GE Semi Solid Tub Washer

[Chetlaham]

What is the deal with semi solid tub washers? I noticed GE and Hotpint would do this thing where they had two rows of holes at the top and a row at the bottom of the basket but little to nothing in between. Does anyone know the reasoning behind this?

 

 

 

 

[Chetlaham]

Not the best pic, but here is another example with a lack of plentiful holes through at least 80% of the wash tub. 

 

 

 

 

[agiflow]

It's nice to see that white straight vein instead of the more common ramp. Ramps are efficient, but overall I like the straight veins better

 

[agiflow]

*vanes

 

[Chetlaham]

LOL, its cool Auto correct by chance? I've had auto correct fail me in epic ways.

 

I'm with you, I love the straight can agi, especially in turquoise color! 

 

 

Maybe I'm looking into it to much, but I feel like GE knew something by going with this type of  wash basket perforation design.

 

Personally I think this design is ideal for spray rinsing. During a spray rinse, water often hits the lower half of the garment load. By placing most of the holes at the top of the basket, rinse water is forced up through the cloth load, out the top row of holes, onto the outer tub, then that water runs down the outer tub walls and down to the drain orifice. Like this the whole machine, including cloths, are rinsed thoroughly. 

 

An intermittent spray sequence such as-

 

Spin 4 minutes

 

Spray 30 seconds

 

Spin 1.5 minites

 

Spray 30 seconds

 

Spin 1.5 minutes

 

Spray 30 Seconds

 

Spin 1.5 minutes

 

Spray 30 seconds

 

Spin 6 minutes

 

would saturate clothes, spin out the excess residual water, then re-saturate them 4 or 5 times gradually diluting the small amount of remaining residual water each time mimicking a font load rinse sequence. Even perforations would cause water to go straight through the garments where the water flume hits the fabric, mostly missing the upper band of fabric.  

 

I feel like these old washer got more right then wrong.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

my pick goes to...

the ramped activator. Very effective. Also, I like a nice deep agitated rinse.

 

[wayupnorth]

I had been given a late 50's GE and it had a full solid tub with only one row of holes at the top. If you hit the water saver switch, the Filter=Flo would just sputter as it could not get enough water out of the solid tub.

 

[combo52]

GE filter, flow washer with less holes in the wash basket

Chet you’re not paying attention. This has been discussed at length GE made this change to reduce the amount of sediment and streaking that can occur in dark clothing because of lint and mineral residue when the machine struggles to drain and spin at the same time.

All spin drain top load washers ever made had this problem to some degree, even neutral drain whirlpool washers, have it to a very slight degree, but it’s almost never visible on a neutral drain machine.

Only front load washers escape this problem completely because of the way they tumble and drain.
John L

 

[Chetlaham]

I have a spin drain top load and I've never had problems with sediment or streaking. Spin-draining keeps the washer clean preventing scum rings from forming around the agitator and other parts.

 

[agiflow]

The older GE filter flows and Maytags and several others that had spin drains would throw the water back over the clothes and that's how you got streaking and lint. A new Speed Queen does not do that.

 

[combo52]

Redeposited Lint and scum during spin cycles

Hi Patrick reply number nine you are correct you’re probably also aware that Speed Queen traditional washers that are sold in Canada and Australia, etc. are built with neutral drain because of the problem of red depositing lint, it’s more of a problem in countries where people don’t use clothes dryers for everything.

Chet if you want to see this problem, demonstrated take some dryer lint from a white load of towels and when you wash some dark colored jeans and shirts and things throw it in your Speed Queen and see what comes out. You’ll see this effect, yes, bad washing practices make this a lot worse, but it still is a real problem. That thousands of people have had problems with.

John L

 

[agiflow]

Hi John. Even the AWN432 I purchased back in 2013 with its spin drain didn't accelerate fast enough to throw the water over the clothes. Had no linting problems with that machine. All the machines I've used other than the Speed Queen in the last 30 years have all been Whirlpool produced and never had problems with linting or streaking.

 

[johnb300m]

Spin drains

Our house, my grandparents, and aunt all had pitman Maytags.
They all did spin drain. And lint or streaking was never an issue.
I’m not going to say it’s all false, I don’t have that data.
The Maytags also had that center lint filter that worked well. Maybe that helped mitigate it.
My other aunts had a DD whirlpool with neutral drain. And that was notorious for forming “tub rings” along the top. But they didn’t have streaking lint issues either.

 

[combo52]

Reply number 11

Hi Patrick, obviously it’s a lot worse when water keeps slashing over the top of the tub as it tries to drain because the dirty water is strained through the clean clothing over and over again.

But you still get the effect when you spin a tub full of clothing and water because the clothing tends to go to the outside and the dirty water is forced through the clothing, so you still have this effect in any top load washer that spins the water out of the clothing the clothing tends to turn into a filter.

As John mentioned in reply number 12 he’s never seen this happen most people don’t if you sort your clothing properly using enough detergent there isn’t as much mineral residue, etc. you may never have this problem, but of course to a degree. You may not be aware you are turning your clean clothes into a filter that the dirty wash and rinse water is going through so you do get cleaner brighter clothing, if the water can drain away without being strained through the clothing forcefully.

When Maytag started selling top load washers that were made by Norge, they even said in the advertising literature that your clothing would be cleaner and brighter than their previous dependable care machine machines because the Norge design machines had such a powerful pump that the water was pumped away more quickly and the hole design in the tub plus the slow acceleration tended to minimize the redepositingof this dirt in the clothing, I don’t make this stuff up. This is straight from Maytag.

John L

 

[agiflow]

I do sort my laundry and I tend to do my usual two loads a week unless I have bedding to do or I wash my jeans separately.

Most people probably dry their clothes with a clothes dryer, so I think the linting issue is really moot.

I guess it makes more of a difference if you hang dry or people mixing lint givers with lint catchers.

One thing I do know is that in the '74 Kenmore you can hear that lint filter operating.

It's my first find and oldest Whirlpool made machine I have that had one of the earlier self-cleaning filters and not that passive lint filter under the tub.

 

[johnb300m]

This is probably an inherent thing with top loaders in general. Whether they spin or neutral drain.
When I was introduced to neutral drain in college with a plastic tub GE, and later WP direct drive, I could watch the soap “scum” later fall on top of the clothes while draining.

So I see inherent issues with both methods.
Luckily the deep and spray rinses take care of most of that.

As stated, proper sorting and detergent dosing probably play key roles in reducing lint streaking.

 

[Chetlaham]

John, that is why you sort clothes based on type and color. You don't wash colored linting items with white towels. Spin drain or neutral drain won't save you from that fact.

 

 

I'm with John300m neutral draining just causes scum and what ever is floating on the surface of the water to get -re-deposited on the clothes. More wrinkling as items just clump up at the bottom before spin.  

 

[agiflow]

Not with a belt drive Kenmore or Whirlpool. Ive been using both for a while and wrinkling really isn't a problem with a machine that only spins at 515 RPMs. Not only that you have spray rinsing after the deep rinse. So the whole thing with scum being on top of the load simply is not true.

 

[Chetlaham]

My Speed Queen is 710 rpm. I have indeed had scum, and thick ugly rings form on all the neutral drain top loaders that I have used.  Yes detergent dosing was right and of a good quality. (Tide Original) 

 

 

Spin drain eliminates all scum, and the clothes come out smooth with much fewer creases while spread across the tub wall.