What do we have here? Here's a video of a GE profile filter-flo. This is what they should've came up with.
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Like the older GE FF better than this one.Indexing tub,short ineffective agitator strokes and not much going on.The older rimflows were better,too.
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I like the older GE filter-flo too. If they were gonna "upgrade" their wash system, they should've used stainless steel tubs like Speed Queen Laundry did.
I like the older GE filter-flo too. If they were gonna "upgrade" their wash system, they should've used stainless steel tubs like Speed Queen Laundry did.
A great step in the right direction however still needs a long stroke transmission, steal outter tub, stabilized suspension, ect.
The world needs more people like this, I admire him is passion like converting the motor from 110 to 220 volt operation:
If everyone was like me not one model T washer would have sold.
The world needs more people like this, I admire him is passion like converting the motor from 110 to 220 volt operation:
If everyone was like me not one model T washer would have sold.
GE filter-flo
How was he able to make a GE filter-flo out of this? I wish GE did something similar right from the beginning. But, who am I to tell them what to do?
How was he able to make a GE filter-flo out of this? I wish GE did something similar right from the beginning. But, who am I to tell them what to do?
My guess is a T connector, second Hanny pump, hoses, filter flo flume, and wiring configured to energize the pump motor when the motor run and motor agitate direction relay is engage.
GE should have kept the FF concept, but sadly people just don't seem to care.
GE should have kept the FF concept, but sadly people just don't seem to care.
people too stupid
I agree with you completely. However, people are too stupid to understand how a washer works. Look at all the lint problems being plagued today. I wish GE would go back to this. Maybe I'm too stupid to say that these washers were ruined after the filter-flo. Am I or am I not? The filter-flo was the solution. They (GE) must think I'm stupid for saying that.
I agree with you completely. However, people are too stupid to understand how a washer works. Look at all the lint problems being plagued today. I wish GE would go back to this. Maybe I'm too stupid to say that these washers were ruined after the filter-flo. Am I or am I not? The filter-flo was the solution. They (GE) must think I'm stupid for saying that.
The model T was a business shareholder solution, not a customer solution. Filter Flo was simply about profit, having executives take what equity they could out of GE for their own retirement before the merde hit the fan. The plan was never to have GE perpetually remain #1.
Goal was to Build an ultra cheap washer that pretended to wash in order to get builders and landlords to hand over their cash while taking advantage of a once prestigious reputation.
If everyone was like me 1) not a single model T sale would have ever been secured by a home owner. 2) 40 million renters and new home buyers would refuse to pay their rent or mortgage where a post FF washers is discovered demanding the builder or landlord take it off the premise for another brand. 3) Growing protests would probably break out being the straw (or rather 100 mile wide asteroid) which broke the camels back in the durability downfall of the appliance industry as a whole.
The public at large may not sway GE directly, but when every builder and landlord (GE's primary customer base) begins demanding a resolution from GE, appliances offered by GE will undergo massive changes for the better. Executives, economists, governments and even psychologists would be mystified at how or why the simple introduction of a new washer model could bring about such a voracious revolution.
You're not stupid for thinking FFs were ruined. Having needs met including dignity is not about ego, rather having essential human rights fulfilled.
Goal was to Build an ultra cheap washer that pretended to wash in order to get builders and landlords to hand over their cash while taking advantage of a once prestigious reputation.
If everyone was like me 1) not a single model T sale would have ever been secured by a home owner. 2) 40 million renters and new home buyers would refuse to pay their rent or mortgage where a post FF washers is discovered demanding the builder or landlord take it off the premise for another brand. 3) Growing protests would probably break out being the straw (or rather 100 mile wide asteroid) which broke the camels back in the durability downfall of the appliance industry as a whole.
The public at large may not sway GE directly, but when every builder and landlord (GE's primary customer base) begins demanding a resolution from GE, appliances offered by GE will undergo massive changes for the better. Executives, economists, governments and even psychologists would be mystified at how or why the simple introduction of a new washer model could bring about such a voracious revolution.
