Hello! New Member Here! :-)

Automatic Washer - The world's coolest Washing Machines, Dryers and Dishwashers

Help Support AutomaticWasher.org:

C

carlstock

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 19, 2006
Messages
388
Hi, everyone. :-)

I hope I have put this in the right place, but I thought I should say hello. :-)

My name is Carl, and I am from the UK. I have a great interest in pre-Indesit Hotpoint appliances, particularly washing machines and especially the Microtronic washing machine we had, as well as Zanussi washing machines. I have developed an interest in Miele appliances, especially after recently purchasing a Miele washing machine. Mmm… :-)

I must say hello to nickuk, who suggested I sign up here. :-) I sent a message to him on YouTube after watching his great videos, and he is probably still nursing a headache after the rather large message I sent him detailing my anecdotes of Hotpoint Microtronic washing machines! :-)

I will leave it there for now, but I will say well done to those whose aim it is to preserve what are in fact pieces of history. I love history. Some may laugh and some may think we are strange. Let them. Each to their own – enjoy what you like. At least you can say you know how to use domestic appliances. 99% of men most likely cannot use a washing machine – but you can! :-) (Apologies to any ladies here! :-))

Take care.

Regards,

Carl :-)
 
welcome Carl

plenty from across the pond but a MEGA hi from Crewe! Im sure between the pair of us we could have a good ol moan about todays "HOTPOINT" machines. take care from one Hotpoint lover to another! Lol Nick
 
Welcome, Carl

No headache - glad to chat, I hope you'll find this site a source of useful information and maybe even some buddies. I see you're in Hertfordshire, only 3 years ago I lived and taught in Hertfordshire. I lived in Ware and taught in Cheshunt.

Nick
 
Hello, guys, and a cold and warm and then cold and then warm and then possibly rainy and then… Oh, I can’t keep up with my own weather! LOL

Thanks for your replies. :-)

I’ll try to go through them all and respond to each point:

To everyone who said hello: Hello, and thanks for your messages. :-) I won’t say much more because I have a terrible habit of turning messages – e-mails normally – into rather large essays! ;-) That is what the “e” stands for on “e-mail” in my case – essay-mails!!! ;-)

To aquarius1984: Poor Hotpoint – ruined! Made in UK, yes – but parts assembled elsewhere and inferior in quality terms compared with Hotpoints of just a few years ago. Such a shame. Pity those poor people who involved in assembling theses machines. I bet they have some tales to tell.

To nickuk: Glad you don’t have a headache… any more. ;-) Thanks again for the reply and information on Zanussi, etc. Your videos were instrumental in finally deciding on which new machine to buy.

Finally, a quick question for you UK users: do you find Ariel tablets are difficult to rinse out in your machines?

We’ve used UK Persil since the day time began (LOL), but we have tried Ariel and found it foams up terribly, even with just one tablet. We’re switching back to UK Ariel because of this, although we have suspected for years – hence the use of Persil for so long – that Ariel can aggravate sensitive skin. Despite Ariel Sensitive, I am not convinced that Ariel rinses out well, which is just daft. I know Ariel is said to be more effective than Persil, but this is of little use if the stuff won’t rinse out at the end. We do not use conditioner in every load, so it is not the foam from that which is visible during the last rinse.

Anyway, thanks for reading. :-) This message has grown, like I said it would! LOL

Take care.

Regards,

Carl
 
Ariel vs Persil

I've found that both seem to perform as well as each other although Persil, at least to my eye, seems to get whites whiter, perhaps more optical brighteners or whatever. I think that Persil is generally a better quality detergent - a nice light free flowing powder that refuses to clump even in the dampest of places (P&G powders I find are bad for clumping); rinse out tremendously and seem to perform as good if not better than the Ariel on a short wash (even though Ariel is supposed to have a quick wash formula). However in terms of liquids I find that Ariel liquids are superb to Persil liquids, although mum is using Persil Non Bio liquid at the moment and it smells great - just like 1980's Persil!

Ariel tabs often get sudsy in the wash for me but they seem to rinse out OK, not as good as the Ariel liquid though. I find that Ariel liquid tends to be the best out of the Ariel range for rinsing.

