Glimpses of the future or gimmicks that'll fade into obscurity?
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I am not aware of garbage disposals being manufactured in Eu
Oh, they are, simply aren't that common as elsewhere.
As an example here you could buy them from Whirlpool, GE, Insinkerator but also from Nardi (Italian brand), Foster (another Italian brand).
And prices start at around 150 euros and up to 700!
Oh, they are, simply aren't that common as elsewhere.
As an example here you could buy them from Whirlpool, GE, Insinkerator but also from Nardi (Italian brand), Foster (another Italian brand).
And prices start at around 150 euros and up to 700!
dj-gabrielle
If garbage disposals are illegal in Italy and most of Europe, why would they still manufacture them? I haven't heard of these brands nor seen them sold over here ever.
BTW, I suspect that garbage disposals are mandated for high density housing by some councils in Sydney's inner west, because almost all of the new developments in those areas have them as a standard inclusion.
If garbage disposals are illegal in Italy and most of Europe, why would they still manufacture them? I haven't heard of these brands nor seen them sold over here ever.
BTW, I suspect that garbage disposals are mandated for high density housing by some councils in Sydney's inner west, because almost all of the new developments in those areas have them as a standard inclusion.
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It's DJ_Gabriele (SINGLE "L") please! 
Second, I said that now they are legal in Italy. (it wasn't 2003 but 2006 according to wikipedia that also pinpoints to the relevant law)
And also I attached you a link to the Foster page regarding the disposer if you want to know more.
Foster make fine looking appliances, almost as stylish as SMEG!
http://www.fosterspa.com/Prodotti/rm/Accessori/Dissipatore-per-rifiuti-alimentari
Second, I said that now they are legal in Italy. (it wasn't 2003 but 2006 according to wikipedia that also pinpoints to the relevant law)
And also I attached you a link to the Foster page regarding the disposer if you want to know more.
Foster make fine looking appliances, almost as stylish as SMEG!
http://www.fosterspa.com/Prodotti/rm/Accessori/Dissipatore-per-rifiuti-alimentari
It's DJ_Gabriele (SINGLE "L") please!
Sorry, it was a sloppy cut and paste job late in the night and I was never the best at spelling bee.
Well, Foster looks like a regular BoL/MoL disposer. Now, if only I had paid attention during Latin I could read the description, but I didn't.
Now, what is 'tappo convogliatore' used for? And when would you stick that thing in your disposer? Is this a continuous or a batch feeder?
On another note, I did find some material on composting and food waste disposers issued by Willoughby Council here in Sydney. They did also list food waste disposals as a way of dealing with organic waste, but further down the document there was a paragraph stating that Sydney Water discourages the installation of them for various reasons (they use electricity and water). They are definitely not illegal (yet), but I am sure someone will eventually try. If we have another drought I bet there'll be some greeny jumping up and down about them.
If it was up to them there'd be one communal tap and one communal power point for every ten households. The way they are pricing utilities over here, any household earning less than 150 K per year won't be able to afford them without government subsidies before long.
Sorry, it was a sloppy cut and paste job late in the night and I was never the best at spelling bee.
Well, Foster looks like a regular BoL/MoL disposer. Now, if only I had paid attention during Latin I could read the description, but I didn't.
Now, what is 'tappo convogliatore' used for? And when would you stick that thing in your disposer? Is this a continuous or a batch feeder?
On another note, I did find some material on composting and food waste disposers issued by Willoughby Council here in Sydney. They did also list food waste disposals as a way of dealing with organic waste, but further down the document there was a paragraph stating that Sydney Water discourages the installation of them for various reasons (they use electricity and water). They are definitely not illegal (yet), but I am sure someone will eventually try. If we have another drought I bet there'll be some greeny jumping up and down about them.
If it was up to them there'd be one communal tap and one communal power point for every ten households. The way they are pricing utilities over here, any household earning less than 150 K per year won't be able to afford them without government subsidies before long.