You're not stupid for thinking FFs were ruined. Having needs met including dignity is not about ego, rather having essential human rights fulfilled.
* Post Filter Flo (the model T) was simply about profit...
My bad in dropping the Post word.
Filter Flo was a good washers, yes they could have used some improvements, but what followed was just horrendous.
My bad in dropping the Post word.
Filter Flo was a good washers, yes they could have used some improvements, but what followed was just horrendous.
Inventive way to mash a filter flo design into...what I believe, is a Hydrowave.
Makes me want to experiment with one of my Maytags. Dual filtering through both passive and powered methods is sort of enticing, even if overkill...
Makes me want to experiment with one of my Maytags. Dual filtering through both passive and powered methods is sort of enticing, even if overkill...
assholes at GE and their shrieking sound
I bet the assholes at GE blamed the consumer for everything. Oh, don't even get me started about that shaking cabinet during agitation. I bet GE blamed us for their stupid design. And that awful noise was so disgusting and I bet GE blamed customers for "operator error". I've had a post filter-flo GE washer after the filter-flo which did a good job cleaning nevertheless. The machines that came after had a shrieking motor which ran constantly during normal agitation, whereas the previous washer had a smooth hum. I'd rather hear the clanking suspension during spin on a filter-flo than that stupid squeaking and sawing during agitation. Whirlpool should be pissed at GE for what they did. Stupid idiots!
I bet the assholes at GE blamed the consumer for everything. Oh, don't even get me started about that shaking cabinet during agitation. I bet GE blamed us for their stupid design. And that awful noise was so disgusting and I bet GE blamed customers for "operator error". I've had a post filter-flo GE washer after the filter-flo which did a good job cleaning nevertheless. The machines that came after had a shrieking motor which ran constantly during normal agitation, whereas the previous washer had a smooth hum. I'd rather hear the clanking suspension during spin on a filter-flo than that stupid squeaking and sawing during agitation. Whirlpool should be pissed at GE for what they did. Stupid idiots!
I know this: When I and my family would contact GE for parts in the 2000s their customer service bordered on social BDSM. You weren't even having the same conversation as them in any discussion. Something as simple as ordering a bake element "ok, we will need to schedule service for you then" when I tell them I just want to order a bake element they transfer me to the small appliance division. Call again parts division they tell me general division will first need to register my appliance. That division then refuses to acknowledge my order, then transfers me to finance. Call parts again they start telling me how self clean/ program the oven having nothing to do with anything I said. Call parts they immediately transfer to warranty. Call parts again they tell me my stove isn't registered and not under warranty when I didn't even mention the age or make of the oven lol. I told them I just need order a WB44X5099 bake element they transferred me again, and again. Each time they were either rude, dismissive or antagonistic. And all of them would have this tone of 'why are you wasting my time' When someone would admit to being wrong they would continue to remain pompous afterwards. And yes many of times they would literally start blaming me out of nowhere for any question or concern I had.
Clearly they were just being used as service decoys while trained to gaslight customers on the receiving end of corporate greed.
Sadly it didn't entirely stop at GE. When their appliances began dropping like flies the rental offices would literally put the blame on the tenants. It appeared that GE literally told management that tenants were at fault based on what maintenance would tell me and others. Like putting dishes dirty in the dishwashers wasn't what it was intended for and it would cause the seals to leak? LOL. Laundry wasn't meant to be used daily. Lower refrigerator shelf was meant for bread only. Until maintenance brought a seriously beefed up assmebly to replace the paper tin one that would crack down the middle. Office would say softener was behind dryer fires. Impossible for the handle to break of the micro. I remember being in the rental office when a lady called saying her replaced 1 month ago GE garbage disposal was dead again. Lady in the office asked the manager "sigh, what do I tell her?" Manager says they aren't coming back to fix it again, but to word it in such a way where she thinks they will drop by down the road. Tenants would often call GE service on their own terms to avoid to runaround with property management or them deducting security deposit.
