Living in Hawai'i now without a clothes dryer is fine but I do miss my Filter-Flo and Wards burpalator for removing some lint..!
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@GSD-Dan: I think it came from the way the silent generation raised their kids- through behaviorism and corporal means- children to be seen but not heard- amalgamated in a world with a booming post war economy.
Children are excellent observers but horrible interrupters. Raising children through punitive means creates adults who 1) believe that force or violence via an omniscient authority is a problem solving technique 2) believe that all human behavior is shaped by motivation- ie all human behavior and its outcomes are consciously chosen by an individual person through hedonism.
The post war economy and near unlimited freedom (back then) meant that people could earn their way to homes, cars, ect, have kids, learn, succeed, have leisure time and ultimately be happy through relatively easy effort with no boundaries or barriers in place when a sincere effort was exerted. The system worked very well for those who could.
Result of the two factors being that boomers assume that any and all downfalls in this world are of an individuals own doing and not that of a failing system, discrimination, inequality, disease, disability, poverty, lagging skills or any other factor beyond an individual humans control. People are misinterpreted as just being lazy or choosing a certain "lifestyle choice". Leading to those making such inferences to live in a self centered and self applied world view.
The solution to perceived world problems real or imagined is motivation and its science of applied behaviorism- a utopia through stimulus guided human behavior applied and determined by a central governing authority- which has directly influenced everything from economics, to business, to finance, to foreign policy, to education, to criminal justice, to psychology, to psychiatry, to medicine, to child development, to civics, to laws, to philosophy, to advertising, to culture, and absolutely everything in between.
Of course since this fundamental basis is pertinently wrong things either get worse or don't change.
End result being an entire generation and a society as a whole which assumes all observable outcomes besides their own are of an individuals own fault and that authority should never be questioned or challenged. Complete ignorance of civic duty which democracy was founded upon. Which is the epitome of ironic when freedom and dignity are what created all the prosperity civilization currently enjoys only to have the "greatest" minds of the boomer generation saying we must move beyond the very thing that gave them everything they have to live for.
Hence where we are today with GE.
Children are excellent observers but horrible interrupters. Raising children through punitive means creates adults who 1) believe that force or violence via an omniscient authority is a problem solving technique 2) believe that all human behavior is shaped by motivation- ie all human behavior and its outcomes are consciously chosen by an individual person through hedonism.
The post war economy and near unlimited freedom (back then) meant that people could earn their way to homes, cars, ect, have kids, learn, succeed, have leisure time and ultimately be happy through relatively easy effort with no boundaries or barriers in place when a sincere effort was exerted. The system worked very well for those who could.
Result of the two factors being that boomers assume that any and all downfalls in this world are of an individuals own doing and not that of a failing system, discrimination, inequality, disease, disability, poverty, lagging skills or any other factor beyond an individual humans control. People are misinterpreted as just being lazy or choosing a certain "lifestyle choice". Leading to those making such inferences to live in a self centered and self applied world view.
The solution to perceived world problems real or imagined is motivation and its science of applied behaviorism- a utopia through stimulus guided human behavior applied and determined by a central governing authority- which has directly influenced everything from economics, to business, to finance, to foreign policy, to education, to criminal justice, to psychology, to psychiatry, to medicine, to child development, to civics, to laws, to philosophy, to advertising, to culture, and absolutely everything in between.
Of course since this fundamental basis is pertinently wrong things either get worse or don't change.
End result being an entire generation and a society as a whole which assumes all observable outcomes besides their own are of an individuals own fault and that authority should never be questioned or challenged. Complete ignorance of civic duty which democracy was founded upon. Which is the epitome of ironic when freedom and dignity are what created all the prosperity civilization currently enjoys only to have the "greatest" minds of the boomer generation saying we must move beyond the very thing that gave them everything they have to live for.
Hence where we are today with GE.
It’s interesting when people claim that today’s problems are because of such and such age demographic or generation, the reality is the seeds for everything that’s going on today were planted a long, long time ago.
Sometimes, I think it’s the Lost Generation and the generation that became before them (who knows what generation that was) that basically planted the seeds for the problems of the 21st century (I know, sort of contradicting myself a little). Since the Lost generation were horrible towards their silent generation, they didn’t know any better and couldn’t think for themselves. Then, the Silent generation started having kids of their own (raised gen x, though some of gen x had boomer parents) and unfortunately, repeated the mistakes their parents made. When Gen X started having kids of their own (my age demographic/generation), they decided enough is enough and were never going to be like their parents and would do all means necessary to protect their children from the dangers of the outside world and here we are.