Disposers and plumbing
Disposers are good for plumbing systems as they help keep the drains clean with all the ground matter. Here in Washington DC Disposers are REQUIRED in all home kitchens and commercial food establishments. If waste water is properly treated disposers are GOOD for the environment as the collected materiel decomposes quickly and is returned to use as fertilizer. Disposers are also a good thing for septic systems as it adds greatly to the amount of beneficial material that goes into the septic tank.
Disposers are similar to the back-flush self-cleaning lint filters that WP-KM used on their washers for over 25 years in that they actually helped keep laundry drains clean with the scrubbing effect of lint being flushed down all at once.
Disposers are good for plumbing systems as they help keep the drains clean with all the ground matter. Here in Washington DC Disposers are REQUIRED in all home kitchens and commercial food establishments. If waste water is properly treated disposers are GOOD for the environment as the collected materiel decomposes quickly and is returned to use as fertilizer. Disposers are also a good thing for septic systems as it adds greatly to the amount of beneficial material that goes into the septic tank.
Disposers are similar to the back-flush self-cleaning lint filters that WP-KM used on their washers for over 25 years in that they actually helped keep laundry drains clean with the scrubbing effect of lint being flushed down all at once.
Interesting you should mention about droughts, greenies and how disposers actually help keep drains clean. Certainly, if we used a septic tank, I might consider one more - it might help keep those sprinklers at the local park unblocked!
(@rapunzel) But with all the droughts in this country, its amazing they haven't banned gardens, showers, baths, sinks, taps, washers, etc yet! I know Sydney, Melbourne and all that had it pretty damn hard for around 8 years. But now, the rain just doesn't stop over there. Couldya send some over to Perth? They desperately need the water!
I think global warming and all that is starting, since its gotten more humid in Perth for sure in recent years, and the summers here have cooled down, and wetted up (air wise) significantly these past few years.
Maybe I should just go to good ol' WA (USA) one day, meet the president and all that fun stuff
That way I don't have to worry so much about the world, if you get what I'm saying. My government will fix it...
(@rapunzel) But with all the droughts in this country, its amazing they haven't banned gardens, showers, baths, sinks, taps, washers, etc yet! I know Sydney, Melbourne and all that had it pretty damn hard for around 8 years. But now, the rain just doesn't stop over there. Couldya send some over to Perth? They desperately need the water!
I think global warming and all that is starting, since its gotten more humid in Perth for sure in recent years, and the summers here have cooled down, and wetted up (air wise) significantly these past few years.
Maybe I should just go to good ol' WA (USA) one day, meet the president and all that fun stuff
That way I don't have to worry so much about the world, if you get what I'm saying. My government will fix it..."But with all the droughts in this country, its amazing
Mate, they won't have to ban anyhing. They'll just price everything out of the reach of ordinary people. Successive state and federal governments have been doing exactly this by degrees over the past 10 years, so that people won't get too upset. They underpin this with propaganda and misinformation to garner public support and compliance. Precedent has taught our politicians that, as Australians, most of us put up and shut up and they can do whatever they want.
Our electricity infrastructure is owned by the Chinese now, who get generous tax breaks from the government to stimulate infrastructure investment, whilst consumers are being price gouged.
On the issue of garbage disposalls in commercial kitchens, I totally agree with combo52. Here any commercial kitchen has to run its drains through a grease trap, no insinkerators allowed. I've seen the gluggy mess that gets flushed down the sink and it ain't pretty. Unfortunately, here we also like to do everything the hard way and pragmatic solutions like garbage disposals in food preparation businesses are too complicated for our bureaucrats.
Another pet peeve of mine, for as long as I've lived here, are our plumbing regulations, which ban American standard kitchen sinks with mixer faucet and separate sprayer. A system that's been around and has proven itself for over 50 years.
