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Some of you may have already heard about this, but……

Here is California (apparently nation wide) a new program started 4/22/10 that is designed to get people to buy new energy efficient appliances, including clothes washers.

The good part (?) is it gives consumers major incentives / rebates for buying a new machine. (I spoke to a buddy yesterday who told me a local major appliance store told him, if he bought this FL washer for $1000, after the incentives/rebates from the Fed, State & utility company, the net cost is around $200!!)

HOWEVER, the BAD thing (especially for those who like the older appliances) the old appliances that are being replaced M U S T be recycled (crushed/destroyed)! Egad!

It’s a REAL shame for those of us who want to save and collect the older machines!

The link below has more info about it.

Kevin

 
South dakota's rebate program has used up the money alottment
ans has stopped,ended up it was mostly refrigerators and
freezers turned in here-except for models using complex
electronic,varible speed compressor drive or other exotic
technolgy,i am not convinced that a new fridge is neccesarily
more efficient than a good,well insulated older one-might put
a watt-hour meter on mine to see what they consume,did check
the amp draw of the two "mini friges"out in the garage;'68
"topp"(italian)pulled .7A while a smaller,japanese,70s,norcold
pulled .4A,so just a trickle in either case.
 
I said it a while back...the "cash for clunkers" means giving up your old machine in exchange for the new machine.....this is why I have a few clunkers (frigidaire plactic crap) hidden behind the garage, just for such emergencies like this.....if I could get a deal on a Speed Queen FL set with a rebate and a worthless machine...I'm game!....just not giving up my vintage sets...
 
All of this Cash For Clunkres nonsense.
I think we should have a cash for clunkers program to trade in the morons who come up with these useless programs, and redeem them for people who have a brain and will actually focus on something worthwile
 
A common misnomer here - you don't have to trade anything in to get a rebate. So, maybe this won't make quite as many scads of old gems go to waste? If someone DOES have a trade in, it can't find a way into a rebuilder's hands, but that sounds like something that is more and more going to be the case these days as our government tries to wrestle all the water hogs from our mits.

Sears is advertising this 'Responsible Appliance Disposal" RAD line of crap, but if using an old machine to continue what it was built for, or using it to repair others is not responsible, then shoot me now. Using energy and materials to build and distribute a new appliance, then use more energy to dispose of the old one uses more energy and carbon emmissions and is more wasteful than continuing to use the old one as-is, especially at the replacement rate of the stuff being built by most makers today.

Gordon
 
Even if the cash for clunkers doesn't require something traded in, there definitely seems to me that there's a movement to do everything possible to get people to get rid old appliances permanently.

I don't like it. Like others here, I question if a modern efficient appliance is really that great for the earth when it saves a few dollars on power, but requires regular replacement.

One other thing that frustrates me about any attempt to permanently take appliances out of service is what about the people who cannot afford a new appliance? There are people for whom $100 used, reconditioned is a major investment.

Even people who can afford to buy new might not really be able to afford it. Many can swing a new $500 washer. But can they swing another $500 washer in 4 years when that first washer has irreparable bearing failure? And then in another 4 years when a control board fries and can't be replaced at any price.
 
Minnesota, you did not have to get rid of your old one, but if you did on the Fridge, you got an extra $100.

The fund ran out in 24 hours here in MN.
 
dang,they must really want to get rid of all the old fridges
for some reason-many electrical utilities have a bounty on
those too,though i have not noticed them to be big power hogs
-at least not the ones i have...
A big,Ca.1958 GE window AC i use for cooling the garage does
suck the power(about 18a at 230v),but it is very effective
and with it's 4 pole,1725rpm compressor runs oh so nice!
 
Like "Cash For Clunkers" car incentive-another STOOPID Govt state and Fed-program to WASTE tax moneys to dispose of perfectly good older machines--that sake for the world-could be "recycled" in less fortunate folks homes-or those of appliance collectors.Esp for the JUNK the folks would be trading their vintage machines towards-SCRAP this Stupid program and move on-Get the Govt-State and Fed out of the car and appliance businesses-WASTE OF MONEY!!!!Think of all that money,energy and fuel WASTED disposing of good appliances towards new ones that will probably meet the scrapper within 5Yrs!!Will keep mine thank you.If I buy new-will put the older ones aside.
On AC units-my Central Lennox unit cools my WHOLE house on less than 15A at 230V!Are you sure the "window" unit is pulling that much power at 230V?Maybe 5-6A for a smaller unit running on 230V.My Lennox unit is about 10Yrs old.Most hermetic piston AC comressors are 4 pole.2 pole 3450RPM hermetic motors are used in scroll and centrifical units.At one workplace--to cool and area where I worked-the building had a load management system-unfortunately thaey didn't consider the area where I worked was manned 24hrs-3 shifts.So when I came onthe previous shift didn't like AC-I had to go down to the building basement and fire up chiller unit#3-a 1200T cap Trane Centrifical chiller!Was thrilling to start it!and the shop felt good several min after!The window units in our shop died-and weren't replaced.Wondered what other areas that unit was cooling!It had a 3450RPM 2500V 3ph 80A motor.Was in Wash DC.The unit was designed to be started and run remotely.One button started the chiller and its pumps and it loaded automatically-you could see the compressor intake valve motors operate.That was the LARGEST Hermetic motor on an AC compressor I had ever seen-it was about as large as a 55Gal oil barrel.
 
cash for clunkers

Hey Kev, I'm right there with ya, I'm the appliance sales manager at the store where I work in Vermont. We had the cash for clunkers in March, we had to cut the power cord off the back of the washer when we picked it up. there were alot of kenmore appliances 10 yrs or newer, nothing vintage (darn) Mike
 
In Ohio, trade-in was mandatory

Proof of recycling the old appliances was mandatory in Ohio; no resale allowed. I thought part of recycling was reuse?

Also, as someone else mentioned, there are plenty of people in this economy who can't afford a new appliance but could swing a few bucks for a decent used one. Even if most of the trade-ins were in poor condition, not all were. Didn't matter - everything had to go to the recycler.

The local paper did a survey of zip codes where the rebates were most popular; the middle-class areas took most of the rebates. The rich folk couldn't be bothered to save $100 off a dishwasher, and the poorer folk couldn't afford new appliances, period.
 

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