GE profile filter-flo

[gelaundry4ever]

GE washer

Thank you Chet. In a perfect world, GE would explain the differences between the 2 lubricants that were used in their transmissions.

 

[Chetlaham]

Welcome.

 

GE probably didn't put in the effort to explain because in GE's eyes the model T transmission was merely an "assembly" replaced as a whole. GE used to have rebuilding programs for their FF transmissions. FF transmission could be opened, repaired and put back into service. Model Ts were merely disposables. In fact most model Ts were scrapped rather than rebuilt or repaired.

 

But I will say this, I am kicking myself for not opening up a post FF transmission now. As they saying goes- know your enemy. I didn't care too at the time which I now regret.    

 

[gelaundry4ever]

GE model t

If I could, I would like to compare the model t to the filter-flo based on their gear oil smell and thickness. I think GE wanted to water it down so their gears will rust. They should've added thick cut gears for reliability.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

motor all at full speed

They should've left the motor all running at full speed while changing speeds through the clutch like GE did. I'd like the normal agitation to start slow for a few seconds, then jump to fast speed.

 

[Chetlaham]

See if you can order a used transmission of ebay or a service tech hear can email you one. There are more than plenty to go around. 

 

Regarding the two speed clutch I think it was a poor design. The speed shifters constantly broke off. Nearly every FF in the apartment scrap pile I saw had an inoperative slow speed. These were near BOL machines where the slow speed was built into the Permanent Press cycle. So anytime someone used PP the slow speed was engaged. Didn't take long for it to disappear. 

 

Honestly- make all FFs single speed. If you want delicate wash action simply used a 2 piece agitator and the poly knit cycle. Or use the mini basket.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

GE 2 speed

How do you think GE could've started the normal agitation looking back after the filter-flo was discontinued? I've had both GE pairs and they did get the clothes clean nonetheless.

 

[Chetlaham]

Just drop the motor across the line. Either a centrifugal start winding or split cap winding for direction. GE did both of these post FF. 

 

[gelaundry4ever]

motor humming

Do you prefer a nice humming motor, or the high pitch shrieking it does on normal/fast on post filter-flos?

 

[Chetlaham]

Prefer the old humming motor and the indestructible motor windings.

 

 

Technically a PSC motor is even quieter because you have another magnetic field 90* out of phase with the primary. I wish all washers had PSC motors though I can understand the economy behind centrifugal start motors. 

 

 

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Old vs. new motors

What do you think of the quality of both motors in each machine? What do you think of the new motors? Please tell me what you think of this article and feel free to analyze it and point out what's missing. Thank you.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/GE+laundry+push:+line+retooled+to+take+on+the+leaders.-a017104660

 

[Chetlaham]

Thank you for the article. Fascinating read, despite the blood pressure spike it gave me. Wow! To see a turd hyped up like that is just nauseating.  Just wow.  And they even shamelessly advertised it on national television LOL! There are claims that don't make much sense- my understanding is that GE laundry was selling more than Maytag with Maytag being a rather poor example to compete against in a number of ways. And of course down right lies- such as performance, being quiet and dependability. But to think GE could compete with luxury market is for me is laughable yet was shockingly accurate in reality to a sad extent. It goes to show you how many upscale buyers, even today are swayed by size and features vs durability and longevity and GE exploited that to the fullest. GE not only coned landlords but also upscale buyers. Love the reference to Disney too- the power of keeping people in a pesdo dream like state.

 

 

<blockquote>
A favorite activity here was listening to the dryer door going "thunk" like the one in a luxury car. According to Larry Johnston, GE Appliances' vice president of sales and distribution: "The secret weapon, and I think the hidden story here, is the dryer. When the dealers slammed the door it was all over."

One of the retailers who responded favorably to the presentation was Dennis D'Angelo, the white-goods buyer for Tops Appliance City. "They made sort of a quantum leap with their laundary," he commented. "There are a lot of salient consumer features.

 

 

 

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These quotes are also revealing. It shows how people shop and judge on superficiality vs the state of actual product or lack there of.

 

Very revealing article, an unfiltered look inside GE's mind. I can't thank you enough Jerome.  

 

[gelaundry4ever]

GE commercial

GE thinks they're backing up their claims with this stupid commercial. Where did they get their engineers from, Harvard? And yet people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. This commercial deserves a reaction. Like we're too stupid to figure it out. I swear when my GE agitated at normal/fast speed it felt like it was gonna fall apart but it never really dawned on me at the time when it was purchased on a Friday and installed and used the next day and ran its first load that afternoon. I swear, that machine squeaked like it was dying. Heavy duty motor my ass. Excuse my language, but this really pisses me off to think they can foist these sorry excuses onto us. Did you catch the part where they mentioned steel in transmissions and oil capacity?
What about the agitation comparing Maytag and Whirlpool? They didn't say the specific brand when comparing washability, but we all know who. Heavy duty motor with copper windings and a single speed clutch? Please. That motor sounds like it's screaming for help when running at full speed. Again, we can all guess what oil they used in their transmissions compared to previous models. I am so sick and tired of that stupid hanging suspension. Hundreds of engineers? More like hundreds of stupid idiots. You're welcome Chetlaham. GE must think we're so stupid to figure them out. I don't just want clean clothes. I want durable appliances. GE also seems to think that a tiny transmission can handle all that massive torque. They should've put the transmission on top of the motor and have made it a true direct drive to compete and they should've mounted the pump directly to the motor. And they claim that their plastic tubs are durable and stand up to abuse. What do they think we're stupid?[this post was last edited: 2/21/2024-20:44]

 

[Chetlaham]

Classic appeal to the personality type you're selling to. Get an upscale actor, with class, to recommend a certain type of washing machine and next thing you know every upscale housewife is incautiously searching for said washer in an appliance store equipped with prescriptive sales people to compel a successful sale.  

 

 

You might not be stupid; but trust, fantasy and withholding pertinent information blinds. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chetlaham]

What was GE thinking

Simple- extract what ever money remained in their equity. They knew there washers wouldn't last from the start. It was simply about having a decoy to get people to spend. By the time word got around executives took the money and ran. This practice is as common as air.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

GE engineers

Where did GE get their engineers from? What was being done behind the scenes? If I could, I would eavesdrop on their conversations so that I can get the coldhearted truth out that it's not about quality, it's about quantity. Oh, go ahead and every part that was discussed in the artical including their claims about their motors that were used and their suspension. Don't forget about the transmission and the thin sheet of water filling the tub and the plastic floor. These stupid engineers, I can rant forever.

 

[Chetlaham]

Most likely they were given a concise objective- build an ultra capacity washer but as cheaply and materially efficient as possible. Most likely they went to their Hitachi design as it was the cheapest and lightest weighing and copied upon that.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

motors

What do you think of their motors?

 

[Chetlaham]

I don't think the model T motor with the centrifugal switch was that bad, but I think the FF motors from the 80s and 90s were probably one of the best washer motors ever made. 

 

[gelaundry4ever]

sound

What about the sound of the motors when they run at normal/fast speed? What do you think of them?

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

GELaundry mentioning the hanging suspension:

Curious about that design and love seeing open cabinets revealing it...

Wish I had even seen my grandma's Kmart General Electric's suspension but I was never over when she got her washer fixed so unfortunately I'd never seen a "naked" GE in real life...

-- Dave