It was not until 2010 that the property owners woke up and began placing Whirlpool appliances in the units. But not after tenants took blame for 10 years, wrote poor reviews about maintenance refusing to fix things and spending their own money.
I could go on, I won't lol.
Thanks for letting me rant and vent Jerome. GE truly wanted to wick up whatever they could from their past legacy.
Clearly they were just being used as service decoys while trained to gaslight customers on the receiving end of corporate greed.
Sadly it didn't entirely stop at GE. When their appliances began dropping like flies the rental offices would literally put the blame on the tenants. It appeared that GE literally told management that tenants were at fault based on what maintenance would tell me and others. Like putting dishes dirty in the dishwashers wasn't what it was intended for and it would cause the seals to leak? LOL. Laundry wasn't meant to be used daily. Lower refrigerator shelf was meant for bread only. Until maintenance brought a seriously beefed up assmebly to replace the paper tin one that would crack down the middle. Office would say softener was behind dryer fires. Impossible for the handle to break of the micro. I remember being in the rental office when a lady called saying her replaced 1 month ago GE garbage disposal was dead again. Lady in the office asked the manager "sigh, what do I tell her?" Manager says they aren't coming back to fix it again, but to word it in such a way where she thinks they will drop by down the road. Tenants would often call GE service on their own terms to avoid to runaround with property management or them deducting security deposit.
It was not until 2010 that the property owners woke up and began placing Whirlpool appliances in the units. But not after tenants took blame for 10 years, wrote poor reviews about maintenance refusing to fix things and spending their own money.
I could go on, I won't lol.
Thanks for letting me rant and vent Jerome. GE truly wanted to wick up whatever they could from their past legacy.
"Clearly they were just being used as service decoys while trained to gaslight customers on the receiving end of corporate greed."
You can thank Jack Welch for that transition.
I see a lot of boomer bashing on the internet by millennials and gen z about modern day problems stemming from the past but the beginnings of it all from those in power went further back a generation or so (Jack Welch was NOT a boomer). The only thing I fault boomers is going along with the corrupt "system" that they were well aware of (and getting filthy rich in the making) instead of rebelling. Hopefully the younger generation will patch things up but I'm not holding my breath.
You can thank Jack Welch for that transition.
I see a lot of boomer bashing on the internet by millennials and gen z about modern day problems stemming from the past but the beginnings of it all from those in power went further back a generation or so (Jack Welch was NOT a boomer). The only thing I fault boomers is going along with the corrupt "system" that they were well aware of (and getting filthy rich in the making) instead of rebelling. Hopefully the younger generation will patch things up but I'm not holding my breath.
Interesting
I’m guessing somebody added the filter flow system, this is a transmission washer not a Hydro wave machine. The tub does not index in these machines. It does jerk back-and-forth with the agitation but the tub never moves.
The filter flow system is not a very effective way of catching lint because the filter was moving. It just sifted the lint through the filter. The only thing you ever saw and it was pet hair, which is what led people to believe. They actually trapped a lot of pet hair.
The T model washers were a huge improvement for GE every customer that we had that got one loved it compared to the old machine that they had to chase around the laundry room because of vibration problems. They also love the fact that they didn’t get the redeposited stuff on dark colored clothing, because of the neutral drain in the T models. The new T models did have some significant reliability problems however, the GE worked out over the next five years or so.
John
I’m guessing somebody added the filter flow system, this is a transmission washer not a Hydro wave machine. The tub does not index in these machines. It does jerk back-and-forth with the agitation but the tub never moves.
The filter flow system is not a very effective way of catching lint because the filter was moving. It just sifted the lint through the filter. The only thing you ever saw and it was pet hair, which is what led people to believe. They actually trapped a lot of pet hair.
The T model washers were a huge improvement for GE every customer that we had that got one loved it compared to the old machine that they had to chase around the laundry room because of vibration problems. They also love the fact that they didn’t get the redeposited stuff on dark colored clothing, because of the neutral drain in the T models. The new T models did have some significant reliability problems however, the GE worked out over the next five years or so.