When we first came here most kitchen sinks didn't use mixer taps and the idea of a sprayer was simply not conceivable as a real plumbing fixture. Apparently they don't allow the separate sprayer because they don't retract automatically and, if left lying in a sink full of contaminated water, they could syphon that water back into the clean water supply (which is a total crap explanation and shows a complete lack of understanding).
Now they allow the European faucets, with the nylon extension hose, that can be used as a sprayer and is built as one unit. Knowing how they work, I can't see why they should be any safer as the American system. I believe these regulations are designed, not so much to ensure safety and quality, but to limit consumer choice, education and keep prices high.
Mate, they won't have to ban anyhing. They'll just price everything out of the reach of ordinary people. Successive state and federal governments have been doing exactly this by degrees over the past 10 years, so that people won't get too upset. They underpin this with propaganda and misinformation to garner public support and compliance. Precedent has taught our politicians that, as Australians, most of us put up and shut up and they can do whatever they want.
Our electricity infrastructure is owned by the Chinese now, who get generous tax breaks from the government to stimulate infrastructure investment, whilst consumers are being price gouged.
On the issue of garbage disposalls in commercial kitchens, I totally agree with combo52. Here any commercial kitchen has to run its drains through a grease trap, no insinkerators allowed. I've seen the gluggy mess that gets flushed down the sink and it ain't pretty. Unfortunately, here we also like to do everything the hard way and pragmatic solutions like garbage disposals in food preparation businesses are too complicated for our bureaucrats.
Another pet peeve of mine, for as long as I've lived here, are our plumbing regulations, which ban American standard kitchen sinks with mixer faucet and separate sprayer. A system that's been around and has proven itself for over 50 years.
When we first came here most kitchen sinks didn't use mixer taps and the idea of a sprayer was simply not conceivable as a real plumbing fixture. Apparently they don't allow the separate sprayer because they don't retract automatically and, if left lying in a sink full of contaminated water, they could syphon that water back into the clean water supply (which is a total crap explanation and shows a complete lack of understanding).
Now they allow the European faucets, with the nylon extension hose, that can be used as a sprayer and is built as one unit. Knowing how they work, I can't see why they should be any safer as the American system. I believe these regulations are designed, not so much to ensure safety and quality, but to limit consumer choice, education and keep prices high.
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Here's the relevant English page.
You can scroll the manual and read it in English if you want!
The "tappo convogliatore" is just a conveyor to help press the stuff in the disposer.
http://www.fosterspa.com/Products/rm-en/Accessories/Dissipatore-560-W
You can scroll the manual and read it in English if you want!
The "tappo convogliatore" is just a conveyor to help press the stuff in the disposer.
http://www.fosterspa.com/Products/rm-en/Accessories/Dissipatore-560-W
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Garbage disposals and Trash compactors...
Seeing how we in the US with 5% of the world's population consume 20% of world resources and produce 25% of the trash... we need them!! :-(
Seeing how we in the US with 5% of the world's population consume 20% of world resources and produce 25% of the trash... we need them!! :-(
Better to have the food waste go down the disposer than go into the solid waste stream.
Same here
There were never and still are not available over here: dishwashers with built-in food disposer...
My prediction says this "gimmickery" will go on... smeg, AEG and LG have these orbital wash systems for many years now and do not seem to leave that. I do not think it is total crap, though...
There were never and still are not available over here: dishwashers with built-in food disposer...
My prediction says this "gimmickery" will go on... smeg, AEG and LG have these orbital wash systems for many years now and do not seem to leave that. I do not think it is total crap, though...
waste down the drain
Yes, I agree with Rex. As mentioned earlier, the whole idea behind food waste disposers, was for sanitation reasons. Stop rodents, maggots, larvae bacteria, from multiplyng in trash cans and dumps--and breaking one chain of disease transmission.
Maybe a little less necessary, but nevertheless desireable, if the avoidance of the stink of putrifying garbage in cans and dumpsites
You would think we lived in the 17th century, with people still putting organic waste out in the open when we have the means to get rid of it cleanly, and beneficially, to the environment.
