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I was very surprised when I just looked at the last testing of washers done by consumer reports. A standard GE toploader actually showed up as one of their recommended machines. Has their reliability problems been improved at all? I was always under the impressions that these machines were trouble prone and tended to leak.
 
GE RELIABILITY

CRs only goes back about a half dozen years in thier reliably reporting. It can be a good indicator of initial quality but tells you little of the longevity of major appliances. I always thought they should ask you what machine you had before and how long it lasted. They do the same thing with cars, Hondas and Toyotas hold up very well in the short run but still cost more to keep running than many domestic cars do if you keep your car 10-15 years and 100-200,000 miles like I do. I have always said when all the cab companies and other fleet operators start running Asian cars I will sit up and take notice.
 
Machine Flavors

I think the reports on CR are very difficult to distinguish as many manufactures have 2 or 3 flavors of machines in their lineup. One of the three might have problems and the other 2 boost the ratings. I use CR as a very loose guideline in their reviews of anything and everything.

Malcolm
 
CRs RELIABILITY RATINGS

Good points Malcolm, One of the other many big flaws in thier ratings is thier attempt to rate brands like Kenmore. KM branded dishwashers are made by at least 5 different companies over the last 10 years. There refrigerators at least 5 and laundry 3 different companies. This makes thier reliability ratings useless for the KM brand, they should instead when rating an appliance say the DW is made by WP and should have similar reliability to other WP built DWs.
 
combo52:Time to sit up and take notice

Hi Combo52,

Picture it: Cambridge and Boston MA, 2010/11
The Crown Vics and Grand Marquis are rapidly disappearing and in there place are Camry Hybrids and Sienna Mini Vans. There are some Ford Fusions in the mix.
I'd say that for the most part the hybrids are very popular as cabs in Cambridge/Boston.

I'm not praising this turn of events, just stating a fact.
 
Could you tell me ... I'm new to reading CR and am finding all the information available there and on-line overwhelming.

I am in the market for a new washer/dryer pair. I thought Miele W4842/T9822 would be the best (or so I've been told several times).

When I start to research the pair I'm left unsure what to buy. While I’m not thrilled about the cost of them, I am willing to pay it for machines that perform well and are reliable. I do not want to pay the price just for a name that does not deliver on its promise.

While CR rates the washer (W4842) fairly well - 12th (score 80 vs top score 87). The dryer is worse ... score 64 vs top score 83. The dryer was worrisome to me before I read that. I think it looks small and I've been told (even by Miele) that it is noisy.

You all seem to be much savier than I with all this information, how does one "weed" through it and feel confident in a good purchase?

How does one not be an “ignorant consumer” who is misguided in what to buy? If not CR, where are we supposed to get information or are we just supposed to go with our “gut”?
 
Great(er) Expectations???

John,
you make an excellent point about how ratings can be skewed in the case of Kenmore machines and Whirlpool products.
I have always been amazed at how WP dishwashers are rated over the similar KA machines and yet they are nearly identical clones.

I really feel that the people who fill out the questionnaires that CU sends out are people who have not had their expectations met when it comes to really being satisfied with the products they are reviewing.
If a person buys a Whirlpool product he or she has a certain level of expectations as to what the product will deliver in terms of results and reliability. If that person paid the premium price for a Kitchenaid, their level of satisfation would be that much higher. Therefore, when the product fails to deliver in service or longevity, they are all the more upset and ready to condemn the product.

I see that on a daily basis on the commercial side of the business... customers buy a lower priced unit than the company I work for and therefore are resolved to the fact that when and if it breaks, it can be expected because they chose not to buy a "......" dishwasher, slicer or mixer.

And I would also bet that most people still think Hobart builds Kitchenaid machines and that is the level of quality and longevity they expect when they pay that premium price.

When you think about it, any and all d/w's whirlpool makes should perform within a few points of each other and the satisfaction index should reflect that too.

I would be willing to bet someone who has had to replace a pump on a KA DW is a whole lot angrier that it failed than someone who bought a WP or Kenmore. And I would say they would rate a lesser failure as more annoying or greivous on a higher priced machine than if they spent less money.
The "you get what you paid for" mentality is in there somewhere and somehow.
 
Furthermore

I would wager that a portion of the people who fill out that questionaire get the brand name of the appliance worng to begin with. How many times do you see an ad on CL for a Maytag washer and it is a Whirlpool?

Malcolm
 
Before There Was Walmart

There was Kenmore.

Sears does not merely slap their brand name on whatever a manufacturer is churning out, rather it insists on certain design and other changes for it's models. Furthermore the appliances are not produced as part of the main run, rather the plant in question shuts down other production, and or makes arrangements so only Kenmore's are produced for that period.

