GE Steam Dishwasher

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Finally, after delaying it's introduction from November until February it's here: GE's new Steam Dishwasher with Smart Dispense. It's cycle times are fast but it'll also use up to 10 gallons of water... For the Steam Pre-Wash Option it says: "After the second pre-wash fill, the dishwasher stops the water circulation and activates the calrod heater. Water dripping from the glassware and dishware falls onto the calrod heater and creates a wall of steam to help loosen soils before the main wash." Not too exciting, IMO.

BASKETS

 

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LOWER SPRAY "ARM"

 

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LOADED

 

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LOADED II

 

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LOADED III

 

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LOADED IV

 

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ANGLED RACK DRY

 

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LAST ONE

 

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Link to product page here. Use and Care manual here

So what'd you think?

Alex

 

[toploader55]

Strange

The racking looks OK, but the Lower Sray "Arm" is wierd. And why would GE market a Dishwasher in Germany when you have Miele and Bosch ?
I have family in Esslingen and they are Miele people.

 

[logixx]

Oh no - it's not available anywhere in Europe. Actually, don't even know if GE Sells appliances over here. And that kind of water consumption is waaaay too much for European standards. Over here, dishwashers use about 4 gallons for a Pots & Pans cycle and 3 for a regular cycle. Miele claims its Sensor Wash cycle will use only 2 gallons if it senses light soil (wash, rinse, rinse).

What I wonder about: the manual says that when pressing Added Heat / Extra Hot Wash / Temp Boost "the cycle will run longer with heating element on to improve both wash and dry performance." So, will the dishwasher otherwise not heat at all?

 

[andrewinorlando]

Having had the Tall Tub 9800 model, I have to say it's an excellent dishwasher in its original form. It heats water whenever it needs to be heated, based on the cycle you've selected. The 9800 would do a Normal cycle (with no options selected) in exactly 45 minutes, consistently, and that included heating the water in the main wash. A heavily soiled load would run about 62 minutes. The "Added Heat" cycle added 15 minutes to the Normal cycle. This cycle was sufficient to clean oatmeal/hot cereal pots and such with no problem whatsoever. The pre-wash cycle added two heated water changes to the cycle, and served as a kind of "pre-soak" for heavily soiled stuff. From the looks of this one, it's pretty much the same.

I might have to go and trade the LG in for this baby once it's available in the discount stores!!

 

[mark_wpduet]

Funny how the Euro dishwasher uses less than American dishwasher yet the washing machines use MORE.

 

[frigilux]

That's a fine-looking dishwasher that appears to have very flexible loading options. But I have to say that I would miss the upper silverware/cutlery rack on my LG.

Speaking of LG, I visited their website recently, and the TOL model 8910 dishwasher (the one I have) is gone! They put the steam feature on a lower model, and it's now their TOL. Unfortunately, it doesn't have the upper cutlery rack. The new TOL model is rated at 50 db for sound, and mine is 45 db. Glad I bought mine when I did!

Oddly, there is a "Previous Models" button on the dishwasher page, and when you choose it, you can see the models they used to offer, and model 8910 is there. But I don't think you can actually order any of the 'previous models'. Very strange.

 

[roto204]

Hee-hee!

Hmmm, runs the Calrod to improve the washing results, and has a gigantic blue wash-arm with ginormous holes.

GE does stick to what it knows! ;-)

 

[andrewinorlando]

Eugene - our LG's turned out to be too expensive for most markets. Their "replacements" are now under $1,000, versus the retail on the 8910 of almost $1500. They didn't sell too many, which is a shame, because it's a damned good dishwasher.

 

[appnut]

Eugene and Andrew, looks like ya have a collector's item in the making.

 

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@ Mark_wpduet - DW water consumption

I've read some US dishwasher manuals (Whirlpool and Frigidaire) and noticed your DW do even two prewashes (as EU machines did in the 70s) and even more than two rinses.

Apart from differences between EU and US detergents, IMO US machines rely mostly on the hot water line to heat load and tub. So two prewashes are very effective to purge the line and to heat the load before the main wash. It's a trick to f*** the 120 V issue ...

Euro dishwashers use less water as many people connect them to the cold water line, neverthless manuals say it's worth to use the hot water line in case of solar or gas heater.

Anyway Zanussi/Electrolux (Techna Green with energy save 45°C final rinse option) an Miele (ThermoSpar/hot water connection facility and ElektroSpar/NoHeat cycle with 2 prew only for hot fill *LINK* ) now are pushing consumers to hook their machines to hot water lines.