John
chetlaham and others
Thank you for your time. Say what you need to say. Combo52, GE should've added the filter-flo to this lineup from the beginning. QSD Dan, I do blame Jack Welch for this wholeheartedly. He wanted filter-flo out of the pitcure because it was too god for customers.
Thank you for your time. Say what you need to say. Combo52, GE should've added the filter-flo to this lineup from the beginning. QSD Dan, I do blame Jack Welch for this wholeheartedly. He wanted filter-flo out of the pitcure because it was too god for customers.
Thank you Jerome for letting me speak, these things need to be said! I think Welch simply wanted the FF out of the picture because it took to much raw material to make and simply lasted way to long.
@Combo: IF you want a washer to stop walking across the floor put a milk stool suspension in it instead of hanging it off the cabinet. There is no suspension system that comes close to Speed Queen.
@Combo: IF you want a washer to stop walking across the floor put a milk stool suspension in it instead of hanging it off the cabinet. There is no suspension system that comes close to Speed Queen.
The only top loaders that had a lot of walking problems were
GE filter, flow washers, Maytag, dependable care washers, and the original unimatic washers
No modern washer with a suspended suspension system has walking problems that I’ve seen.
John
GE filter, flow washers, Maytag, dependable care washers, and the original unimatic washers
No modern washer with a suspended suspension system has walking problems that I’ve seen.
John
Our Maytag never walked, but I made sure it was properly leveled, and the feet securely fastened. Neighbor Thelma had the 1969 GE for many years, and I never heard them say anything about it moving out of place. Only washer we had that walked was the 1955 Westinghouse Laundromat, which once went so far it unplugged itself.
Living in Hawai'i now without a clothes dryer is fine but I do miss my Filter-Flo and Wards burpalator for removing some lint..!
@GSD-Dan: I think it came from the way the silent generation raised their kids- through behaviorism and corporal means- children to be seen but not heard- amalgamated in a world with a booming post war economy.
Children are excellent observers but horrible interrupters. Raising children through punitive means creates adults who 1) believe that force or violence via an omniscient authority is a problem solving technique 2) believe that all human behavior is shaped by motivation- ie all human behavior and its outcomes are consciously chosen by an individual person through hedonism.
The post war economy and near unlimited freedom (back then) meant that people could earn their way to homes, cars, ect, have kids, learn, succeed, have leisure time and ultimately be happy through relatively easy effort with no boundaries or barriers in place when a sincere effort was exerted. The system worked very well for those who could.
Result of the two factors being that boomers assume that any and all downfalls in this world are of an individuals own doing and not that of a failing system, discrimination, inequality, disease, disability, poverty, lagging skills or any other factor beyond an individual humans control. People are misinterpreted as just being lazy or choosing a certain "lifestyle choice". Leading to those making such inferences to live in a self centered and self applied world view.
The solution to perceived world problems real or imagined is motivation and its science of applied behaviorism- a utopia through stimulus guided human behavior applied and determined by a central governing authority- which has directly influenced everything from economics, to business, to finance, to foreign policy, to education, to criminal justice, to psychology, to psychiatry, to medicine, to child development, to civics, to laws, to philosophy, to advertising, to culture, and absolutely everything in between.
Of course since this fundamental basis is pertinently wrong things either get worse or don't change.
End result being an entire generation and a society as a whole which assumes all observable outcomes besides their own are of an individuals own fault and that authority should never be questioned or challenged. Complete ignorance of civic duty which democracy was founded upon. Which is the epitome of ironic when freedom and dignity are what created all the prosperity civilization currently enjoys only to have the "greatest" minds of the boomer generation saying we must move beyond the very thing that gave them everything they have to live for.
Hence where we are today with GE.
Children are excellent observers but horrible interrupters. Raising children through punitive means creates adults who 1) believe that force or violence via an omniscient authority is a problem solving technique 2) believe that all human behavior is shaped by motivation- ie all human behavior and its outcomes are consciously chosen by an individual person through hedonism.