Unless things have changed, Sears used it's position as the number one seller of major home appliances not only to insist on changes, but pricing as well.

With the above in mind it is not hard to see why there could be differences in reliablity between a Kenmore appliance and it's branded cousin.

Case in point; my "Kenmore" branded 18" dishwasher is made by Frigidare/WCI (or whatever it is calling itself these days). Read all the reviews at the time for the later but went with the Kenmore mainly because could use my Sears card and save some money. While the Frigidaire had horrible marks including for reliability, so far after >ten years other than one door spring going, my Kenmore has had zero issues.

Of course with the race to the bottom we are seeing with major appliances, Sears/Kenmore has not been immune. However am willing to bet much of this can be traced back to Sears not being top dog anymore in appliance sales, and indeed the company's fiscal woes all together leading up to being purchased by K-Mart.

There was also a time when Sears in-house service techs took care of anything one purchased. Now for the most part I've heard the work is contracted out and the word on the street here and on the Internet is to run fast, run far.
 
GE Appliances Have Long Been The Red Headed Step Child

Of the corporate giant General Electric. Jet engines, healthcare equipment, financing, et all all brought in more funds for the company and was where they concentrated efforts. This showed in the almost horrible reputation GE appliances gained over the pase several years.

Recently the CEO of GE has gone on record saying the company needs to get back to producing things "Americans need", thus helping put people back to work in the process. Will be interesting to see if any of this translates into better marks for General Electric's appliances. In the mean time I shouldn't touch one with a barge pole. *LOL*
 
Kenmore vs Walmart

I think the difference between Kenmore and Walmart is Sears gave a crap about quality and innovation.  Walmart on the other hand is just interested in the cheapest thing possible to turn the most profit for their bottom line.  To hell with the consumer.

 

Malcolm
 
Back in the day, GE washers were very reliable. Today--not-so-much. Once could hope that they were returning their attention to the days of yore, but I doubt it. When I was shopping for my new FL, I looked at the GE Edsel faced machine at Sear's. Or as my mother said "is that a washer or a toliet?" Which ever, the machine felt rather sub-GE.

Just a few short years ago GE was trying to dump their appliance devision. From what I heard their reputation had gotten to such a state, even Harier didn't want them.
 
GE: GRRRRRR!!

I ranted in another thread about our 2010 GE Hydrowave that replaced our 2007 Hotpoint Hydrowave.

Last weekend, after I replaced the front and rear drum bearings on our 2007 Hotpoint dryer, I wandered into a mom & pop appliance store that sold Speed Queen. I could tell a huge difference just in the way the door opened and closed compared to the Hotpoint. Guess what my next purchase will be!
 
There's good -n-bad in all brands

I have owned GE all my life and love them! I currently have a 4yr old GE washer- hydrowave W/ agitator and love it! My GE side-by-side refrigerator and flat top stove are 12yrs old and never any repairs. My friend purchased kenmore frig, washer & dryer at the same time and has had at least 20 repairs on the three! He has now purchased LG and has had numerous repairs on them! My neighbor has vowed to never buy whirlpool again, after her washer died farely new! So I am perfectly happy with my GE!
 
TGM8000,

I agree with you. Both good and bad exist in all brands. We've had our GE smooth top stove since 1997 and our GE side-by-side fridge since 1998. Both have performed flawlessly. My wife and I just seem to have bad luck with washers. Since 1996, we've had the following washers: Whirlpool, Kenmore, Maytag Neptune, Hotpoint, and 2 GE's, and a Speed Queen wringer (which works perfectly). We never overload or abuse our machines, but we just seem to have bad luck (hence my frustration). My in-laws go through garbage disposers (our GE Dispos-all has worked fine since '97) and water heaters (we've only had 2 since 1996). My mom's 1987 Maytag washer and dryer have each only had 1 repair. Anything built by human hands can fail. My frustration is with modern-day appliances that are designed to fail within a few years, and with repair parts that are so over-priced that one has no choice but to purchase a new machine. Next time I'm going with either a used vintage model or a new Speed Queen.
 
'07 hydrowave

wringersteve,what went wrong with the '07 hydrowave?-IIRC from an earlier
thread it stank of burnt electronics...did the motor inverter blow?
BTW i have a 2009 lower end plastic tub agitator hydrowave-got it brand new,
slightly beat up from a shipping accident for $50 and fixed it up,it is an
interesting washer that works great so far,but it is in my non-DD summer
rotation lineup so far and gets drained and put away for the cold months.
 

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