does anyone lock into the gas rate for the winter? We have in the past many years ago and got burnt on the deal. The rate never went up as high as I had locked into. With the bills last year, although it was colder for longer periods were ridiculous. I am going to pull out last years bills and hopefully the lock in rate letter and see how it compared. Being in New England they say we don't have enough pipe lines for all the electrical generation that uses gas to make electricity and to supply the homes. Would like to hear how gas users are going to handle this, this winter.
Jon
 
I heat with propane as natural gas is not available where I live. I have locked in the price every year and have always lucked out as the price during the winter seems to have gone higher than my locked in rate. Last winter I was paying $0.639 per litre and this winter the rate is $0.699. There were times last winter when people that did not lock in the rate were paying over $1 per litre.

Gary
 
I have locked since I have had the option. My bills are not that excessive so I have not bothered to compare. I think with all of the new gas supplies, the prices will decline over time. The best solution to high energy bills is insulation. I had close to two feet blown into my attic the first spring I owned my house and that and the sunscreens on the windows mean that in all but the hottest weather, two 8000 BTU window units keep the house at 72F.

Last winter there were horror stories about people who depended on propane. Of course, everything in the house was propane; they drank deeply of the KoolAid. Propane is scarcely cheaper than electricity for jobs like cooking, expecially when you consider the efficiency. One poor soul ran out of propane and could not afford to refill her tank so she switched to electric space heaters and ran up her electric bill to where the power company was going to shut off her power. At least if she had an electric range, she could have cooked and heated water for bathing, dishwashing and stuff.
 
Lock in rate

Everything in my house is Propane, No Natural gas here, I figured if the power goes out ( which it does ) I can still shower, cook etc...I locked in this past Sep at 2.35 a gallon, bought 1000 gallons which will last me until Next Sep... Last winter, in Feb here, it went to almost 4.00 a gallon.. figured I better lock in....
 
In the midwest (at least in Illinois, NW Indiana a different story entirely) natural gas is fairly cheap, but many people do lock in or do budget plans which stretch the bills evenly over the year. I've heard a lot of the eastern seaboard has insufficient pressure or not enough pipelines for supplying customers who want natgas for heating and cooking.
 
Retro, down here in the south we don't need as much heat as you will. My propane company offer a deal to lock in for a year OR take a one time filling at a reduced rate. So far it's worked for us.
 
We used to lock in and every year it ended up being a ripoff. Last winter we cancelled the rate lock and it paid off. The rate they offered was something like .57 cents a therm and yet the highest our rate ever got was .48 cents a therm. Our gas bills were the lowest they'd been in YEARS despite the record cold winter because we didn't do the stupid rate lock and we got a new 97% efficient furnace (upgraded from an 80%er)
Oh and this is in NWI btw.
 
John

We had the furnace and condensing unit (including lineset and evaporator) all done at once, including a new media air cleaner, thermostat cable and thermostat for just over 6,300$. The equipment was a Trane XV95 60,000 BTU furnace, which has a two stage gas valve and variable speed blower motor (ramps up smoothly and so quiet!), and a Trane XR13 2.5 ton condenser.

They downsized the furnace from a 100,000 BTU 80%er that cycled even when it was -17 degrees outside, the new one has MUCH longer run times resulting in a far better comfort level, it'll run continuously in 1st stage at 0 degrees outside and kick up to 2nd stage when it gets just below zero.

One of my favorite things is the vent kit they used which is pretty inconspicuous, all the neighbors have pipes sticking out of their houses and that would've been unacceptable for us as we had to go out the side and you can see it from the street. Oh and that screen on the second condenser was my creative way of keeping the cottonwoods out of the (PITA to clean) SpineFin coil.

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Thanks for the detailed response and pictures, Jonathan! That price doesn't sound as bad as I thought, especially if you had to have two condensers.

I'm on a 1989 Trane system that still works fine, but when the service men call to do yearly checkups they're always trying to sell something new. I keep hearing anecdotally that newer Trane AC compressors tend to fail early -- that certainly didn't used to be the case.
 
The second condenser (the one with the screen on it) is part of the houses second HVAC system which serves the 2nd floor. That system was installed in 2008 and that condenser was worked to death in the heat wave of 2012 and took it beautifully even having to make up for lack of working A/C downstairs that year because our original 1990 Armstrong condenser took a dump a couple years prior.

As far as compressors go I see no reason your '89 should be any more reliable then a modern Trane's compressor. The real key to longevity here is how well the system is installed and I can tell you the majority of systems out there are victim to subpar installations.

For your system if its been well maintained and you can live without cooling for a few days or so then I'd just run it until a major component finally gives out (like the compressor) or until your wallet cries uncle cuz I know those older units cost a lot to run. Our bills did go down exponentially during summer months after having both systems upgraded to 13 SEER units (from the standard of the time, 9 SEER).
 
Here in Philadelphia with our current city owned,full of political patronage, and mismanaged gas utility there is no such thing as a lock in.  In fact we have a weather normalization charge that charges us for the gas we don't use.  You turn the thermostat way down, save on gas and when your bill comes you get a flat charge of $10 - $20  dollars ADDED TO the bill for the gas they thought you would use but you didn't.  The mayor is trying to sell the utility to a company that services New England.  I have looked at their rates and I would save money with them, so I hope the sale goes through.

 

It depends on our City Council which is nothing but a feckless organization so I don't have a lot of hope that the sale will proceed.

 

What do you think might be cheaper? A city owned gas utility that is not competitive with the gas market or switching to a heat pump in which the electric utility will give you a discount on the distribution charge and lets us  shop around for the cheapest electricity supply rates?

 

 
 
Jonathan, my 1989 Trane is a 12 SEER, which was top of the line then IIRC. You can do better now, of course, but it isn't too bad.

As for the reliability of the compressors, the supposed reason for less longevity is that Trane transferred production to Mexico. Not sure. Maybe there were just some glitches, but I've known, unfortunately, two people who've had failures with the Mexican-made units. The Trane compressor was the old GE Weathertron design, which they bought when GE unloaded their home heating business. For some reason, this was reputedly the most rugged compressor design ever. I've certainly had no problems; it's never even needed a recharge. But it's helpful to know they've been reliable for you!

Jerrod, I can't address your local gas utility issue, but generally there are a lot of issues now that will certainly put heavy pressure on electric rates -- new EPA regulations on mercury, particulate matter, and carbon will make any coal-fired generation much more expensive, and many states have mandates on renewable energy that also tend to be costly in the aggregate (though they may benefit some people through feed-in tariffs). Meanwhile, Pennsylvania is sitting on one of the largest gas fields in the world and there is a flood of new gas supplies in your area. My inclination would be to go with gas.
 
John. No need to replace then! And those Climatuff compressors seriously were one of the best compressors ever made. The old GE Weathertron design is one of my all time favorites, my brother once lived in an apartment complex with about 20 of them that were 25 yrs old at the time and none of them had ever been replaced except for one that got swapped with an identical 2003 model.

Unless something new has occurred very recently I think they only moved the base model equipment manufacturing to Mexico, the XB series. Our XR series condenser and XV series furnace were made in March 2013 IN the USA. The older system made in 2007 is also made in USA.

Indiana is making a big shift to natural gas power generation due to the new regulations, our utility company, NIPSCO has put in place a power grid modernization project and they're supposed to raise rates every year until 2020 to pay for it all. I so look forward to having higher then our already high electric rates...NOT. The majority of our power generation is coal so the regulations have been a hard hit here, these conversions are not only gonna push electric rates up but increase demand for natural gas dramatically, therefore increasing NG rates too. It seems like a lose/lose to me.
I actually looked into a heat pump before we had the new HVAC system put in last year and even with our current rates a HP wasn't justifiable, and it'll be worse in the future.
 
So far thanks for all of your thoughts about switching to electric, although our local utility gets power from two nuclear power plants, I am not exactly sure where my electricity is being generated since I use a different company.  Thanks much everyone.
 
After pulling out the last 2 years gas bills and the lock in rate sheets, I made a spread sheet. After inputting all info I looked it all over. The bills 2 years ago never made up to the lock in rate. Last years bills had 1 month where it went over the lock in rate. Looking at this years bill we are no where near the lock in rate. Probably 1/2 at what they are looking for you to lock in. So all in all I am not locking in. With the "predictions" that we are supposed to have milder and warmer heating season I don't see a huge rise coming on the rates. Just take it as it comes month to month.
Jon
 
I heard a lesser repeat of the last winters Polar Vortex - Arctic Blast - Chiberia, btu (heh heh) who knows.
 

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