GE Sells to Haier

[brucelucenta]

While it would be nice to have GE continue manufacturing appliances here in the USA, it probably isn't realistic. It is just too much more cost efficient in other places. Seems that the quality of cars at least, is much better in other places of manufacturing too. Although I have nothing against anything made in the USA, the cars made here along with some of the other things,certainly do not seem to be of very good quality. I know that for many years I had GM made cars and trucks. They all had many problems and seemed to be in the shop a lot in the first couple of years of their life. And the Chrysler K car convertible I had the misfortune to buy spent more of it's existance in the shop than on the road!!! Since switching to Toyota and Honda vehicles, I have not had those problems. I did have a Ford truck in "97 that was a good vehicle and I had no real problems with it. I cannot imagine getting rid of a car I was having no problem with simply because I discovered it was manufactured somewhere besides the USA. I think the proof is in the track record American made has, which is a pretty poor one. Perhaps it has something to do with those very "Union" shops that some speak so proudly of. Do you suppose? It certainly drives the prices up and quality down. It will be interesting to see what happens in the future. Personally, I think Unions were useful at one time, but now are just a thorn in the side for all of us. The government does not let things happen anymore that unions were created for originally. They make it possible now for slackers to do little and make more and to force someone who excels in their job to slow down or be persecuted. That is just wrong. It's also why prices of USA manufactured goods are so high. Things manufactured on other countries have to be imported and shipped. In the USA you would think it would be significantly less to buy something made here. Usually it is not. Maybe we could learn something from other countries.

 

[joeypete]

It's all relative I guess...

Costs a hell of lot less to live in China and Thailand than it does in the USA. You need higher wages which means higher prices too.

American cars did have a bad rap back years ago. Not true anymore thankfully. Quality and reliability are comparable in most cases to foreign brands. I bought My 2012 Chrysler 200 brand new and it now has 85k miles on it and I've yet to have anything repaired on it. I'm very happy.

These things are out of our hands unfortunately. But we can at least discuss and hope for the best lol.

 

[pierreandreply4]

well then time to hunt craig list and used appliance stores

looks like lots of members whoi will went genuine general electric appliance will be hunting for filter flo washers with matching dryers on craiglist same for dishwashers ect and those that can restore fix there actual ge appliance will take good care of them.

 

[paulg]

This is a tough one for me to digest. I am oddly mixed...

My father spent 38 years in Hotpoint's engineering division of General Electric. 5600 West Taylor Street. There were numerous factories scattered around Chicago in addition to Appliance Park. In my town most people worked for Hotpoint, Sunbeam or Western Electric.
The news of GE's appliance division sale is something I mourn, particularly the presumed loss of jobs in the USA. I am sure my Dad is turning in his grave like a rotisserie. The USA's GE appliance brand was a source of pride for me. Virtually everything in our house was GE and was of good quality. I liked having the GE brand in the home. As far as I am concerned my new view of GE is that the appliance brand is just another valueless label.
On the other hand, a recent conversation was held regarding the loss of Japanese TV manufacturing to the Chinese. A comment was made that went something like this... "Well, ANYONE can make a TV nowadays! "
It made me think... Refrigerators, ranges, room air-conditioners etc. are old, stable technologies. Technically, ANYONE can make these standard appliances. Perhaps is it best we dump these commoditized industries on the Chinese and think about being superior in tomorrow's advanced technologies?
But honestly I would rather be selfish and keep the manufacturing USA based. I would have been happier seeing GE buying Haier, not the other way around.

 

[pierreandreply4]

what would you rather buy this or a good old fashion ge

as a consummer today in 2016 would you rather buy this or a good old fashion ge washer dryer? see link and picture credit to members on the site who picture i will use me if i had to purchuse a ge i would try to find a good old fashion ge filter flo washer that has the filter flo pan and liquid fabric sofner and 5 wash rinse temp that means a model that offers a warm rinse option as well as cold rinse witch means cold cold warm warm warm cold hot warm hot cold

海尔官网

 

[cfz2882]

"now they work for us"

looks like that political commercial from a couple years ago is coming true...
will be interesting to see what happens with GE appliances over the next couple years...Haier actually has been making their American size refrigerators in the U.S.since ~2010 or longer:some of these"big"refrigerators are exported as luxury items to china My local Pamida store was selling these U.S. Haiers and some the parts were U.S. origin including the power cords and icemakers-I brought in a small pocket flashlight to the store and tried to discreetly sneak a peek at the compressor through the rear grille-could not make out brand or origin of the compressor,though a small Haier chest freezer I have has a "korea"marked LG compressor.Makes me wonder if Haier will drop production of GE fridges and stick GE badges on Haier fridges...

 

[jetcone]

Well I am glad I jumped on this new cooktop

when I did. So long GE Appliances. Now my first GE Combo is more valuable than ever!!