Organic wastes, after being processed from a sewage treatment plant, I hear, is sometimes used for fertilizer for parks, city vegetation, etc.
Yeak, it might cost a little more the sewage treatment plant, if everyone were required to have a disposer, but isn't that s much smaller price to pay by society to help avoid disease within its members.
There's a lot to be said for the aesthetics to, with the reduction of solid wastes and odors. Aesthetic value is also one of the visible hallmarks of a society higher that's higher on the evolutionary scale.
Yes, I agree with Rex. As mentioned earlier, the whole idea behind food waste disposers, was for sanitation reasons. Stop rodents, maggots, larvae bacteria, from multiplyng in trash cans and dumps--and breaking one chain of disease transmission.
Maybe a little less necessary, but nevertheless desireable, if the avoidance of the stink of putrifying garbage in cans and dumpsites
You would think we lived in the 17th century, with people still putting organic waste out in the open when we have the means to get rid of it cleanly, and beneficially, to the environment.
Organic wastes, after being processed from a sewage treatment plant, I hear, is sometimes used for fertilizer for parks, city vegetation, etc.
Yeak, it might cost a little more the sewage treatment plant, if everyone were required to have a disposer, but isn't that s much smaller price to pay by society to help avoid disease within its members.
There's a lot to be said for the aesthetics to, with the reduction of solid wastes and odors. Aesthetic value is also one of the visible hallmarks of a society higher that's higher on the evolutionary scale.
"So How do self cleaning filters work? Do they use 4L of water to flush away dirt at the end of wash, 1st rinse, 2nd rinse etc?"
As you can see from my very professional drawing [insert dramatic pause here], self-cleaning filters use two streams of water. During washing and rinsing, water flows through the filter - shown by the darker blue lines. Soil collects on the filter's surface. During draining, the wash/rinse water is flushed along the surface of the filter, carrying the soil away and down the drain.
As you can see from my very professional drawing [insert dramatic pause here], self-cleaning filters use two streams of water. During washing and rinsing, water flows through the filter - shown by the darker blue lines. Soil collects on the filter's surface. During draining, the wash/rinse water is flushed along the surface of the filter, carrying the soil away and down the drain.
I get the plastic bags (yes) when I buy groceries and save them for either recycling glass and cans or garbage and throw them all into our weekly collection bins. I have an uphill septic pump and would never put a disposal that could cause problems with the pump or system and was advised to only use one ply white toilet paper. So far, almost 18 years and no problems, knock on wood. I would like to work out a way to drain the Maytag's 40 gallons of water every load into the woods around me.
Food type waste in solid waste streams--there is a GROSS video of a trash truck emptying a dumpster at a meat processing plant after deer hunting season--If you want-you have been warned -you can see it in the website of "Classic Refuse Trucks-under the Youtube channel of "Iculafin"-video is "trash truck vs deer season"That shows deer parts-including heads being crushed in a RL trash truck-Would think that some other means would be used for this type of waste in that area-like the fat rendering truck instead of a trash truck.-and of course that waste going to a landfill-GROSS!!!!Would have to think if the plant had a disposer to shred that kind of waste-would have to be a Somat or something like that.-and of course a HUGE capacity sewage line!
For my food waste grind it in one of my older VM machines-use the sink strainer to separate the stringy material-put that in the trash.Used a drain cleaner machine from Lowes to clean my waste line-now it works-so don't want the stringy matter in the system to clog it again.If I get a disposer-will be a batch feed model with undercutters to shred that stringy stuff.My kitchen isn't set up for a cont feeder type machine.No wall switch for the cont type disposer.
