HE Toploader Water Usage

[windrivers]

speed queen perfect wash

The Speed Queen TR series has the same capacity and apparently uses the same tub and basket, so until someone can verify, I assume a full fill would use substantially the same as the TC.

It still isn't clear to me exactly what the resource saving advantages are of the TR series. I know John has made the claim that, even though the TR has a motor that advertises twice the hp of the TC, it uses 1/4 the energy of the induction motor used in the TC. Even assuming he means for the same power output, it still doesn't seem to add up. (https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?92925_75 Reply 70)

As I recall, a typical induction motor has an efficiency rating well into the 90s which would seem to mean that the motor used in the TR would have to have an efficiency rating of over 360%, which I don't think stands up to reason or physics.

It must use less hot water by tempering the temperature as I understand that is supposed to be a big factor in energy use. Again, maybe others can verify.

 

[DADoES]

 
I don't think the TR series is considered a high-efficiency design and it's not marketed as such.  The touted benefits are super-quiet operation, less fabric wear, and reliability of a simpler mechanism.

 

[windrivers]

Yet supposedly SQ's reason for the redesign was to meet increasing regulations, which makes me think they're somehow supposed to be more efficient. They're said to have brought the "classic" design back when they found a "loophole". I didn't say the TRs claimed to be HE.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

stringent rules

So now that the rules are becoming more stringent in terms of water and electricity, what will Speed Queen do to their top load washers?

 

[DADoES]

 
IMO ...

The "loophole" for SQ TC is temperature restriction and reduced water usage via spray rinse instead of agitated rinse, on only the Normal/Eco cycle.  The wash fill is still minimum 13 gallons (per 2019 info) for even one sock.  The rinse restriction can be bypassed easily by selecting Extra Rinse.  The added concession to regulations on the TRs, beyond the same temp and spray rinse on Normal/Eco as TC, is automatic water level sensing but it's not overly frugal per videos.

Consider that the Neptune TL dates back 20-ish years, early in the HE toploader curve.  Calypso predates Neptune TL and is a better design.  Very frugal for washing, generous for rinsing.  I drained a similar whites load into my KitchenAid toploader years ago.  It filled the KA to the rim of the basket, right up to the tub ring.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

speed queen perfect wash cycles

Personally, I'd stay away from the normal eco cycle and stick with heavy duty.

 

[logixx]

In Australia, Speed Queen say their AWNE92 uses 31 gallons for a presumably full 19 lbs. load on the Normal Eco cycle, which includes a Spin-Spray rinse for 3:57 minutes.

 

[egress]

if only the kinks in the calypso design would have been worked out, it is quite a cool concept and definitely very water frugal. not quite as good as any modern front loader i'd guess but likely better than many HE toploaders even today.

 

[DADoES]

 
40.8 gals.  Neptune TL, queen-size quilt, Bulky cycle, extra rinse, one interim spin skipped for balance failure, spray on final spin skipped (tap purposely turned off).  10.2 gals average per each of wash and three rinses.

 

[bpetersxx]

not really sure what the consumption is

Hope somebody knows

here is eye candy not really sure why it is small

 

[DADoES]

 
For comparison ... F&P IWL12 Intuitive Eco.  Queen-size sheets set plus eight shirts.  Traditional wash (no Eco treatment).  Creasables option which adds a cool-down (full drain, refill, agitate), and water level auto-sensing is oriented toward a higher fill by increasing the fill one level higher than auto-sensing selects, although in this case it selected High so can't go more than that.  Total 69.7 gals.

 

[bpetersxx]

88

disregard

i need to check to see if changing the boards changed the cycles and the water usages