I'm RICH!!! Finally collecting paid off ! 

 

 

 

[stricklybojack]

Jetcone comes closest...

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I have yet to hear someone say, "rush out and buy an XYZ GE appliance while you still can!"

The sale of what corporate brand to Haier would induce you to snap something up? Before the product line goes away as we currently know it and goods of such quality and distinction are no longer available.

GE sees the China currency falling like a stone and knows they will have great difficulty competing against the lower sale prices of Chinese manufactured goods here that will result. I am amazed they got $5.4 billion for it.

 

[johnb300m]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese govt helped with that 5.4 billion just to get their hands on a huge American company, brand and distribution channel.
One thing I keep hearing is GE's contractor network is the envy of the industry. I'm sure Haier/China would love to be in 8/10 American apartment buildings nation-wide.

 

[Ultramatic]

 

 

"I'm sure Haier/China would love to be in 8/10 American apartment buildings nation-wide."

 

Yeah, a lot easier for state sponsored surveillance.

 

 

 

[henene4]

Oh, come on...

First, washers don't clean, now they spy on you...

Let's be real: The fact you are posting on this website means there are several way cheaper methods to get to know more about you for anybody on this world.

 

[gusherb]

I guess we're stuck with Whirlpool if we want any major appliances made by an American company now. Will NOT consider anything Korean, they're good at making things shiny and appealing and then you get it and realize it's half baked and has all sorts of weird flaws and quirks one never knew could even exist. (My brother lived in South Korea for two years, has lots to say about them and one of those things was that they are NOT detail oriented people...) Be interesting to see what higher end Chinese appliances (i.e. GE) are like compared to the Korean brands.

 

[delaneymeegan]

Oh PA-LEEEZ.....

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Cut the knee-jerk DRAMA people.  </span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">1. Every company or long standing brand, has had winner AND loser designs.  </span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">2. If 51%, or more, of a company's stock, like GE or Ford, is owned by people/groups OUTSIDE the U.S., is it still a U.S. company?</span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">3. If a company like Whirlpool, has some of the products designed and made by, lets say Germans (Whirlpool Duet) is the product "American" made?</span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">4. If a Buick or Cadillac is assembled in China(Buick Envision), is it still "American" made ?</span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">5. Is "American Made" relevant in a global economy?    </span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">6. So we don't complain when a company like GM  or McDonalds or Walmart, stretches its entrepreneurial hands into other countries and propagates like a barn full of bunnies, but it's a problem when other companies come to the U.S.?   </span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">7. Theoretically and practically, white goods, like appliances, are text book examples of being almost completely manufactured by robots.  This we were told back in the 50s was a desirable GOAL.  Wouldn't you agree?  Does it matter where they are made?</span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">8. I've owned a few Haier appliances.  Air conditioners, a chest freezer, refrigerators.  I never had any problems.  In fact, I like the compact designs they offer.  And if they strive to serve the BOL market, that doesn't mean the products are junk.  BOL is not synonymous with junk, and TOL is definitely not synonymous with quality built.  It just means they have a much greater number of people who can afford to buy their products, and that's a smart move.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">9. GE hasn't wanted to be in the consumer appliance business for decades.  They've only held onto it like a cousin they'd prefer to drown.  As much as I like some of their designs, the Filter-flo, for example, has fond memories for me and it's fun; but it was a crap design, and it took them until 1995 to replace it.  Long after Whirlpool updated their washers.  So, they haven't been vested in their appliance line.  The 80s saw virtual stagnation of almost all the major GE appliance designs. </span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">10.  I'm interested in QUALITY products.  I don't care Who designs them, or where they're put together.  </span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">11. The borders and boundaries we've previously known, such as states and countries, are being dissolved.  Certainly the business community doesn't adhere to those lines.  The internet has little regard for state, ethnic, or country boundaries.  Why would you want to pen yourself in?</span>

 

<span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">12. And remember, the U.S. is NOT the crème de' le crème in ANYTHING. In all the important arenas of life, other countries have us beat several times over.  The U.S., is still trying to get universal health care and internet to everyone.  Something all other industrialized countries have had for quite a while now, with no problems.  The knuckle dragging in this country is pathetic. </span>

 

 

 

[mrb627]

@jetcone

My GE induction range is the best thing I have purchased in a long time. I don't miss cooking with gas a single bit.

Malcolm

 

[jetcone]

Well you were certainly clear there

But you are wrong on one front- completely !

 

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"In all the important arenas of life, other countries have us beat several times over."

 

Everyone wants to come live here!, no one is struggling to get into Korea, Japan, China, Russia, Brazil, Mexico.
So you got that wrong .

So we must be doing something right - correct ???

 

And last I checked the only flag planted by a man on the Moon is the US Flag. And it maybe the first flag planted on Mars too.

 

I have travelled the world and I mean including the 3rd world and I have met and lived beside beautiful people and places that can't compare to the US but what you said is completely wrong.

 

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[jetcone]

Heres a link to

my review on GE' s website

 

 

GE Appliances: Shop for Home, Kitchen, & Laundry Appliances

GE Appliances is your home for the best kitchen appliances, home products, parts and accessories, and support.

products.geappliances.com

 

[gansky1]

Haier is the sea.

Get to know your State Owned Enterprise.

 

It's only a marginally important point that Haier Group is a State Owned Enterprise.  That is, a commercial entity trading in the marketplace with backing, funding and a stake in  ownership by a government or nation.  There was some mention last week in news articles announcing the deal that one stumbling block to "rubber stamp" approval of the GE deal was that Haier is a SOE and it's chairman (Zhang Rui Min) also sits on the CCP Central Committee, the communist party's highest authority.

 

State-owned enterprise - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

 

We can climb into the way-way back time machine (the internet and see what Haier's origins are, what shaped their philosophy and who the main characters are.  These are but a sampling of what's out there to read.

 

Think State-Owned Companies Are Inefficient? Look at China

For most Western observers, state-owned companies are wasteful white elephants while private enterprise sets the standard for efficiency. A look at China’s large public sector giants, however, tells a different story, according to Wharton management professor Marshall Meyer. Even China’s entry...

knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu

 

Appliances For Everyone

No niche seems too small for China's Haier Group.

www.forbes.com

 

GE Appliance division is being acquired by Qingdao Haier Co LTD, not the electronics company Haier Electronics Co.  While they certainly look like the same company, they are two separate entities.  Chinese government ownership is held in both companies.  

 

 

From the company's vision statement - 

 

 

[COLOR=#3d3d34; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Liberation Sans', FreeSans, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-weight: normal; line-height: 19.5px]Haier Is the Sea.  Haier should be like the sea. Because the sea can accept all the rivers on earth, big and small, far and near, coming all the way to empty into it. Once in the bosom of the sea, every drop will function as a whole and rush together pertinaciously and dauntlessly, under the command of the sea, to a common goal. They will rather be smashed to pieces than retreat as deserters, hence the overwhelming force of the sea. The sea offers all of itself to mankind and never demands anything in return. Only through this bounty and unselfishness can the sea become an everlasting existence providing for all living beings. Haier should be like the sea--accepting all talented people from around the world for an ambitious goal. Every Haier employee[/COLOR]<span id="IL_AD12" class="IL_AD" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Liberation Sans', FreeSans, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-weight: normal; line-height: 19.5px; margin: 0px; position: static; border-bottom-style: solid !important; border-bottom-color: #0066ff !important; padding: 0px 0px 1px !important; text-decoration: underline !important; color: #0066ff !important; cursor: pointer !important; display: inline !important; float: none !important; background-image: none !important; background-attachment: scroll !important; background-color: transparent !important; background-size: initial !important; background-origin: initial !important; background-clip: initial !important; background-position: 0% 50%; background-repeat: repeat !important; border-width: 0px 0px 1px !important 0px;"> </span>[COLOR=#3d3d34; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Liberation Sans', FreeSans, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-weight: normal; line-height: 19.5px]should be capable rather than mediocre and redundant, for they are the backbone and guarantee of Haier's future development. Concerted efforts will generate power of the sea. This will be backed by a spirit--"Dedication to the Motherland by Pursuing Excellence" which Haier persistently advocates. Therefore, everything deemed unbelievable and impossible can be real and possible, and the Billow of Haier will rush past everything on its way and roll on and on. Thus, Haier should be like the sea--making contributions to mankind "sincerely forever." In so doing, it will exist forever for the good of all. Haier will be part of the whole society. Haier is the sea.[/COLOR] 

 

 In Chinese Haier is written 海尔 － the first character is Hai (high) meaning Sea.  Second character is Er (short "er" sound).  Together, these characters form a proper name and have no literal meaning but it's easy to see the metaphor extrapolation from the written Chinese.

 

[jetcone]

Whoa!

That's a statement that generates cause for thought >

 

"Dedication to the Motherland by Pursuing Excellence"

 

[johnb300m]

Yup. GE, an American registered company, is selling part of itself to a foreign government.
I wonder who that will play out in regulations?
It probably won't.
Nobody cares about appliances....except when there's too many oven factories (cough, ELECTROLUX, cough cough)

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

Jus' gimme a ring on top o' the agitator--

--And a rear opening lid, so I have to set'er on top o' the 'Haier Dr-ier', or a nearby countertop!

 

So, well, maybe someday we'll see:

 

The Haier Filter-Flo Lint Filter System--designed to get rid of your Haier-y Lint!!!!

 

 

 

-- Dave