For what it's worth, both my dad and sister have quite bad eczema and my dad also has dermatitis, and though mum (read, I) chops and changes from Ariel to Fairy to Persil non bios, haven't had any rashes from those 2 with the skin problems at all. In fact in this Miele I'm able to use biological detergents and still not have skin complaints, whereas with the old Bosch if you used even the tiniest amount of bio detergent it would make my dad and sister itch like crazy.

Foam in the last rinse isn't really an indicator on rinsing performance, as water softening surfacants such as zeolites don't rinse out at all and can cause the water to foam even if there is no detergent left. As long as the rinse water is crystal clear (which it always is for me), then the load is sufficiently rinsed.

In conclusion though I still think Persil is probably the best washing powder available today (despite it's awful reformulation it had for 2 or 3 months in the middle of 2005) and really is underadvertised by manufacturers. Though I think it is a credit to Persil that they sell so much (they have more shelf space than Ariel in supermarkets round here) even though they only rely on TV advertising, and not manufacturer recommendations which is something that Ariel is pretty heavy on.

Jon
 
Welcome

This site will fill up plenty of spaces of odds-and-ends time. Periodically, some of the club members will have you rolling on the floor laughing, and just when you think the thread is starting to wind down, someone else will pop in a response that's even funnier than anything before it. I've met many really nice, wonderful and interesting people here. We're all very grateful to the webmaster, Robert Seger, for bringing us together.

Hint: just don't say anything negative about Whirlpool appliances. Always starts a firestorm. But if you want to see who you can get started, then have at it.
 
Funny you should mention . . .

The Ariel vs. Persil debate!

First of all, Welcome Carl from the Lone Star State across the pond!

I was just discussing with Jon over instant messenger about how I belive that UK Persil rinses out MUCH better than Areil. I believe that UK Persil even rinses out better than German Persil (and I love German Persil)!

Last year I ordered a lot of Persil tabs, and a huge box of Persil Bio powder. I love the tabs, but I hesitated to use the powder for so long because Jon said it didn't clean as well. Well, I finally got up the gumption to try it out, and I love the stuff. The Persil Bio powder (even the 'bad' batch that I have from 2005) rinses out so well that my towels have never been softer!

Though I really like the scent of Ariel, I believe that the Persil not only rinses better, but whitens better as well. Maybe it's due to the fact that Ariel leaves excessive detergent residue from a lack of proper rinsing?

Anyway, onto another rant. It looks like you boys from the UK are outnumbering even our large Texas contingent! Sounds like y'all need to plan a UK wash-in! I hope I get an invite to that one! If so, I'll be bringing Tide, Downy and Froot Loops for all!

Bryan
 
hehe

when i did my Hotpoint video earlier i say about clear water with foam on top, didnt realise what it was, the extra rinse i did did not clear it and i gave up. Wondered why in the past its been foamy but nobody suffers with skin reactions? Unlike ariel which really does not rinse out even the ariel non bio tabs my mum uses are not good rinsers. And dont clean whites at any cost on a 40.c synthetic wash. How ariel lie about using quickwash on whites is beyond me? They mean a 30 min quickwash or using the time reduce button on the machine? Major difference between the 2, Nick.
 
Carl

You are absolutely correct about Ariel leaving foam in the last rinse, and it's not just Ariel. Most PG powder / tablet formulations do the same, though as Jon says the liquid is better. I haven't tried Daz or Bold liquid, so can't comment. Fairy liquid is harder to rinse than Ariel liquid.

Jon's point about there being foam on the head of the last rinse not mattering so long as the water is crystal clear is something which I cannot phsychologically get over, though I'm sure it's the truth. I like a clear rinse. I also hate it when on the final spin on, say a load of towels, there is what looks like sudsy water being thrown against the door glass from the puddle in the boot.

A word of advice for those who like a clear rinse. Persil powder is good, Persil tablets are better. Persil Gel tablets are the best yet for rinsing. Persil liquids are fairly hideous, especially the non bio which IME acts like a light duty SLS detergent and foams hugely in the wash and in the rinse. It does have a great scent though and is a very versatile product.

Carl given that you are in the next county to me, it's likely that our experiences will be similar due to the water conditions.

