arrrooohhh
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Pardon me, but one must ask how such things happen in the first place? The girl had to get in there and somehow close the door in the first place, and all while the mother looked on...
Girl dies inside washing machine
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westytoploader
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That's too sad...I remember reading that when it happened but thought she survived. Why the hell didn't someone throw the breaker and shut it off? And what kind of idiot would let a little girl play in a washer in the first place, and then SHUT THE DOOR? That's what baffles me...
While I have a soft spot for Milnor double and triple-loaders and would take one any day, they have had too many dangerous flaws and they need to be corrected before laundromat use. On their website, there's a recall notice about faulty door latches/switches, and now this.
While I have a soft spot for Milnor double and triple-loaders and would take one any day, they have had too many dangerous flaws and they need to be corrected before laundromat use. On their website, there's a recall notice about faulty door latches/switches, and now this.
Where are the parents?
and why do the children not know this is not allowed?
and why do the children not know this is not allowed?
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there oughtta be a law
Ok, you need to have a liscense to drive, and to catch fish.
You need permits for a picnic.
Your dog must be registered and have shots.
Any bloomin idiot can reproduce...no tests, no evaluations, nothing for that required at all...
There oughtta be a law for that!
Ok, you need to have a liscense to drive, and to catch fish.
You need permits for a picnic.
Your dog must be registered and have shots.
Any bloomin idiot can reproduce...no tests, no evaluations, nothing for that required at all...
There oughtta be a law for that!
Quote: and all while the mother looked on...
Wanna bet the father or mother was on the cell-phone or busy chatting rather than being focused on the task at hand?
Multi-tasking? HA HA. Try doing one thing quickly quietly and efficienty, (and thoroughly) rather than five things "half-fast" and incomplete.
OK vented. feel better.
Wanna bet the father or mother was on the cell-phone or busy chatting rather than being focused on the task at hand?
Multi-tasking? HA HA. Try doing one thing quickly quietly and efficienty, (and thoroughly) rather than five things "half-fast" and incomplete.
OK vented. feel better.
westytoploader
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Any bloomin idiot can reproduce...no tests, no evaluations, nothing for that required at all...
There oughtta be a law for that!
A similar topic is addressed in George Orwell's 1984 which I read last year; Reproduction was limited to a certain socioeconomic class of people. I agree though; considering what I've seen as far as "low class" is concerned, there definitely needs to be a test for that!
There oughtta be a law for that!
A similar topic is addressed in George Orwell's 1984 which I read last year; Reproduction was limited to a certain socioeconomic class of people. I agree though; considering what I've seen as far as "low class" is concerned, there definitely needs to be a test for that!
Thats really bad-shows how an "innocent" machine such as a washer can be dangerous-esp a large coin-op model.did the son put the daughter in the machine as a joke-or did she crawl into it on her own out of curiosity?And yes why didn't someone open the breaker?they are supposed to be within sight of the machines just in case something like that happens or the machine catches on fire.Its been a long time since I have used such a machine-do newer ones have the large "emergency" stop buttons on them-many commercial industrial products now do under safety codes.Many years ago my father(insurance claim investigation) investigated an accident involving a "Wascomat" large capacity tumbler washer. the accident involved a laundry company employee who turned off the machine to remove laundry.As she reached inside-she leaned on the front panel with her other hand-the machine started and tore her arm off that reached into the unit.It was found that if pressure was applied to the front panel of the machine-it closed the door interlock switch allowing the machine to start and rotate the wash drum.The women did win the lawsuit.that is something to look out for if anyone has a Wascomat industrial washer in their collection.
In the incident above-that is why I don't have any faith in electronic controls on machines where safety may b e involved-hard contact closures are still best and safest.A hard switch closure may have prevented the accident.I hope OSHA And ANSI looks into this.I am wondering in that story if we are getting the WHOLE story?I don't have much confidence in our press either.
In the incident above-that is why I don't have any faith in electronic controls on machines where safety may b e involved-hard contact closures are still best and safest.A hard switch closure may have prevented the accident.I hope OSHA And ANSI looks into this.I am wondering in that story if we are getting the WHOLE story?I don't have much confidence in our press either.
fool can reproduce, and most do."----Anonymous.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
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"Any fool can reproduce, and most do."
I have to question why any washer would have a lock on the door and then not have any way to stop the machine and open the door in an emergency. It's just asking for trouble. While we might just think of these people as being dumb, these are kids that are getting hurt or worse and even smart kids do dumb things.
I didn't mean to sound at all mean...
It is very sad that a child died. Very.
L/Mb
It is very sad that a child died. Very.
L/Mb
Now I understand why the breakers are behind the machines on the wall in some laundromats.
IIRC- In the Wascomats a "normally-open" drain solenoid (when not energized) keeps the water in during the wash by having power applied).
Therefore "off-ing" the power would drain the machine and unlock the door...instantly.
IIRC- In the Wascomats a "normally-open" drain solenoid (when not energized) keeps the water in during the wash by having power applied).
Therefore "off-ing" the power would drain the machine and unlock the door...instantly.
mayken4now
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This is so sad, I fault the parents as well.
Listen here, Milnor Corp. of New Orleans Louisiana has been producing these machines for almost 50 years now. (Really I don't know but a real long time). There is always someone or something trying to fail another one's success. I hate this crap. Sorry folks!
Steve
Listen here, Milnor Corp. of New Orleans Louisiana has been producing these machines for almost 50 years now. (Really I don't know but a real long time). There is always someone or something trying to fail another one's success. I hate this crap. Sorry folks!
Steve
I can't imagine that horror, to watch your child killed before your eyes, images that would be burned into your mind forever.
Can that kind of grief be assuaged by $18.9 million dollars? It's sad how our society can put a dollar value on life but not on personal responsibility.
Can that kind of grief be assuaged by $18.9 million dollars? It's sad how our society can put a dollar value on life but not on personal responsibility.
I have always wondered why dryers have a "start" button, instead of just starting up when the door is closed, and the timer is set. Apparently, this is so that children can't set the timer, then climb into the machine and close the door, and have the machine start up. The fact that someone has to be outside the machine to start it up means that the chances of getting trapped in an operating machine are slim to none.
Most of the front loading machines I have seen have a cancel button on them that will stop, drain, and then unlock the machine. I am suprised that the commercial machines don't have anything of the such on them.
Then again, I was at a local laundromat washing some sleeping bags in a speed queen front loader. I noticed that I had let a string hanging out the door. There was not any way to stop the machine and get the door open to push the string back inside the door.
Most of the front loading machines I have seen have a cancel button on them that will stop, drain, and then unlock the machine. I am suprised that the commercial machines don't have anything of the such on them.
Then again, I was at a local laundromat washing some sleeping bags in a speed queen front loader. I noticed that I had let a string hanging out the door. There was not any way to stop the machine and get the door open to push the string back inside the door.
Being a father, that would kill me. It is very tragic.
The last sentence mentions that her brother is being charged with involuntary manslaughter. That suggests, that he helped her in, closed the door, and the machine started accidentily. If that is true, it goes back to the question, where were the parents?
As a parent (7 and 3 year old) I know where my kids are at all times, especially when we are around machinery. They couldn't have gotten away from me long enough to do that. It is tragic, but I don't understand people suing because they were not watching their kids.
The last sentence mentions that her brother is being charged with involuntary manslaughter. That suggests, that he helped her in, closed the door, and the machine started accidentily. If that is true, it goes back to the question, where were the parents?
As a parent (7 and 3 year old) I know where my kids are at all times, especially when we are around machinery. They couldn't have gotten away from me long enough to do that. It is tragic, but I don't understand people suing because they were not watching their kids.
jasonl
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I remember growing up with a big round Milnor machine. My mom (who worked there at the time) taught me just once "Never open that door while it's running and never get inside because it might start." Those words spoke 30 years ago ring true to this day. This was back in the day of the milnors with the old handle latches. You could easily open one while it was running.
Guess what? I sat and watched but never opened it. Gee. and I was about 5 or 6 years old at the time
Guess what? I sat and watched but never opened it. Gee. and I was about 5 or 6 years old at the time
For the last 5 years AT LEAST, Milnor has been putting out notices, advertisements, all kinds of communications to laundry owners notifying them of this problem with the older machines. I have been notified I don't know how many times since buying my laundry in 1999 and I don't have any Milnor equipment! They run ads serveral times a year in the trade journals, and the journals also run news stories on them. They have been doing this for soooooooo long, I don't think they are liable. It's the lazy ass, slum lord laundry owners who should pay, since they ignore the notices and don't upgrade the door lock/safety switch on their machines, which as I understand is a fairly easy thing to do. Crap like this causes all laundries to pay the penalty with steeper insurance premiums or being dropped altogether.
The problem with the circuit breakers is a double edge sword. If they are out and exposed, some wiseass invariable will mess with them. So, in most cases, they are hidden but accessible. Mine are in the top of the bulkheads between the washers. If you are not a laundry owner and an emergency situation arises, you wouldn't think to look there.
Dexter has only now introduced an emergency stop button on their washers. While softmount commercial washers are rare in a coin-op setting, they usually have a stop button also (because they are really OPL machines with a coin drop). No other manufacturer has them, altho' they are all talking about adding them. The problem with having a stop button is also a double edge sword. People will use it because they need to add a sock! Then when they reshut the door, they have to repay to start the machine. It does not pick up where it left off. Oy!
The problem with the circuit breakers is a double edge sword. If they are out and exposed, some wiseass invariable will mess with them. So, in most cases, they are hidden but accessible. Mine are in the top of the bulkheads between the washers. If you are not a laundry owner and an emergency situation arises, you wouldn't think to look there.
Dexter has only now introduced an emergency stop button on their washers. While softmount commercial washers are rare in a coin-op setting, they usually have a stop button also (because they are really OPL machines with a coin drop). No other manufacturer has them, altho' they are all talking about adding them. The problem with having a stop button is also a double edge sword. People will use it because they need to add a sock! Then when they reshut the door, they have to repay to start the machine. It does not pick up where it left off. Oy!
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