Sometimes, I think it’s the Lost Generation and the generation that became before them (who knows what generation that was) that basically planted the seeds for the problems of the 21st century (I know, sort of contradicting myself a little). Since the Lost generation were horrible towards their silent generation, they didn’t know any better and couldn’t think for themselves. Then, the Silent generation started having kids of their own (raised gen x, though some of gen x had boomer parents) and unfortunately, repeated the mistakes their parents made. When Gen X started having kids of their own (my age demographic/generation), they decided enough is enough and were never going to be like their parents and would do all means necessary to protect their children from the dangers of the outside world and here we are.
What G.E.?
Good lord those hairy hands and arms!
Good lord those hairy hands and arms!
GE filter-flo transmissions and post filter-flo transmission
The transmissions on each model are vastly different. The old-style filter-flo had a beefy transmission whereas the new-style GE transmission was puny. I bet Jack Welch wanted the oil in the GE post filter-flo to be watered down so that the transmissions will leak quickly. I bet that it was so thin that the gears could shriek like their motors do. GE filter-flo washer oil was nice and thick so that the machine will run smoothly. Count on it! Somebody tell me I'm wrong! I bet that's also WHY their transmissions do that double knock during agitation where as the GE filter-flo didn't!
The transmissions on each model are vastly different. The old-style filter-flo had a beefy transmission whereas the new-style GE transmission was puny. I bet Jack Welch wanted the oil in the GE post filter-flo to be watered down so that the transmissions will leak quickly. I bet that it was so thin that the gears could shriek like their motors do. GE filter-flo washer oil was nice and thick so that the machine will run smoothly. Count on it! Somebody tell me I'm wrong! I bet that's also WHY their transmissions do that double knock during agitation where as the GE filter-flo didn't!
CHETLATHAM:
A very ingenious assessment you have made on what's called Under New Management and as far as myself is concerned I don't have that option at my job to just resign or step down if ever make enough from what I do labouring for such companies...
(Or maybe in terms of what I am working for, that's a lot of doing without!)
-- Dave
A very ingenious assessment you have made on what's called Under New Management and as far as myself is concerned I don't have that option at my job to just resign or step down if ever make enough from what I do labouring for such companies...
(Or maybe in terms of what I am working for, that's a lot of doing without!)
-- Dave
@Sean- forgive me, that would be my mistake. A bit of a Freudian slip, my mind is still on those GSD-500 through GSD2800 Potscrubbers from the 80s. I still think about them so that sometimes comes out in unwanted ways. My apologies.
@dave: Right, because you are the only one who would step down if you acted upon it. If everyone at once stepped down or peacefully protested pay and work conditions would improve for the better for everyone involved. One or two people can be dismissed, hundreds and thousands can not. Its works like this with everything. Everyone has a civic duty to preserve the rights of everyone else regardless of what government/management/ect say.
Anyway- my point is consumers let government, trends, consumer reports and manufacturers tell them what they ought to like, whats new, and what to buy. People are afraid to state or act on what they know to be incontrovertible deep down. If people shopped for no strings attached results instead of bling, we'd see the improvement of GE FF washers instead of its discontinuation.
I think all top load washers should recirculate that water through a filter. I know I would love to have that feature in my Speed Queen from when I leave tissues in a coat pocket or a comforter explodes lol. Yes I wash comforters in TLs
@dave: Right, because you are the only one who would step down if you acted upon it. If everyone at once stepped down or peacefully protested pay and work conditions would improve for the better for everyone involved. One or two people can be dismissed, hundreds and thousands can not. Its works like this with everything. Everyone has a civic duty to preserve the rights of everyone else regardless of what government/management/ect say.
Anyway- my point is consumers let government, trends, consumer reports and manufacturers tell them what they ought to like, whats new, and what to buy. People are afraid to state or act on what they know to be incontrovertible deep down. If people shopped for no strings attached results instead of bling, we'd see the improvement of GE FF washers instead of its discontinuation.