The post war economy and near unlimited freedom (back then) meant that people could earn their way to homes, cars, ect, have kids, learn, succeed, have leisure time and ultimately be happy through relatively easy effort with no boundaries or barriers in place when a sincere effort was exerted. The system worked very well for those who could.
Result of the two factors being that boomers assume that any and all downfalls in this world are of an individuals own doing and not that of a failing system, discrimination, inequality, disease, disability, poverty, lagging skills or any other factor beyond an individual humans control. People are misinterpreted as just being lazy or choosing a certain "lifestyle choice". Leading to those making such inferences to live in a self centered and self applied world view.
The solution to perceived world problems real or imagined is motivation and its science of applied behaviorism- a utopia through stimulus guided human behavior applied and determined by a central governing authority- which has directly influenced everything from economics, to business, to finance, to foreign policy, to education, to criminal justice, to psychology, to psychiatry, to medicine, to child development, to civics, to laws, to philosophy, to advertising, to culture, and absolutely everything in between.
Of course since this fundamental basis is pertinently wrong things either get worse or don't change.
End result being an entire generation and a society as a whole which assumes all observable outcomes besides their own are of an individuals own fault and that authority should never be questioned or challenged. Complete ignorance of civic duty which democracy was founded upon. Which is the epitome of ironic when freedom and dignity are what created all the prosperity civilization currently enjoys only to have the "greatest" minds of the boomer generation saying we must move beyond the very thing that gave them everything they have to live for.
Hence where we are today with GE.
It’s interesting when people claim that today’s problems are because of such and such age demographic or generation, the reality is the seeds for everything that’s going on today were planted a long, long time ago.
Sometimes, I think it’s the Lost Generation and the generation that became before them (who knows what generation that was) that basically planted the seeds for the problems of the 21st century (I know, sort of contradicting myself a little). Since the Lost generation were horrible towards their silent generation, they didn’t know any better and couldn’t think for themselves. Then, the Silent generation started having kids of their own (raised gen x, though some of gen x had boomer parents) and unfortunately, repeated the mistakes their parents made. When Gen X started having kids of their own (my age demographic/generation), they decided enough is enough and were never going to be like their parents and would do all means necessary to protect their children from the dangers of the outside world and here we are.
Sometimes, I think it’s the Lost Generation and the generation that became before them (who knows what generation that was) that basically planted the seeds for the problems of the 21st century (I know, sort of contradicting myself a little). Since the Lost generation were horrible towards their silent generation, they didn’t know any better and couldn’t think for themselves. Then, the Silent generation started having kids of their own (raised gen x, though some of gen x had boomer parents) and unfortunately, repeated the mistakes their parents made. When Gen X started having kids of their own (my age demographic/generation), they decided enough is enough and were never going to be like their parents and would do all means necessary to protect their children from the dangers of the outside world and here we are.
What G.E.?
Good lord those hairy hands and arms!
Good lord those hairy hands and arms!
GE filter-flo transmissions and post filter-flo transmission
The transmissions on each model are vastly different. The old-style filter-flo had a beefy transmission whereas the new-style GE transmission was puny. I bet Jack Welch wanted the oil in the GE post filter-flo to be watered down so that the transmissions will leak quickly. I bet that it was so thin that the gears could shriek like their motors do. GE filter-flo washer oil was nice and thick so that the machine will run smoothly. Count on it! Somebody tell me I'm wrong! I bet that's also WHY their transmissions do that double knock during agitation where as the GE filter-flo didn't!
The transmissions on each model are vastly different. The old-style filter-flo had a beefy transmission whereas the new-style GE transmission was puny. I bet Jack Welch wanted the oil in the GE post filter-flo to be watered down so that the transmissions will leak quickly. I bet that it was so thin that the gears could shriek like their motors do. GE filter-flo washer oil was nice and thick so that the machine will run smoothly. Count on it! Somebody tell me I'm wrong! I bet that's also WHY their transmissions do that double knock during agitation where as the GE filter-flo didn't!