For my food waste grind it in one of my older VM machines-use the sink strainer to separate the stringy material-put that in the trash.Used a drain cleaner machine from Lowes to clean my waste line-now it works-so don't want the stringy matter in the system to clog it again.If I get a disposer-will be a batch feed model with undercutters to shred that stringy stuff.My kitchen isn't set up for a cont feeder type machine.No wall switch for the cont type disposer.
@logixx
I still don't quite grasp the concept of this filter. Is there a separate drain that isn't shown (that doesn't have a filter) where this dirt "floats off too" or does the filter also have some sort of "skimmer" in it to catch the garbage as it flows over.
When looking at a GE Potscrubber line, I can't quite see how that works...
Maybe I should read the post again
I still don't quite grasp the concept of this filter. Is there a separate drain that isn't shown (that doesn't have a filter) where this dirt "floats off too" or does the filter also have some sort of "skimmer" in it to catch the garbage as it flows over.
When looking at a GE Potscrubber line, I can't quite see how that works...
Maybe I should read the post again
Ge self cleaning filter
Hi Washer111,
The early GE self cleaning filter, on the Potscrubbers, was somewhat unique. It is not a full time filter like most brands in the 80's. That is 100 precent of the water in the tub is not being actively pumped through a filter and cleaned.
The filter is in the back of the tub and is "passive." that is, it relies on catching some of the water that is heading back to the bottom of the tub and filtering it. Most of this wataer has hit the back wall of the tub and flows down into the filter through large openings on top. It water exits the filter through a small screen (looks just like window screen!) at the bottom, and leaves the food wastes inside the filter.
There is a little chamber at the bottom of the filter where the food wastes collect. When the dishwsher drains, the water pressure from the drain water pushed up a plunger which seals the top of the collection chamber and the food wastes arae forced out into the drain line. And Voila! You have a clean filter, ready to go again for the next fill.
During the long (main) wash, which is about 45 minutes or so probably most of the water, is "caught" and eventually passes through the filter at some time or another as it circulates.
No, its not as efficient as say a KitchenAid or Maytag where every drop of water has to pass through the filter before entering the pump. But is is a clever design, cheap for General Electric to add to their existing dishwasher without very little modification to the pumping system. (Actually just a splice into the drain line.) But they could now advertise they have filtering and compete against other brands.
It reality, though, it does work. One on of my low line Potscrubbers, the little plunger got stuck and the chamber would not empty, Believe me, there was a LOT of food waste crud in there!
Attached is a picture of the passive filter in my GSD 2800. Sorry about the photo quality. You can see the larger grate openings at the top where water is caught. In the lower center is the exit screen. Beneath the little protrusion in the center (partially hidden by the power tower) is the opening to the soil chamber below the tub.
Hi Washer111,
The early GE self cleaning filter, on the Potscrubbers, was somewhat unique. It is not a full time filter like most brands in the 80's. That is 100 precent of the water in the tub is not being actively pumped through a filter and cleaned.
The filter is in the back of the tub and is "passive." that is, it relies on catching some of the water that is heading back to the bottom of the tub and filtering it. Most of this wataer has hit the back wall of the tub and flows down into the filter through large openings on top. It water exits the filter through a small screen (looks just like window screen!) at the bottom, and leaves the food wastes inside the filter.
There is a little chamber at the bottom of the filter where the food wastes collect. When the dishwsher drains, the water pressure from the drain water pushed up a plunger which seals the top of the collection chamber and the food wastes arae forced out into the drain line. And Voila! You have a clean filter, ready to go again for the next fill.
During the long (main) wash, which is about 45 minutes or so probably most of the water, is "caught" and eventually passes through the filter at some time or another as it circulates.
No, its not as efficient as say a KitchenAid or Maytag where every drop of water has to pass through the filter before entering the pump. But is is a clever design, cheap for General Electric to add to their existing dishwasher without very little modification to the pumping system. (Actually just a splice into the drain line.) But they could now advertise they have filtering and compete against other brands.
It reality, though, it does work. One on of my low line Potscrubbers, the little plunger got stuck and the chamber would not empty, Believe me, there was a LOT of food waste crud in there!