Having said all that, I am of course straight off to Tesco after work to get me some new formulation Ariel LOL

Nick
 
Nick (nickuk)

Thanks very much, Nick. :-)

I was going to get around to asking about local water conditions. :-) A common experience of people with M.E./CFS/CFIDS is some issues in one’s minding spinning (LOL!) around until they answered, and I was going to ask you about your local water. I live in Bishop’s Stortford, so you are approximately 20 miles away from me.

We fitted one of those Hotpoint Calblock things (a magnetic water softener, which sounds like a load of nonsense, but it really does work on the washing machine, dishwasher and shower), and that softeners the water. However – and I think you have alluded to this – there is also the issue of the water itself. In any case, the water softener we are using does not remove the calcium and magnesium; it merely prevents it from settling on the elements and causing problems with the detergent.

We tried Persil Gel Colour tablets yesterday – well, I did! LOL – and that worked a treat. So much better. I’m sure Jon is right about the rinse not having to be completely clear, but I do believe from a health point of view that the final rinse water, excluding conditioner if used, should be completely clear. All traces of detergent should be completely rinsed out because clothes, to be clean, should have nothing on them whatsoever. That’s just me, and it probably also due to my experience of eczema, and also M.E., where traces of chemicals, for whatever reason – even if there is no proven health hazard – should be completely removed. I know you have mentioned you desire to have a clear rinse, too, Nick.

I tried Ecover (an ecological product) powder-based tablets (similar in shape and size to UK Persil) before we got this new Miele. I know many of you may dismiss product this as nonsense – it does have ‘proper’ ingredients, but they are sourced from plants instead of oil sources – but it rinses out perfectly. It does clean well, too – honest! The fragrance is from real lavender and is not synthetic. “Heathen?” you say?! ;-) More information is here: www.ecover.com.

However, we are sticking with Persil or Ariel.

Anyway… thanks, all. :-) Just had a quick break. Before that, I was talking to Jon on MSN, but I’d best be off for another rest. :-)

Carl
 
Every more...

Wellcome Carl!

Here you will feel very good if you like washers, dryer or anything concerning laundry area ad out of it either! :-)

Lastly I create a blog here in Italy, to make other washer's lovers talk about them togheter with me... I thouhgt nobody would have joined... but INCREDIBLE we became soon 4 and 5 people...

http://vivalalavatrice.blog.tiscali.it/

You are all wellcome if you want to improve your Italian :-)

And guess what? I was speaking yesterday with a professor of mine... did you know he's a washer's lover too?!?!?! I will give him all of the link washers-concerning as soon as possible of course!

We're rising up...we're "colonizing" the world :-))I'm joking! But I'm sure even more people will appreciate washers today more than yesterday...EACH DAY MORE!

What a GREAT FAMILY...:-)

Good Bye Everyone!
Diomede
 
Every more...

Wellcome Carl!

Here you will feel very good if you like washers, dryer or anything concerning laundry area ad out of it either! :-)

Lastly I create a blog here in Italy, to make other washer's lovers talk about them togheter with me... I thouhgt nobody would have joined... but INCREDIBLE we became soon 4 and 5 people...

http://vivalalavatrice.blog.tiscali.it/

You are all wellcome if you want to improve your Italian :-)

And guess what? I was speaking yesterday with a professor of mine... did you know he's a washer's lover too?!?!?! I will give him all of the link washers-concerning as soon as possible of course!

We're rising up...we're "colonizing" the world :-))I'm joking! But I'm sure even more people will appreciate washers today more than yesterday...EACH DAY MORE!

What a GREAT FAMILY...:-)

Good Bye Everyone!
Diomede
 

Similar threads

P
Hello world
Replies
0
Views
266
Pintmarten
P
R
New Siemens Dishwasher iQ700 - curious about what a noise is
Replies
13
Views
721
henene4
H
I
Whirlpool Bathtubs & Jetted Showers Are A Fad
2
Replies
37
Views
1K
circlew
C
T
Built-in Frigidaire system from 1926, repair for 100th year anniversary!
Replies
12
Views
475
turbokinetic
T
Wurlitzer155BandOrgan
My Introduction
Replies
19
Views
817
Alan
A

Latest posts

Back
Top