CHETLATHAM:
A very ingenious assessment you have made on what's called Under New Management and as far as myself is concerned I don't have that option at my job to just resign or step down if ever make enough from what I do labouring for such companies...
(Or maybe in terms of what I am working for, that's a lot of doing without!)
-- Dave
A very ingenious assessment you have made on what's called Under New Management and as far as myself is concerned I don't have that option at my job to just resign or step down if ever make enough from what I do labouring for such companies...
(Or maybe in terms of what I am working for, that's a lot of doing without!)
-- Dave
@Sean- forgive me, that would be my mistake. A bit of a Freudian slip, my mind is still on those GSD-500 through GSD2800 Potscrubbers from the 80s. I still think about them so that sometimes comes out in unwanted ways. My apologies.
@dave: Right, because you are the only one who would step down if you acted upon it. If everyone at once stepped down or peacefully protested pay and work conditions would improve for the better for everyone involved. One or two people can be dismissed, hundreds and thousands can not. Its works like this with everything. Everyone has a civic duty to preserve the rights of everyone else regardless of what government/management/ect say.
Anyway- my point is consumers let government, trends, consumer reports and manufacturers tell them what they ought to like, whats new, and what to buy. People are afraid to state or act on what they know to be incontrovertible deep down. If people shopped for no strings attached results instead of bling, we'd see the improvement of GE FF washers instead of its discontinuation.
I think all top load washers should recirculate that water through a filter. I know I would love to have that feature in my Speed Queen from when I leave tissues in a coat pocket or a comforter explodes lol. Yes I wash comforters in TLs
@dave: Right, because you are the only one who would step down if you acted upon it. If everyone at once stepped down or peacefully protested pay and work conditions would improve for the better for everyone involved. One or two people can be dismissed, hundreds and thousands can not. Its works like this with everything. Everyone has a civic duty to preserve the rights of everyone else regardless of what government/management/ect say.
Anyway- my point is consumers let government, trends, consumer reports and manufacturers tell them what they ought to like, whats new, and what to buy. People are afraid to state or act on what they know to be incontrovertible deep down. If people shopped for no strings attached results instead of bling, we'd see the improvement of GE FF washers instead of its discontinuation.
I think all top load washers should recirculate that water through a filter. I know I would love to have that feature in my Speed Queen from when I leave tissues in a coat pocket or a comforter explodes lol. Yes I wash comforters in TLs
@Jerome: I think the double knock is from the agitate gears pushing against the transmission housing driving it in the opposite direction of each agitator stroke cause the brake to re-engage and knock. Of course with the whole assembly shaking back and forth that adds a lot of other noises as well.
to chetlaham
That is what I suspect. I have a feeling that GE used a watered down gear oil to compensate for that stupid crappy tiny transmission, instead of mounting their massive transmission in the filter-flo to the transmission with the same gear oil atop the motor or put it underneath it.
That is what I suspect. I have a feeling that GE used a watered down gear oil to compensate for that stupid crappy tiny transmission, instead of mounting their massive transmission in the filter-flo to the transmission with the same gear oil atop the motor or put it underneath it.
I'd love to know what GE did to their oil, I'm rather clueless in that regard. I agree GE should have either re-used or redesigned their transmission to be massive. Two improvements to the fitler flo would have been reducing the space between the inner and outer tubs and second bringing in a milk stool suspension like Speed Queen or Maytag Performa. GE could have purchased the Raytheon/Goodman design like Speed Queen did and improve the design to fix the seal/bearing problems.
You know, GE could have technically put the clutch and motor directly underneath the transmission making the ultimate Direct Drive design. That would have worked to but the cabinet might need to be a few inches taller to accommodate the pump and movement.
You know, GE could have technically put the clutch and motor directly underneath the transmission making the ultimate Direct Drive design. That would have worked to but the cabinet might need to be a few inches taller to accommodate the pump and movement.
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