I think all top load washers should recirculate that water through a filter. I know I would love to have that feature in my Speed Queen from when I leave tissues in a coat pocket or a comforter explodes lol. Yes I wash comforters in TLs
@Jerome: I think the double knock is from the agitate gears pushing against the transmission housing driving it in the opposite direction of each agitator stroke cause the brake to re-engage and knock. Of course with the whole assembly shaking back and forth that adds a lot of other noises as well.
to chetlaham
That is what I suspect. I have a feeling that GE used a watered down gear oil to compensate for that stupid crappy tiny transmission, instead of mounting their massive transmission in the filter-flo to the transmission with the same gear oil atop the motor or put it underneath it.
That is what I suspect. I have a feeling that GE used a watered down gear oil to compensate for that stupid crappy tiny transmission, instead of mounting their massive transmission in the filter-flo to the transmission with the same gear oil atop the motor or put it underneath it.
I'd love to know what GE did to their oil, I'm rather clueless in that regard. I agree GE should have either re-used or redesigned their transmission to be massive. Two improvements to the fitler flo would have been reducing the space between the inner and outer tubs and second bringing in a milk stool suspension like Speed Queen or Maytag Performa. GE could have purchased the Raytheon/Goodman design like Speed Queen did and improve the design to fix the seal/bearing problems.
You know, GE could have technically put the clutch and motor directly underneath the transmission making the ultimate Direct Drive design. That would have worked to but the cabinet might need to be a few inches taller to accommodate the pump and movement.
You know, GE could have technically put the clutch and motor directly underneath the transmission making the ultimate Direct Drive design. That would have worked to but the cabinet might need to be a few inches taller to accommodate the pump and movement.
fast stroke
If GE was going to use their fast stroke agitation as they did, they should accommodate the transmission to have even larger and beefier gears to where it stands up to such forces and make the agitation longer strokes for maximum turnover. That's just me. They could've had the water flow all throughout the tub ring and lip to clean everything out, even the fabric softener dispenser. Yes, GE should've reused their gear oil from the filter-flo and put more additives to prevent gear rusting. Now think about how smooth the transmission would run.
If GE was going to use their fast stroke agitation as they did, they should accommodate the transmission to have even larger and beefier gears to where it stands up to such forces and make the agitation longer strokes for maximum turnover. That's just me. They could've had the water flow all throughout the tub ring and lip to clean everything out, even the fabric softener dispenser. Yes, GE should've reused their gear oil from the filter-flo and put more additives to prevent gear rusting. Now think about how smooth the transmission would run.
Bigger gears, bigger body, long stroke, 3/4 HP motor, fitler flo and spin-drain. That would have been an ideal re-design. They also should have kept the clutch shoes instead of that weird fork.
strokes per minute
How many SPM during agitation? What about spin? How many RPM?
How many SPM during agitation? What about spin? How many RPM?
GE T-Line Washer Speeds
A service manual I have for the T washer line states 108 degrees arc of agitation stroke, 154 strokes per minute fast speed, 103 strokes per minute slow speed.
Spin is 630 RPM fast, 420 RPM slow.
A service manual I have for the T washer line states 108 degrees arc of agitation stroke, 154 strokes per minute fast speed, 103 strokes per minute slow speed.
Spin is 630 RPM fast, 420 RPM slow.
service manual
Does it mention what oil GE used in their transmissions in the service manual of the T models? I would assume a cheapened watered down oil instead of reusing the GE filter-flo gear oil that was once used.
Does it mention what oil GE used in their transmissions in the service manual of the T models? I would assume a cheapened watered down oil instead of reusing the GE filter-flo gear oil that was once used.
Info on the transmission has no detail on lubrication other than that it contains 4 oz. of oil. The gears are all steel, no plastic. The transmission is replaced upon failure, it's not designed/intended to be opened for internal servicing.
gear lubrication
I wish I knew what lubricant was used in their t models compared to the filter-flo system. I wonder if they used a better oil or if they reused the old lubricant, or just watered it down. I thought the transmission used 5.5 ounces of oil compared to the filter-flo that used 86.
I wish I knew what lubricant was used in their t models compared to the filter-flo system. I wonder if they used a better oil or if they reused the old lubricant, or just watered it down. I thought the transmission used 5.5 ounces of oil compared to the filter-flo that used 86.
GE wash system
What did GE name their wash system in the service manual?
What did GE name their wash system in the service manual?
Jerome, you might like this link if you have not seen it already, service manuals for the filter flo, model T and Hydrowave plus various GE FL washers:
And in a more perfect world the model T would have resembled this:
And in a more perfect world the model T would have resembled this:
