German Persil
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Persil in Brazil
Dixiland, I travel very frequently to Brazil on vacation, and I don't recall ever having seen the Persil brand sold over there, and I always check the supermarket aisles! Perhaps it is manufactured with another brand name, but I don't think so.
Anyway, Brazil is one of the countries where a cold water wash culture prevails to the present day. Until quite recently only very few washers on the market offered the option of a hot or even a warm wash. I don't think the standard formultion of Persil would work very well in a cold water wash.
Dixiland, I travel very frequently to Brazil on vacation, and I don't recall ever having seen the Persil brand sold over there, and I always check the supermarket aisles! Perhaps it is manufactured with another brand name, but I don't think so.
Anyway, Brazil is one of the countries where a cold water wash culture prevails to the present day. Until quite recently only very few washers on the market offered the option of a hot or even a warm wash. I don't think the standard formultion of Persil would work very well in a cold water wash.
Aaron:
I hope you are fortunate enough to locate some German Persil. Our dear Jetcone (Jon) sent some to me recently and it's great! It has a very pleasant scent and does a super job on whites.
If you can't locate it in Brazil, try Argentina! They also had waves of Germans emmigrate during and after WWII.
Good luck!
I hope you are fortunate enough to locate some German Persil. Our dear Jetcone (Jon) sent some to me recently and it's great! It has a very pleasant scent and does a super job on whites.
If you can't locate it in Brazil, try Argentina! They also had waves of Germans emmigrate during and after WWII.
Good luck!
andyelectrolux
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Are you talking about something different than what I get from Miele?
German Persil
Dixieland -
You can order German Persil products from most Miele distributors.
I currently have over 50 detergents in my collection at the moment (I know - I'm pathetic), and I always end up using the German Persil Powder, German Persil Megaperls Bio, Sensitive and Color variants as my "daily drivers". They all work great. Since I stopped using chlorine bleach almost 2 years ago, I really can't imagine washing my whites in anything but German Persil (and maybe a couple of the UK variants).
I ordered mine from ABT Electronics. They offer free shipping. Though this detergent may seem pricey at first, you can you use so little with our softer water conditions in the US that it really is about the same as what you would pay using a full dose of Tide HE or other similar products.
Good luck and let us know what you think of it!
Bryan
Dixieland -
You can order German Persil products from most Miele distributors.
I currently have over 50 detergents in my collection at the moment (I know - I'm pathetic), and I always end up using the German Persil Powder, German Persil Megaperls Bio, Sensitive and Color variants as my "daily drivers". They all work great. Since I stopped using chlorine bleach almost 2 years ago, I really can't imagine washing my whites in anything but German Persil (and maybe a couple of the UK variants).
I ordered mine from ABT Electronics. They offer free shipping. Though this detergent may seem pricey at first, you can you use so little with our softer water conditions in the US that it really is about the same as what you would pay using a full dose of Tide HE or other similar products.
Good luck and let us know what you think of it!
Bryan
Depends on what one means by coloured laundry. For pastels and brights, then normal Persil should be fine. However for dark and or certian other colours, especially those which might bleed and or fade,Persil for colours is a better choice,
Unlike normal Persil, Persil for colours does not contain oxygen bleaches or bleach activators, thus will not fade colours with repeated use as normal Persil. Normal Persil used an activated perborate bleaching system, which bleached quite effectivly at warm and even cool water temps, thus could cause some colours to fade. Henkel has since switched to percarbonate bleach, but that will still bleach in warm, cool and even cold water.
L.
Unlike normal Persil, Persil for colours does not contain oxygen bleaches or bleach activators, thus will not fade colours with repeated use as normal Persil. Normal Persil used an activated perborate bleaching system, which bleached quite effectivly at warm and even cool water temps, thus could cause some colours to fade. Henkel has since switched to percarbonate bleach, but that will still bleach in warm, cool and even cold water.
L.
I buy mien thru
Amazon for free shipping beyond a 46 dollar purchase. I use the Persil Color and white. It does a super job in my Bendiii!!
I also love the fragrance its nothing like any natural scent I CAN'T STAND FRUITY DETERGENT OR COFFEE!
I will look into ABT electronics too. thanks for the lead
jon
Amazon for free shipping beyond a 46 dollar purchase. I use the Persil Color and white. It does a super job in my Bendiii!!
I also love the fragrance its nothing like any natural scent I CAN'T STAND FRUITY DETERGENT OR COFFEE!
I will look into ABT electronics too. thanks for the lead
jon
I use the two forumlations of Persil as well
I get mine at TotalVac.com and they also offer free shipping. I have not found a price difference between ABT and TotalVac (or any of them actually). I just bought some this morning as a matter of fact and if you put NEWYEAR in the coupon code you'll get 10% off the order. It was supposed to expire on 02/28 but it is still working.
I swear by Persil
I get mine at TotalVac.com and they also offer free shipping. I have not found a price difference between ABT and TotalVac (or any of them actually). I just bought some this morning as a matter of fact and if you put NEWYEAR in the coupon code you'll get 10% off the order. It was supposed to expire on 02/28 but it is still working.
I swear by Persil
whirlcool
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I will admit that a bottle of Persil can last a long time, even if you are using a top loader!
We bought about 6 bottles and boxes of Persil(UK)about 18 months ago and we have hardly made a dent in our supply. We have realatively soft water so we don't have to use much at all. We really like it as it is so low sudsing and rinses out so easily. Plus it smells nice too.
I estimate our supply will probably last another 24 months or so before we have to buy some more. So how is that for economy?
We bought about 6 bottles and boxes of Persil(UK)about 18 months ago and we have hardly made a dent in our supply. We have realatively soft water so we don't have to use much at all. We really like it as it is so low sudsing and rinses out so easily. Plus it smells nice too.
I estimate our supply will probably last another 24 months or so before we have to buy some more. So how is that for economy?
Is Persil good for colored clothes ?
Yes and No !
Henkel was the first manufacturer introducing a heavy duty detergent specially designed for colored clothes in 1991.
Before, there was only a choice between regular detergents and detergents for delicates that did not clean tough stains very well.
So a lot of people (my Mom for examle) have always used regular powdered Persil for their whole wash and never switched to color versions.
On one hand oxygen bleach is "color save", on the other hand every kind of bleach is bad for colors. Even the regular liquids, which do not contain bleach but optical brighteners (a kind of fluorescent dye) can in particular change pastel colors by and by.
One other advantage of the color versions is a dye transfer inhibitor. So I do most of my coloreds with "Colors".
In my opinion German Henkel products are of superior quality, but scent wise I am a total P&G addict.
Yes and No !
Henkel was the first manufacturer introducing a heavy duty detergent specially designed for colored clothes in 1991.
Before, there was only a choice between regular detergents and detergents for delicates that did not clean tough stains very well.
So a lot of people (my Mom for examle) have always used regular powdered Persil for their whole wash and never switched to color versions.
On one hand oxygen bleach is "color save", on the other hand every kind of bleach is bad for colors. Even the regular liquids, which do not contain bleach but optical brighteners (a kind of fluorescent dye) can in particular change pastel colors by and by.
One other advantage of the color versions is a dye transfer inhibitor. So I do most of my coloreds with "Colors".
In my opinion German Henkel products are of superior quality, but scent wise I am a total P&G addict.
Oxygen Bleach and "Colour Save"
In theory all oxygen bleaches are safe for coloured laundry and help "keep colours bright". This is because normal warm water wash temperatures that colours are usually done in will not activate oxygen bleaches enough to damage colours. Sodium perborate on it's own really needs 140F to get going,while sodium percarbonte will bleach in warm or cold water, but nothing like the action that occurs at say 140F. Read on some commercial laundry education site that for every ten degree increase in water temp there is something like 20% increase in oxygen bleaching activity. Could have the numbers mixed up, but again on their own oxygen bleachs are pretty safe for colours in warm to cool water, especially with short contact times. In warm or cold water percarbonate bleaches and activated perborate bleaches are active enough to deal with organic stains and soils such as muck, tea, coffee, berries and wine, but shouldn't cause harm to most colourfast laundry. Mind you repeated laundering at temperatures of 140F or greater may cause fading of colours when using any oxygen bleaches.
Problems started when bleaching activators were added to perborate bleach containing detergents. Now bleaching activity began at lower wash temperatures and continued longer beacuse of the new threshold. This meant in theory longer contact time which could lead to fading of certian colours.
However consider oxygen bleach is still added to many "colour detergents" because they help neutralise chlorine bleach found in most municipal tap water, thus "protect" colours from fading due to unintended repeated exposure to chlorine bleach.
In theory all oxygen bleaches are safe for coloured laundry and help "keep colours bright". This is because normal warm water wash temperatures that colours are usually done in will not activate oxygen bleaches enough to damage colours. Sodium perborate on it's own really needs 140F to get going,while sodium percarbonte will bleach in warm or cold water, but nothing like the action that occurs at say 140F. Read on some commercial laundry education site that for every ten degree increase in water temp there is something like 20% increase in oxygen bleaching activity. Could have the numbers mixed up, but again on their own oxygen bleachs are pretty safe for colours in warm to cool water, especially with short contact times. In warm or cold water percarbonate bleaches and activated perborate bleaches are active enough to deal with organic stains and soils such as muck, tea, coffee, berries and wine, but shouldn't cause harm to most colourfast laundry. Mind you repeated laundering at temperatures of 140F or greater may cause fading of colours when using any oxygen bleaches.
Problems started when bleaching activators were added to perborate bleach containing detergents. Now bleaching activity began at lower wash temperatures and continued longer beacuse of the new threshold. This meant in theory longer contact time which could lead to fading of certian colours.
However consider oxygen bleach is still added to many "colour detergents" because they help neutralise chlorine bleach found in most municipal tap water, thus "protect" colours from fading due to unintended repeated exposure to chlorine bleach.
Persil Concentration:
Remember European detergents are designed for water conditions found in those countries. Some areas of Europe have water so hard you'd chip a tooth. Even the hardest United States water would probably be considered "soft" on the other side of the pond. Hence one can use much less European detergent Stateside.
Persil Clean Rinsing
Did a full load in the Miele yesterday with only about 2 tablespoons of Persil sensitive "megaperls" with totally no sudsing. One could clearly hear the sloshing and slapping of laundry as my Miele went about it's business during the wash cycle. By third rinse of five, water was totally clear. This has made me reconsider some previous held views on using American non-HE detergents in my Miele. Thus my stash of Tide with Bleach and Tide Coldwater will be moved onto Mama's house to be parceled out to various relatives with top loading washers. As pour moi it's Persil and the stash of commercial European laundry detergent from now on. Oh yes, have some P&G "Professional" Tide pre-soak that P&G swears can only be used as a pre-soaker. However the MSDS says the product is nothing more than Tide or Tide HE, and the product spec sheet claims the product is "HE" safe; so that stash can stay.
Thing about Persil is that when I say there are no suds, there are no suds. Not even when spinning starts after the wash cycle, which usually causes tons of froth when laundering towels and other heavy items. This froth will cause the machine to slow down spinning and if heavy enough the washer never will reach full spin speed before beginning a rinse cycle. This could be behind some people having problems with clean rinising.
Remember European detergents are designed for water conditions found in those countries. Some areas of Europe have water so hard you'd chip a tooth. Even the hardest United States water would probably be considered "soft" on the other side of the pond. Hence one can use much less European detergent Stateside.
Persil Clean Rinsing
Did a full load in the Miele yesterday with only about 2 tablespoons of Persil sensitive "megaperls" with totally no sudsing. One could clearly hear the sloshing and slapping of laundry as my Miele went about it's business during the wash cycle. By third rinse of five, water was totally clear. This has made me reconsider some previous held views on using American non-HE detergents in my Miele. Thus my stash of Tide with Bleach and Tide Coldwater will be moved onto Mama's house to be parceled out to various relatives with top loading washers. As pour moi it's Persil and the stash of commercial European laundry detergent from now on. Oh yes, have some P&G "Professional" Tide pre-soak that P&G swears can only be used as a pre-soaker. However the MSDS says the product is nothing more than Tide or Tide HE, and the product spec sheet claims the product is "HE" safe; so that stash can stay.
Thing about Persil is that when I say there are no suds, there are no suds. Not even when spinning starts after the wash cycle, which usually causes tons of froth when laundering towels and other heavy items. This froth will cause the machine to slow down spinning and if heavy enough the washer never will reach full spin speed before beginning a rinse cycle. This could be behind some people having problems with clean rinising.
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Persil questions from a Laundry Spaz
I was in Desert Vacuum this morning. They have the complete line of Miele vacuums and large appliances, even the mangle! The is a display of Persil Laundry products there but i didn't ask if it was German Persil. I assume that since it comes from Germany that it is "German Persil" or as Andy also asked, is it some American version. Can Persil be used in regular old top loading Kenmore washers ( LOL suddenly embarrassed! )
I was going to start a thread on the best way to clean whites ( white nursing uniforms to be specific ) but will keep the question here. Thanks!
Marty
I was in Desert Vacuum this morning. They have the complete line of Miele vacuums and large appliances, even the mangle! The is a display of Persil Laundry products there but i didn't ask if it was German Persil. I assume that since it comes from Germany that it is "German Persil" or as Andy also asked, is it some American version. Can Persil be used in regular old top loading Kenmore washers ( LOL suddenly embarrassed! )
I was going to start a thread on the best way to clean whites ( white nursing uniforms to be specific ) but will keep the question here. Thanks!
Marty
andyelectrolux
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Marty
I have a Kenmore top loader (its terrible) and use the same Persil that you saw at Desert Vacuum in it. It works fine. I use about two tablespoons.
I have a Kenmore top loader (its terrible) and use the same Persil that you saw at Desert Vacuum in it. It works fine. I use about two tablespoons.
andyelectrolux
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Mark
I'm a Miele dealer, and I also carry the Cleaning Essentials line which includes the Henkel version of Persil. I should have stated that in my post. Since I am new to the world of laundry detergent, I was curious if there was another line of Persil that I was not familiar with.
I'm a Miele dealer, and I also carry the Cleaning Essentials line which includes the Henkel version of Persil. I should have stated that in my post. Since I am new to the world of laundry detergent, I was curious if there was another line of Persil that I was not familiar with.
