launderess
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Oh, And By The Way
There is name for you ladies, only it isn't used in high society; outside of a kennel.
There is name for you ladies, only it isn't used in high society; outside of a kennel.
Gratuitous photo of Joan Crawford
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michaelman2
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Well all...she has us still talking about her...some impression she made. Kind of like this "Anna Nicole Smith" thing...the stranger they appear the more they are talked about.
launderess
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Regarding child abuse:
No one said it should be/should have been condoned, just that it was hard to go up against "powerful" people at that time. The doctor who was a suspect in the "Black Dahlia" murder apparently did all sorts of horrible things to his daughter (and allowed his other famous male friends to do so as well), but when charges were finally brought, not one person would stand up in court against the man, so the jury let him off.
Joan Crawford like Bette Davis remain larger than life for various reasons; though IMHO Bette Davis was a far better actress, and certianly had better roles that spring to mind,than JC. Aside from "The Women" and "Mildred Pierce", cannot recall many JC film roles. Oh there is "The Best of Everything" but JC was not the "star" of that film, IIRC.
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No one said it should be/should have been condoned, just that it was hard to go up against "powerful" people at that time. The doctor who was a suspect in the "Black Dahlia" murder apparently did all sorts of horrible things to his daughter (and allowed his other famous male friends to do so as well), but when charges were finally brought, not one person would stand up in court against the man, so the jury let him off.
Joan Crawford like Bette Davis remain larger than life for various reasons; though IMHO Bette Davis was a far better actress, and certianly had better roles that spring to mind,than JC. Aside from "The Women" and "Mildred Pierce", cannot recall many JC film roles. Oh there is "The Best of Everything" but JC was not the "star" of that film, IIRC.
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launderess
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P.S. That Pose
Pure Hollywood studio system coaching/taught,they just do not produce actresses/actors like that any more. What passes for "acting" today must have screen stars from the 30's though 50's turning in their graves. Those living like Lauren Bacall, Elizabeth Taylor and others are right to put down the PR hype that persons such as Miss. Paltrow are "legends".
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Pure Hollywood studio system coaching/taught,they just do not produce actresses/actors like that any more. What passes for "acting" today must have screen stars from the 30's though 50's turning in their graves. Those living like Lauren Bacall, Elizabeth Taylor and others are right to put down the PR hype that persons such as Miss. Paltrow are "legends".
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brettsomers
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as miss Davis once said...
about special effects being popular in movies... " im my day we had ONE special effect... TALENT."
about special effects being popular in movies... " im my day we had ONE special effect... TALENT."
sudsmaster
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I'm with Jason on this. I never found Joan Crawford to be attractive, just kind of scary, even a little grotesque. This was well before "Mommie Dearest" was published, too. It's kind of amazing that the Crawford look was what Hollywood and the American public wanted in those years (30's through 40's), but there you have it.
I recall that a secretary where I worked when the movie version was released was outraged by what she regarded as tattle-telling by Christina. She felt it was wrong for children to reveal such things about their deceased parents. On the other hand, the secretary's secret lifelong ambition was to go to school to learn how to apply makeup on dead bodies to make them look lifelike and beautiful again. There may be a lesson there.
I recall that a secretary where I worked when the movie version was released was outraged by what she regarded as tattle-telling by Christina. She felt it was wrong for children to reveal such things about their deceased parents. On the other hand, the secretary's secret lifelong ambition was to go to school to learn how to apply makeup on dead bodies to make them look lifelike and beautiful again. There may be a lesson there.
customline
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Well............
The fact is, Joan Crawford's adoption of two children was merely a front. This gesture was made to make her look good to the public and to win the public's affection. These issues about abuse desperately need to be revealed and examined out in the open so abuse cannot happen again to anyone. Also, she loved her fans but she knew she needed her fans to succeed. It wasn't love at all really, it was good business sense.
The fact is, Joan Crawford's adoption of two children was merely a front. This gesture was made to make her look good to the public and to win the public's affection. These issues about abuse desperately need to be revealed and examined out in the open so abuse cannot happen again to anyone. Also, she loved her fans but she knew she needed her fans to succeed. It wasn't love at all really, it was good business sense.
toggleswitch
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Reminds me of something rumored to be a true story.
During an adoption interview, never ask for an Asian child because it continues the theme of your Oriental-style furniture /decorating.
How gross is that?
During an adoption interview, never ask for an Asian child because it continues the theme of your Oriental-style furniture /decorating.
How gross is that?
hoover1060
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define abuse please
I grew up with parents that believed in discipline. I was not abused, but certainly got the deserved smack here and there. I think my parents did a good job raising me and my sister.
In today's PC society you can't even smack an unruly child on the butt without someone calling it child abuse. Thats just plain BS.
To quote my father "Nothing wrong with these kids today a good swift kick in the A** wouldn't fix"
I grew up with parents that believed in discipline. I was not abused, but certainly got the deserved smack here and there. I think my parents did a good job raising me and my sister.
In today's PC society you can't even smack an unruly child on the butt without someone calling it child abuse. Thats just plain BS.
To quote my father "Nothing wrong with these kids today a good swift kick in the A** wouldn't fix"
jasonl
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Spanking vs. Coat hangers
I too belive that a butt spanking is good for kids when they're bad BUT, apparently Joan took it upon herself to beat, slap, kick, scream, curse, yell, control, intimidate, and torment her children for almost no reason. There's a difference.
I grew up with my share of spankings and some controlling and intimidation but nothing like what some kids go through.
