toggleswitch2
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Why is he always on top?
Why is he always on top?
gay? borned to it..or learned behaviour...
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Toggles! ROFLMAO!
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Love that pic Toggles.....I can honestly say thats the only "kitty" I like. That could be a pic of moi when I was a wee tadpole and who would have known. Or maybe it was the pacifier that my parents used to shove up my ass when I was that age to keep me from crying....I am just kidding they didnt do that and if they did I am sure I would have come out the same way.
oldhouseman
>have you been hanging out with sdlee?
No. I am asking what sdlee is talking about in regards to babies in his first post. I don't understand how he is connecting babies to gay people. He says he thinks that being gay is a learned behavior, and then starts talking about how a baby is wistfully wishing it had sexual desire for an adult, which I think is kinda bizarre. I just can't see the connection he's making.
>have you been hanging out with sdlee?
No. I am asking what sdlee is talking about in regards to babies in his first post. I don't understand how he is connecting babies to gay people. He says he thinks that being gay is a learned behavior, and then starts talking about how a baby is wistfully wishing it had sexual desire for an adult, which I think is kinda bizarre. I just can't see the connection he's making.
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neither could I
my responce to you was meant as satire.
Don't send me anymore emails bobbywasher, they will be deleted unopened.
my responce to you was meant as satire.
Don't send me anymore emails bobbywasher, they will be deleted unopened.
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Why Toggles....what a lovely pussy you have there....
d'oh...
Looks like I should have read the whole thread first, sdlee kinda cleared up my confusion.
I'd have to respond, though- I don't think the child not knowing if he or she was gay or not at birth is a good argument for learned vs biological. What child would know, before puberty begins, before self-awareness begins, what sexuality that child would end up with? For that matter, what child would know just about anything about how their own adult lives would pan out in the future?
I tend to believe its a biological issue. A variation, at best, in ones biological make up. I never had any driving forces in my life to end up in a particular orientation, and yet here I am dealing with the more difficult one. It doesn't stand to reason, for me, to have gone down the more difficult path in life unless it was something I had no control over.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
Looks like I should have read the whole thread first, sdlee kinda cleared up my confusion.
I'd have to respond, though- I don't think the child not knowing if he or she was gay or not at birth is a good argument for learned vs biological. What child would know, before puberty begins, before self-awareness begins, what sexuality that child would end up with? For that matter, what child would know just about anything about how their own adult lives would pan out in the future?
I tend to believe its a biological issue. A variation, at best, in ones biological make up. I never had any driving forces in my life to end up in a particular orientation, and yet here I am dealing with the more difficult one. It doesn't stand to reason, for me, to have gone down the more difficult path in life unless it was something I had no control over.
Gay Brains Are Wired Differently Say Scientists
Using scanning technology, researchers in Sweden found that the brains of gay men and women were wired differently to the brains of heterosexual people of the same sex, but were similar to...
www.medicalnewstoday.com
Just to go back to the first message, the presumption was wrong, namely that scientists can figure out a lot but not the scientific explanation for homosexuality. Scientists have discovered some interesting physical differences between gays and straights. A more interesting question would be if you could ignore your preset sexual orientation.
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safety belt on...
OK after laughing like no tomorrow i felt i had to think and respond i see that type of question. I myself am not sure what "makes" one gay other than the preference for the same sex,I do feel that one figures out what they like and prefer as they get older and more mature it can be learned behaver, however, not everyone "learned" it no? I mean obviously most of us were procreated through straight parents is that to say that im straight because my parents are? and i learned it? who knows....I would like an answer too! I have plenty of gay family and friends and they all describe there sexual preference differently some experimented and preferred the same sex others felt they were always gay and born that way so i guess its just different for everyone im sure we can all agree that our upbringing can alter, effect, who we choose as partners. For a while i had a thing for church girls as i was brought up in church and after leaving it i cant stand girls from church LOL, prefer a sinner than a saint *JOKE*.
well in then end its a great question as to what makes someone gay same should be asked what makes someone straight?
V
OK after laughing like no tomorrow i felt i had to think and respond i see that type of question. I myself am not sure what "makes" one gay other than the preference for the same sex,I do feel that one figures out what they like and prefer as they get older and more mature it can be learned behaver, however, not everyone "learned" it no? I mean obviously most of us were procreated through straight parents is that to say that im straight because my parents are? and i learned it? who knows....I would like an answer too! I have plenty of gay family and friends and they all describe there sexual preference differently some experimented and preferred the same sex others felt they were always gay and born that way so i guess its just different for everyone im sure we can all agree that our upbringing can alter, effect, who we choose as partners. For a while i had a thing for church girls as i was brought up in church and after leaving it i cant stand girls from church LOL, prefer a sinner than a saint *JOKE*.
well in then end its a great question as to what makes someone gay same should be asked what makes someone straight?
V
The scientific data seems to be mounting that being gay or lesbian isn't a learned trait, but rather one that becomes a physical trait in the womb or very early in life.
There are also studies that suggest that homosexuality, contrary to right wing religious teaching, is not necessarily an evolutionary dead end. The very fact that homosexuality has been part of the human nature for millenia, that fact alone supports that it has some function in our species. Behavioral anthropologists might say that human societies gain some definite benefits from having a certain small percentage of their population not engaged in breeding activity. This frees up resources and labor to help those who are raising offspring.
My conclusion is that while there may be a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, it's probably more a matter of environmental and sociological factors encountered by the mother during the child's gestation period. These factors say, "Hey, time to make a homo" (-
Then, variable gene expression takes over, and the same set of genes that could produce a straight person are subtly influenced that homosexuality is the predominant if not sole preference. Judging from the stories one hears, it's not a trait that can be changed by the person later in life, even if they are under extreme pressure to make that change. This is why discrimination against gays is so wrong - it's not something they could change even if they wanted to.
There are also studies that suggest that homosexuality, contrary to right wing religious teaching, is not necessarily an evolutionary dead end. The very fact that homosexuality has been part of the human nature for millenia, that fact alone supports that it has some function in our species. Behavioral anthropologists might say that human societies gain some definite benefits from having a certain small percentage of their population not engaged in breeding activity. This frees up resources and labor to help those who are raising offspring.
My conclusion is that while there may be a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, it's probably more a matter of environmental and sociological factors encountered by the mother during the child's gestation period. These factors say, "Hey, time to make a homo" (-
Then, variable gene expression takes over, and the same set of genes that could produce a straight person are subtly influenced that homosexuality is the predominant if not sole preference. Judging from the stories one hears, it's not a trait that can be changed by the person later in life, even if they are under extreme pressure to make that change. This is why discrimination against gays is so wrong - it's not something they could change even if they wanted to.toggleswitch2
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The actual preference itself is innate, IMHO. The activities one chooses to engage in (when they are different from one's pre-set attractions) may be learned.
How do we explain Ancient Greece (before Christianity screwed-up a healthier view of sexuality)?
The men had wives and families, and the necessity and its place in society was esteemed. They also had a "student" (before he had a beard)) who was taught by the "mentor/teacher" (older and ususallly married man ("bearded")) one-on-one all the higher learnings; philosphy, thesophy, algebra, trigonometry, poetry, art, mathematics, etc. This kept that society as advanced as it was. The older men also taught their younger charges the fine art of the horizontal tango. When the students themselves became bearded it was time for them to take-charge and be on top of the situation.
Further it was believed that same-sex couplings was a far more intense love than M-F could ever be. So, what was the true preference of the people in that place at that time? It was believed and expected that seed was planted in any proper container, being of many varieties. Is true human nature to be sexual, period? I truly believe the attitude towards sexuality is learned on a societal level.
Anyone can do anything in terms of physical relations. For me the expected hetero role just doesn't feel right, and is physically and mentally (*love and yes lust*) lacking.
*JOKE* If sexuality is indeed learned, there needs to be a global re-training program and an outlawing of M-F marriage and hetero activites, as these may lead to pregnancy. We must stop the awful population explosion that is ruining our planet. These "crimials" can change if they want to.
SOUND RIDICULOUS?
How do we explain Ancient Greece (before Christianity screwed-up a healthier view of sexuality)?
The men had wives and families, and the necessity and its place in society was esteemed. They also had a "student" (before he had a beard)) who was taught by the "mentor/teacher" (older and ususallly married man ("bearded")) one-on-one all the higher learnings; philosphy, thesophy, algebra, trigonometry, poetry, art, mathematics, etc. This kept that society as advanced as it was. The older men also taught their younger charges the fine art of the horizontal tango. When the students themselves became bearded it was time for them to take-charge and be on top of the situation.
Further it was believed that same-sex couplings was a far more intense love than M-F could ever be. So, what was the true preference of the people in that place at that time? It was believed and expected that seed was planted in any proper container, being of many varieties. Is true human nature to be sexual, period? I truly believe the attitude towards sexuality is learned on a societal level.
Anyone can do anything in terms of physical relations. For me the expected hetero role just doesn't feel right, and is physically and mentally (*love and yes lust*) lacking.
*JOKE* If sexuality is indeed learned, there needs to be a global re-training program and an outlawing of M-F marriage and hetero activites, as these may lead to pregnancy. We must stop the awful population explosion that is ruining our planet. These "crimials" can change if they want to.
SOUND RIDICULOUS?
sdlee
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intresteing...............outside of the personal attacks on my charector and spelling ( which I knew when I started this thread would happen so I was braced and am also thankful that its been minimal) this has been a cool thread.
No hard feelings btw , those who were or have tried to indicate theres something wrong with me are forgiven. Ive been known to be just as catty.
What I find intesting the most is that my own opinion is becomming not changed but enriched. Before I was under the impression that sexuallity either hetero or homo is learned
and now Im thinking maybe some are predetermined to be one way or the other BUt I still hold fast that either way is something we are tought either by exposure or conditioning.
Thus again I justify my baby comment ( I was only thinking of a baby as a clean slate) Those of you who so desperatly want or have a need for that to be anything else ........well I think you should maybe do some self examnination.
Meanwhile I still aint ready to buy the whole were born with (either make up) it idea but I concur that MOSt people know they are different from the masses early on. Im not sure if thats lucky or not.Myself even though I had sex with both sexes a lot i wasnt really sure where I was until my mid twenties and on this day Im not sure its gonna end one way or another and frankly thats kinda fun.
thanks for exploring this with me my buds. This has been a good one.
No hard feelings btw , those who were or have tried to indicate theres something wrong with me are forgiven. Ive been known to be just as catty.
What I find intesting the most is that my own opinion is becomming not changed but enriched. Before I was under the impression that sexuallity either hetero or homo is learned
and now Im thinking maybe some are predetermined to be one way or the other BUt I still hold fast that either way is something we are tought either by exposure or conditioning.
Thus again I justify my baby comment ( I was only thinking of a baby as a clean slate) Those of you who so desperatly want or have a need for that to be anything else ........well I think you should maybe do some self examnination.
Meanwhile I still aint ready to buy the whole were born with (either make up) it idea but I concur that MOSt people know they are different from the masses early on. Im not sure if thats lucky or not.Myself even though I had sex with both sexes a lot i wasnt really sure where I was until my mid twenties and on this day Im not sure its gonna end one way or another and frankly thats kinda fun.
thanks for exploring this with me my buds. This has been a good one.
