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Everyone should start doing that with POS things that die before they should. Perhaps then the companies would listen to the customers instead of the bean counters. There used to be a truck around here that had spray painted on the side "A $20,000 Ford lemon" and had a lemon tree stuck in the bed.
pierreandreply4
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where I live a neighbor had that new ge model had to replace it washer was leaving orange spots on clean clothes neighbor now has a whirlpool washer dryer set
vacerator
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Uh Oh!
hamburger, hot dog!
GE quality is no worse than any others today. My whirlpool product used to leave marks where the basket holes were too, until all the residue from manufacturing flushed away.
The board in my GE dishwasher was warranted for 5 years. It is rare when a water valve fails that early on. Maybe the house had a water hammer issue that can wear out the seals.
As a member said last week, wash boards last longer.
hamburger, hot dog!
GE quality is no worse than any others today. My whirlpool product used to leave marks where the basket holes were too, until all the residue from manufacturing flushed away.
The board in my GE dishwasher was warranted for 5 years. It is rare when a water valve fails that early on. Maybe the house had a water hammer issue that can wear out the seals.
As a member said last week, wash boards last longer.
As a "past" avid GE fan, their quality has always been hit or miss.
Luckily more "hit" than miss for our family.
But my last GE dishwasher only lasted 2.5yrs before the racks started rusting, and the wash arms started coming un-welded.
Everything they make now is warranted only 1yr max.
WP's warranties aren't THAT much better, but in a way they are.
MT has the 10yr thing going on certain parts.
My new KA dw has a full 5yr warranty on the racks AND control board.
Lifetime on the stainless tub.
The KA is also markedly better built from a customer touch-point aspect.
Luckily more "hit" than miss for our family.
But my last GE dishwasher only lasted 2.5yrs before the racks started rusting, and the wash arms started coming un-welded.
Everything they make now is warranted only 1yr max.
WP's warranties aren't THAT much better, but in a way they are.
MT has the 10yr thing going on certain parts.
My new KA dw has a full 5yr warranty on the racks AND control board.
Lifetime on the stainless tub.
The KA is also markedly better built from a customer touch-point aspect.
We've been having a lot of issues with that very model and the 850s with bad water valves out of the box. I wonder what their suppliers are pulling?
speedqueen
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GE was one of the first to cheapen their products, starting in the early 1950s they came out with electric fans that were nearly impossible to service and were outfitted with plastic gears, I own one, it is irreparable, as a gear is stripped. GE's consumer electronics were bottom of the barrel in the '50s '60s and '70s, PCBs that would crack from the tube heat before any other manufacturer's boards. You can't find 1960s GE color TV sets as they all failed years ago, RCA, Zenith, or Magnavox sets sets you can easily find. I just got a NOS GE 35C5 output tube that came out of the box with an HK short. That, to me, is GE quality. GE's refrigerators are fine, their FilterFlo washers aren't bad, I own one, they are however brimming with design compromises born out of cheapness. For example, they are the only manufacturer that took a solid tub washer design and just put a perforated tub in it instead of completely redesigning it as they should have to eliminate the ridiculous water usage. The clutch arrangement was born out of advertising, not engineering, as such that is a component that doesn't wear very well over time.
Their modern products are born of the same school, just more so than ever, we had a GE china made front load washer a few years ago, it only lasted 4 years before the bearings gave out, an irreparable problem on GE machines. I know of a post-FilterFlo design TL washer that couldn't have had more 500 loads in it before the transmission failed.
Their modern products are born of the same school, just more so than ever, we had a GE china made front load washer a few years ago, it only lasted 4 years before the bearings gave out, an irreparable problem on GE machines. I know of a post-FilterFlo design TL washer that couldn't have had more 500 loads in it before the transmission failed.
vacerator
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I had a 1987
RCA Colortrack 27 inch stereo monitor/reciever. Hi fi sound was great, and no trouble until it was almost ten years old. A $200 repair to the start up circuit, and it lasted 5 more years.
We still have an '82 25 inch oak swivel console too.
RCA Colortrack 27 inch stereo monitor/reciever. Hi fi sound was great, and no trouble until it was almost ten years old. A $200 repair to the start up circuit, and it lasted 5 more years.
We still have an '82 25 inch oak swivel console too.
vacerator
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Maybe China is delberatley
sabotaging GE to force the USA to buy Haier? I hope I'm wrong, but....... Neva say neva.
sabotaging GE to force the USA to buy Haier? I hope I'm wrong, but....... Neva say neva.
What scares me is that GE makes jet engines and medical equipment.....
have you ever seen a MRI working without the cover?
have you ever seen a MRI working without the cover?
You know how much those are?
A jet engine or MRI are about 10 times more expensive when calculated down to single use cycles, guesstimated...
BTW pretty certain that's a CT and not an MRI...
A jet engine or MRI are about 10 times more expensive when calculated down to single use cycles, guesstimated...
BTW pretty certain that's a CT and not an MRI...
When consumers demand better quailty
it will be provided.
There is nothing "lost" in terms of being able to product a quality product. No, the people who once designed and engineered quality items are not banished to Mars, they have not been killed off, nor are they in hiding
Rather we've been duped into thinking when in doubt cheaper is better. We demand it and manufacturers either cheapen and/or outsource production to 3rd world sweatshops.
Throw in Wall Streets unending demand for ROI and we have a perfect storm of five star junk not just in appliances but pretty much anything we buy these days.
Extended warranties along with rebates are a tacit admission from the manufacturer that says, in effect, we really don't have much faith in our product and neither do you so to alleviate your concerns, here's a rebate and/or extended warranty (which we'll fight tooth and nail to honor).
And sadly, most people simply no longer care enough to raise hell about this sorry state of affairs.
it will be provided.
There is nothing "lost" in terms of being able to product a quality product. No, the people who once designed and engineered quality items are not banished to Mars, they have not been killed off, nor are they in hiding
Rather we've been duped into thinking when in doubt cheaper is better. We demand it and manufacturers either cheapen and/or outsource production to 3rd world sweatshops.
Throw in Wall Streets unending demand for ROI and we have a perfect storm of five star junk not just in appliances but pretty much anything we buy these days.
Extended warranties along with rebates are a tacit admission from the manufacturer that says, in effect, we really don't have much faith in our product and neither do you so to alleviate your concerns, here's a rebate and/or extended warranty (which we'll fight tooth and nail to honor).
And sadly, most people simply no longer care enough to raise hell about this sorry state of affairs.
vacerator
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Oh really?
Consumers have been demanding better quality for ever. If they wait, and wait, they never buy anything.
Manufacturing is globally conglomerated today. Parts are sourced from many of the same makers by many different brands and companies. Zeitgeist.
If the global population continues to rise unchecked, products may be shared by an entire small community. Each will have their day and time to use them. Like rationing. Water may be close to being rationed already.
Daikin now owns Goodman. It's Japanese. That makes Goodman a middle man. Same as any company selling United Technologies units.
Yawn and buy it anyway. I'm over 58. It's been going on since I can remember. A machine no matter how well it is designed or built can still break. Same as people. Robots break also. Even Lexus has recalls now.
Change is already well into the wheels of the future.
GM and Ford co developed a 6 speed automatic fwd transmission. When Packard did their own alone, it bankrupted them.
So go on, build a factory, make and sell a better appliance or vehicle. See how long and well you can compete. Even custom made furniture is super expensive.
Get with the program. The past is past.
I've pondered being self sufficient off of the grid. It's very costly, unless you want to live like Grizzly Adams.
Consumers have been demanding better quality for ever. If they wait, and wait, they never buy anything.
Manufacturing is globally conglomerated today. Parts are sourced from many of the same makers by many different brands and companies. Zeitgeist.
If the global population continues to rise unchecked, products may be shared by an entire small community. Each will have their day and time to use them. Like rationing. Water may be close to being rationed already.
Daikin now owns Goodman. It's Japanese. That makes Goodman a middle man. Same as any company selling United Technologies units.
Yawn and buy it anyway. I'm over 58. It's been going on since I can remember. A machine no matter how well it is designed or built can still break. Same as people. Robots break also. Even Lexus has recalls now.
Change is already well into the wheels of the future.
GM and Ford co developed a 6 speed automatic fwd transmission. When Packard did their own alone, it bankrupted them.
So go on, build a factory, make and sell a better appliance or vehicle. See how long and well you can compete. Even custom made furniture is super expensive.
Get with the program. The past is past.
I've pondered being self sufficient off of the grid. It's very costly, unless you want to live like Grizzly Adams.
I cannot live like Grizzly adam
don't like a rug on my face and I still need a once per week session with the Speed Queen.
If quality doesn't matter, explain how RR is the #2 in aircraft engines. Explain why RR is still building cars. Why is Miele still going strong? Why are Alden and Allen Edmonds shoes still around and shockingly still made here? Why does Wustoff still make knives in high cost Germany when there are gobs of cheaper knives around?
You're a bit off base. Consumers care less about quality. They only care about price.
don't like a rug on my face and I still need a once per week session with the Speed Queen.
If quality doesn't matter, explain how RR is the #2 in aircraft engines. Explain why RR is still building cars. Why is Miele still going strong? Why are Alden and Allen Edmonds shoes still around and shockingly still made here? Why does Wustoff still make knives in high cost Germany when there are gobs of cheaper knives around?
You're a bit off base. Consumers care less about quality. They only care about price.
vacerator
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Rolls Royce cars
today are built by BMW, and Bentley by VW Audi, as is Lamborghini. Only the final assembly is still Crewe, and Goodwood.
Not all Wustoff cutlery is made in Solingen. Some says made in China/German steel. Not all Mercedes are made in Germany either. Some in the USA, some in Mexico, some in Asia. Miele low end C1 canister vacs come from China as well. Chrysler/Jeep products for Europe are assembled in Graz Austria by Magna Steyer.
That was what I meant earlier.
today are built by BMW, and Bentley by VW Audi, as is Lamborghini. Only the final assembly is still Crewe, and Goodwood.
Not all Wustoff cutlery is made in Solingen. Some says made in China/German steel. Not all Mercedes are made in Germany either. Some in the USA, some in Mexico, some in Asia. Miele low end C1 canister vacs come from China as well. Chrysler/Jeep products for Europe are assembled in Graz Austria by Magna Steyer.
That was what I meant earlier.
norgeway
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I think we all can agree
EVERYONES quality was better,,,,MUCH better in the 50s and even early 60s, then it started to slide, All you have to do is move my 1959 Westinghouse stove then move one of these new stoves, look at it, open and shut the oven, use it, Look at a 50 GE range then a 60 then a 70 then a 80 then a 90 and on and on, every year they cheapen something, Take vacuum cleaners, GEs first canister, the 1952 AVC-815, this was a beautifully finished good machine, it had a 10 foot cloth braid hose, beautiful attachments and a detailed instruction manual, the first models had a chrome blower cover and metal switch pedal, within the year, the blower cover and switch were changed to plastic, the next year the beautiful instruction book was changed to a simple pamphlet, and the step on switch was changed to a cheap toggle switch, and the fabric brush was gone, the next year the attachments were changed,,,,get the drift, every year it was cheapened, just like every other thing made..face it, the quality is gone.
EVERYONES quality was better,,,,MUCH better in the 50s and even early 60s, then it started to slide, All you have to do is move my 1959 Westinghouse stove then move one of these new stoves, look at it, open and shut the oven, use it, Look at a 50 GE range then a 60 then a 70 then a 80 then a 90 and on and on, every year they cheapen something, Take vacuum cleaners, GEs first canister, the 1952 AVC-815, this was a beautifully finished good machine, it had a 10 foot cloth braid hose, beautiful attachments and a detailed instruction manual, the first models had a chrome blower cover and metal switch pedal, within the year, the blower cover and switch were changed to plastic, the next year the beautiful instruction book was changed to a simple pamphlet, and the step on switch was changed to a cheap toggle switch, and the fabric brush was gone, the next year the attachments were changed,,,,get the drift, every year it was cheapened, just like every other thing made..face it, the quality is gone.
This is EXACTLY why, when I decided to switch from Miele to GE Profile (dishwasher) about two years ago, I purchased an additional 5 year parts and labor warranty on my Profile DW. So far, so good. I only switched, and reluctantly at that, because it is impossible to get Miele service in the capitol city of South Carolina.
Our last Miele retailer and servicer went BR about two years ago, and now, if something should happen to my Miele WD set, I don't know what I'd do, except perhaps PAY for a servicer to come from Atlanta or Charlotte.
I went with GE because it was a childhood brand that I knew...but not trust, necessarily. Hence the warranty on the DW.
Our last Miele retailer and servicer went BR about two years ago, and now, if something should happen to my Miele WD set, I don't know what I'd do, except perhaps PAY for a servicer to come from Atlanta or Charlotte.
I went with GE because it was a childhood brand that I knew...but not trust, necessarily. Hence the warranty on the DW.
pierreandreply4
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if you had the choice today
hello to all aw members if you had the choice today would you go with the newer modern ge washer in post number 1 or a good old fashion filter flo if you had the choice like in this video?
hello to all aw members if you had the choice today would you go with the newer modern ge washer in post number 1 or a good old fashion filter flo if you had the choice like in this video?
vacerator
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You just had to ask that.
Even the b.o.l. early 90's for $299 over todays, but consider the weight and extra raw material in those (not including the concrete block) and that is why we don't have the choice.
Even the b.o.l. early 90's for $299 over todays, but consider the weight and extra raw material in those (not including the concrete block) and that is why we don't have the choice.