It's a pity that Miele puts the noHeat program only on TOL models :-((( It would be very handy when there are many appliances switched on in the meanwhile

http://www.miele.co.uk/Resources/OperatingInstructions/G 1833_G 2833.pdf

 

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@ Logixx

Hi Alex,
doesn't that rack design look a bit similar to the new 3 racks ASKO ?? Anyway the "arm" isn't the only odd thing
Look how they loaded that square cookware utensil in Load IV pic,that salad bowl in load II, not to mention those narrow bottles in the corner (load III) ...
It very ridiculous that a manufacturer suggestes to use his product in the wrong way

What about the steam feature on the latest Bauknecht/euro Whirlpool ? I' ve read on the waschmaschinenforum they are even worse than mine ......

GE in Europe.... here in IT we have GE "french door" fridges (we call them "american style" fridges). Even IKEA IT sells a similar double door US made Whirlpool fridge ... at a price that's more mielish rather than ikeal (or better, mieles are cheaper). We're fashion victims )
The odd side of the matter : italian made Smeg are sold even in the US .... greener is the grass .... )

 

[frigilux]

Andrew and Bob---I've owned many dishwashers in my adult life, and my LG 8910 is the best-cleaning, biggest capacity, most energy efficient one I've ever had. I just hope it remains reliable.

Even the stainless steel interior is of better quality than the KitchenAids and Maytags I've had. After eight months of heavy use there are no water lines or marks on the interior. It's shiny as a mirror.

 

[bajaespuma]

Nice to see GE is back in the appliance business!

Or are they? Is this a Haier made product? I will say, after their Potsrubber nightmare machines, GE always had IMHO some of the best designed upper racks in the business. Very roomy and clever as this one appears to be and they've addressed my biggest pet peeve: draining the bottoms of glassware. I appreciated this post, both for info on the GE and all of the info on the LG. Although I though GE manuactured the LG dishmachines and dryers in this country.

 

[andrewinorlando]

This GE is not a Haier made machine. Those look vastly different.

Eugene, I have to agree, the LG is a great cleaning machine, but my former GE 9800 cleaned just as well as the LG. The LG is, however, much quieter, holds more, is more efficient, easier to load, and has that delightful third cutlery rack. It's also a very solidly built machine. The interior is as shiny as glass...just beautiful. And that lighted interior is pretty nifty. Personally, I think it even dries pretty well, too, despite not having a drying heater.

My LG needed to have its controller replaced because, LG determined, it was never programmed correctly, so it did not heat in the Normal cycle....basically got up to 93 degrees in the main wash and that was it. New controller solved the problem and I was very, very impressed with LG's service. But it's been a very reliable machine. And very quiet!

 

[johnb300m]

we have a GE TT6200 in our rented townhouse at school.
They clean VERY well. I'd be hard pressed to get any other brand than GE at this time. Their TT 6 level wash system is light years ahead of what they used to make.

IIRC, GE's programming always heats the main wash to 140F. With their giant Calrod heater, they can boost the temp of the 1.2gal tank pretty dang quick.
The SaniRinse in the Anitibacteria cycle is only 15-20min, longer than a standard final rinse.
I think this is one feature that is nice and able to allow GE to have much shorter wash times than their counterparts.

And YES, I love my 45 min. Normal wash, which comes in at a mere 5.5gal water use.

 

[johnb300m]

steam

oh, and yeah, i think steam is a huge gimmick.
But GE had to jump off the cliff to or be left behind....because......well.......we all KNOW steam is better.

 

[estesguy]

The gimmick is

The Smart dispenser is the main gimmick here. It boost's the cost of this machine considerably. I have a GE PWD7300, that has operated flawlessly since installed in 2001. I am fully capable of putting soap in the dispenser and closing the dispenser door after loading the machine. This ranks right up there with rain sensing windshield wipers. How lazy have we become nowadays?

 

[iheartmaytag]

STOP

I love my rain sensing windshield wipers. It isn't lazy, it's safety. You don't even have to take you hands off the cell phone while driving. The wipers come on when they are needed. As an added bonus, when the wipers activate it turns on the headlights to be in compliance with the new law "Wipers on Headlights on."

As for the smartdispense. I do think it's a gimmick and a costly add on. The GE profile washer has the dispense drawer that addes $650, but what a bunch of tubing to go nasty on you in a few years. I will just add my own detergent--just to keep it simple; I'll use the Cascade/Dawn packs.

 

[countryguy]

If rain sensing windshield wipers are a 'safety' then why are you talking on a hand held cell phone while driving?

Gary

 

[iheartmaytag]

If rain sensing windshield wipers are a 'safety' then why are you talking on a hand held cell phone while driving?

I was being sarcastic--"Safety" so you don't drop the phone, of course.

 

[andrewinorlando]

And sometimes when you're talking on the phone and it starts to rain, you might forget to switch the wipers on!! It's nice that the car does it for you......

 

[countryguy]

I thought it might have been sarcasm but with some people you never know BTW my IS250 also has the rain sensing wipers. I love them in the summer but hate them in the winter with the snow and ice. They just don't seem to know when to wipe.

Gary