Attached is a picture of the passive filter in my GSD 2800. Sorry about the photo quality. You can see the larger grate openings at the top where water is caught. In the lower center is the exit screen. Beneath the little protrusion in the center (partially hidden by the power tower) is the opening to the soil chamber below the tub.
washer111
The soft food disposer in the GE 2800 is nothing more than a wire that spins very quickly and further pulverizes whatever food particles float around in the wash water. After I decommissioned my damaged 2800, I took the motor assembly apart and had a look inside the filter chamber. To my surprise it was very clean. For the life of that dishwasher I never had any complaints about crud in the water. I agree with bwoods, it may be a simple design, but it does work very well.
The soft food disposer in the GE 2800 is nothing more than a wire that spins very quickly and further pulverizes whatever food particles float around in the wash water. After I decommissioned my damaged 2800, I took the motor assembly apart and had a look inside the filter chamber. To my surprise it was very clean. For the life of that dishwasher I never had any complaints about crud in the water. I agree with bwoods, it may be a simple design, but it does work very well.
GEs DW Self Cleaning Filter
GE was actually ahead of it time as Barry mentioned, most other DWs went to a filter that does not filter all the water constantly. During that 45 minute wash GE used you can be sure all the wash water is filtered many many times. And as I mentioned in another post the problem with the old KAs and the original MT RR DWs is that the filter can clog and block all most all wash action. The WP PC design and KA KD-23s was the first really effective filter system that could not clog and slow down the wash action. And to this day was the most effective, powerful pump and filtering and food disposing system EVER installed in a home DW.
GE was actually ahead of it time as Barry mentioned, most other DWs went to a filter that does not filter all the water constantly. During that 45 minute wash GE used you can be sure all the wash water is filtered many many times. And as I mentioned in another post the problem with the old KAs and the original MT RR DWs is that the filter can clog and block all most all wash action. The WP PC design and KA KD-23s was the first really effective filter system that could not clog and slow down the wash action. And to this day was the most effective, powerful pump and filtering and food disposing system EVER installed in a home DW.
orignal Maytag RR
Yeah, I agree John that was the biggest problem with the KitchenAids. My parents had one, I think it was a 1982 model and over a period of several years, washing efficiency dropped. I always suspected it was the filter clogging as it was not slef-cleaning like the Maytags.
If I recall correctly, the filter was somewhat thick. I did rinse it under the tap, but I imagine there was material collecting in the inner depths of the filter.
Did the first Maytag Reverse Racks not have that backwash feature for their filters? Mine is a belt drive, approximately a 1984 model. I took it apart and it has two rotating jet arms that constanting spray water from the inside out of the filter, and they rotate within it, giving it a constant "backwash."
Yeah, I agree John that was the biggest problem with the KitchenAids. My parents had one, I think it was a 1982 model and over a period of several years, washing efficiency dropped. I always suspected it was the filter clogging as it was not slef-cleaning like the Maytags.
If I recall correctly, the filter was somewhat thick. I did rinse it under the tap, but I imagine there was material collecting in the inner depths of the filter.
Did the first Maytag Reverse Racks not have that backwash feature for their filters? Mine is a belt drive, approximately a 1984 model. I took it apart and it has two rotating jet arms that constanting spray water from the inside out of the filter, and they rotate within it, giving it a constant "backwash."
Which manufacturer advertised "The Hundred Gallon Dishwasher," meaning the filtered water used in a cycle was the equivalent of 100 gallons of fresh water?
I have vague memories of some sort of advertising in that vein.
I have vague memories of some sort of advertising in that vein.
Early MT DWs
All had the same type self-cleaning back-wash filter system, without this filter the small holes in the wash-arms would clogged in about 20 seconds. LOL. The original pump and motor was not only quieter but there was no belt slippage so the pump would always produce full water pressure.