Prime example. My cousin's grandchildren live in a "white trash" home. The father drinks and runs around, the wife called be called a whore but she does it for free. The children are spoiled and have so much anger and hate inside them. And they're only 5 and 7 years old.
My cousin takes care of the littlest one who loves the throw major fits whenever he wants to. So she whoops his little a$$. Some lady at the store hollered at my cousin for doing this. Hello? You just gonna let the kid get his way? Actually those kids are in a bad way. Someone needs to call social services, but my cousin won't let that happen. Just a little subplot in the soap opera known as my family.
I too belive that a butt spanking is good for kids when they're bad BUT, apparently Joan took it upon herself to beat, slap, kick, scream, curse, yell, control, intimidate, and torment her children for almost no reason. There's a difference.
I grew up with my share of spankings and some controlling and intimidation but nothing like what some kids go through.
Prime example. My cousin's grandchildren live in a "white trash" home. The father drinks and runs around, the wife called be called a whore but she does it for free. The children are spoiled and have so much anger and hate inside them. And they're only 5 and 7 years old.
My cousin takes care of the littlest one who loves the throw major fits whenever he wants to. So she whoops his little a$$. Some lady at the store hollered at my cousin for doing this. Hello? You just gonna let the kid get his way? Actually those kids are in a bad way. Someone needs to call social services, but my cousin won't let that happen. Just a little subplot in the soap opera known as my family.
jasonl
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Suds
I never found Joan or Marilyn sexy at all. Not even pretty.
Now Judy Garland... *faint*
I never found Joan or Marilyn sexy at all. Not even pretty.
Now Judy Garland... *faint*
polkanut
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Amen, I'm with Jason & Jeff. I too received the well deserved spankings. As a kid I was a little b%$&#! Everything spanking I got was deserved, and I feel that I'm a better adult for it now.
jasonl
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Polka, and guess what? It didn't kill us! Wow. What a concept.
Well, Joan was not the model to look up to for corporal punishment.
Well, Joan was not the model to look up to for corporal punishment.
air-waycharlie
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brettsummers review........
Thank you brettsummers for the true story of Billie Cassin aka Joan Crawford. The "Mommie Dearest" movie is so over the top and not completely true. Probably 50% of that movie is just crap that exploited the book.
For serious Joan fans who have read true books about her, you know she was beloved in Hollywood by directors, producers and the many people on the set. As brett pointed out, she literally came from destitute abject poverty and by watching lots of people over the years, (espically with the help of Mary Pickford, her mother-in-law from first husband, Douglas Fairbanks Jr.), became one of the most sucessful and influential women in Hollywood.
To illustrate, when "Mommie Dearest" was being cast, Anne Bankcroft was considered for the role. Thanks to an insider, she was told politely, don't do it! When the film was made, George Cukor, (and some of his powerful cronies), was still living and still wielding a lot of clout in LaLaland and he was very close to Joan. Anybody taking on that role was probably commiting career suicide. And guess what, where is Faye Dunaway today? And how about Diana Scarwid? Oh, I forgot, she is so forgettable that you probably don't remember her as the adult Christina. Think George & Co. had a hand in things? Perhaps.
Joan was troubled no doubt and I'm sure terrible things happened in her home. But there have been troubled people since the beginning of time and terrible things have happened at the hands of parents since the beginning of time. She was just a human being and probably did the best she could with what she had at the time. The raging alcoholism surely did not help but remember, there was no Betty Ford Center, no Phil Donahue, no Oprah and no Dr. Wayne Dyer.
I like her because she chose not to be a victom but rose to the top and overcame terrible hurdles. I own probably everyone of her films. Like her or not for whatever reason, she possessed something special or we would not be talking about her on this forum and her pictures would not have been posted.
Thank you brettsummers for the true story of Billie Cassin aka Joan Crawford. The "Mommie Dearest" movie is so over the top and not completely true. Probably 50% of that movie is just crap that exploited the book.
For serious Joan fans who have read true books about her, you know she was beloved in Hollywood by directors, producers and the many people on the set. As brett pointed out, she literally came from destitute abject poverty and by watching lots of people over the years, (espically with the help of Mary Pickford, her mother-in-law from first husband, Douglas Fairbanks Jr.), became one of the most sucessful and influential women in Hollywood.
To illustrate, when "Mommie Dearest" was being cast, Anne Bankcroft was considered for the role. Thanks to an insider, she was told politely, don't do it! When the film was made, George Cukor, (and some of his powerful cronies), was still living and still wielding a lot of clout in LaLaland and he was very close to Joan. Anybody taking on that role was probably commiting career suicide. And guess what, where is Faye Dunaway today? And how about Diana Scarwid? Oh, I forgot, she is so forgettable that you probably don't remember her as the adult Christina. Think George & Co. had a hand in things? Perhaps.
Joan was troubled no doubt and I'm sure terrible things happened in her home. But there have been troubled people since the beginning of time and terrible things have happened at the hands of parents since the beginning of time. She was just a human being and probably did the best she could with what she had at the time. The raging alcoholism surely did not help but remember, there was no Betty Ford Center, no Phil Donahue, no Oprah and no Dr. Wayne Dyer.
I like her because she chose not to be a victom but rose to the top and overcame terrible hurdles. I own probably everyone of her films. Like her or not for whatever reason, she possessed something special or we would not be talking about her on this forum and her pictures would not have been posted.
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Thank you Mr Watrous
next time i post a long rant, i will strive for *paragraphs*. monster blobs of words are not good... lol.
next time i post a long rant, i will strive for *paragraphs*. monster blobs of words are not good... lol.
brettsomers
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Joan Crawford was born in San Antonio. i think near the site of the Alamodome.