All had the same type self-cleaning back-wash filter system, without this filter the small holes in the wash-arms would clogged in about 20 seconds. LOL. The original pump and motor was not only quieter but there was no belt slippage so the pump would always produce full water pressure.
John,
Were the pump/motor in orginal Maytag RR, with the direct drive, mounted horizonally or vertically??
If I recall correctly, some pictures I saw on this site, or somewhere, the original RR had heavy mastic all over the tub. All the ones I have had, only had one piece of sound absorbing mastic on the back of the tub.
Were the pump/motor in orginal Maytag RR, with the direct drive, mounted horizonally or vertically??
If I recall correctly, some pictures I saw on this site, or somewhere, the original RR had heavy mastic all over the tub. All the ones I have had, only had one piece of sound absorbing mastic on the back of the tub.
Thanks to bwoods, rapunzel for enlightening me on how the self cleaning filter system works.
Now I understand Seems like a simplistic system, however I would have the drain pump in the little bit between the mesh, so water has to flow thru the filter, clean it, and whatever is in at the "between" bit, thru a disposer and into drain, with a flap that opens when he water is too low for that to be possible. (I could illustrate, if someone needs).
Now I understand
Seems like a simplistic system, however I would have the drain pump in the little bit between the mesh, so water has to flow thru the filter, clean it, and whatever is in at the "between" bit, thru a disposer and into drain, with a flap that opens when he water is too low for that to be possible. (I could illustrate, if someone needs).
bwoods, thanks for that explanation...we had a 980? (one step down from a 1200) for years (replaced a 1978 Kitchenaid in 1988 or so which never turned out to be very satisfactory). The GE worked very nicely all the years my parents had it. I'd never really understood the filtering process in the GE (other than it was clearly a step-up feature in the line) but the passive design makes perfect sense. They have a rubber collection chamber/sump under the tub. It was a very clever design which made them a lot of $$ over the years...it was both a relatively easy adaptation of the plastic-tub design (one of the real benefits of their moving to the plastic tub was the ease with which they could make these types of changes) and provided a good washing performance. Thanks for the clear explanation!
actually, Washer111, there is a jet on the bottom of the bottom of the lower spray arm that backwashes that screen in the center of the filter and keeps it clean.
So as to not make for a too long explanation, there was one other early feature, that was later dropped on the passive filter, that I did not mention. In the picture I posted, in that protrusion in the lower center (partially hidden by the washarm) is a small opening sealed with a round rubber flapper. So I have attached a new close-up of it.
When the piston goes up, to seal off the lower soil chamber and allow the water to flush it, the top of it pushes open this little flapper and drains any residual water/gunk into the sump for drainage. GE later dropped this little flapper valve as, I guess, they found it unnecessary.
So it sounds as if may have been close to what you were describing, Washer111. Good job!
So as to not make for a too long explanation, there was one other early feature, that was later dropped on the passive filter, that I did not mention. In the picture I posted, in that protrusion in the lower center (partially hidden by the washarm) is a small opening sealed with a round rubber flapper. So I have attached a new close-up of it.
When the piston goes up, to seal off the lower soil chamber and allow the water to flush it, the top of it pushes open this little flapper and drains any residual water/gunk into the sump for drainage. GE later dropped this little flapper valve as, I guess, they found it unnecessary.
So it sounds as if may have been close to what you were describing, Washer111. Good job!
washer111, fast-forward to about 7:30. This educational video from a German children's TV show shows a Miele dishwasher draining (and cleaning) the filter system.
Interesting german video! I do seem to understand that, based on the pictures they showed, such as of the ion-exchange resins for water softening, the filter etc.
I watched the whole thing, but because it wasn't in English, I didn't quite get it, although I can understand how it might work (I think!)
I watched the whole thing, but because it wasn't in English, I didn't quite get it, although I can understand how it might work (I think!)
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It is not a Miele...
It is a Siemens.
It is a Siemens.
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