vacuumguy99
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My uncle works at a steel manufacture and was able to cut out a wrench, Ill try to get the project most of the way done by tonight but as they say "slow and steady wins the race"
Help! Kenmore visimatic trouble
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vacuumguy99
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Got the tub off!!!!!!! That as a pain in the butt but that tool helped big time. I learned about the oil pad on the pump so I know why it froze up
launderess
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Good for you!
Am glad you finally got things going your way.
Am glad you finally got things going your way.
vacuumguy99
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Okay next step. I need to add some oil to the gear case, I got the proper weight of oil and the directions say to remover the oil plug cap on the side of the gear case and the fill the case just until the oil is at the bottom of the oil cap hole. The only problem with that is the cap is flush with the gear case,threaded like a bolt, and only has a circular rounded out cut out to remove it by... Anyone know how that gets taken out? It really didn't help much that the procedure they give you in the service manual I have is so short,but I suppose at that time there where far more of the old style to fix than the brand new style.
mickeyd
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WOW! NICE!
Good for you, Kiddo. You're the real deal. Haven't gotten that deep into my Visi, but I'm sure you'll figure it out. A guy here named "bradross" should be able to help you. Email him. How's the wringer coming, or is she on the back burner for a while.
Good for you, Kiddo. You're the real deal. Haven't gotten that deep into my Visi, but I'm sure you'll figure it out. A guy here named "bradross" should be able to help you. Email him. How's the wringer coming, or is she on the back burner for a while.
vacuumguy99
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Lookie what I found :-D
Well turns out there was a few revisions of Whirlpool wringer washers from 1960 to 65(the on I have) so I bought the Whirlpool service manual for the newer models and am getting ready to open her up. The cork gasket is kind of off putting since I have no way of getting a new one. Well wish me luck everyone, I've gotten just about head deep on my first washer lol. I suppose "practice makes perfect"
Well turns out there was a few revisions of Whirlpool wringer washers from 1960 to 65(the on I have) so I bought the Whirlpool service manual for the newer models and am getting ready to open her up. The cork gasket is kind of off putting since I have no way of getting a new one. Well wish me luck everyone, I've gotten just about head deep on my first washer lol. I suppose "practice makes perfect"
vacuumguy99
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Well the old oil is out time to put the new stuff in :-D after this, I'll replace the motor and gearbox and see what Whirlpool has to say about the wringer
vacuumguy99
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I got the motor and gearbox back in the machine,some of the insulation cracked on the wires so they'll get taped up in the morning. Still need to seal the pump up and move on to the wringer. I looked tonight and saw the edges of bar that power the wringer at chipped so I stuck the bar in the wringer,gave it a twist and there is a considerable amount of resistance coming from the forward gear than the reverse. Might just need a clean and adjustment(if that's possible in such a small gearbox)
vacuumguy99
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Update
Well I took a little brake from the overhaul but I'm back at it,all the gears in the gear case adjusted but the crank rod in the picture isnt completely seating and it makes a little knock every time it gets to a certain spot. Any tips on how to get it in place? Does the pin holding it in have threads to screw down or is it something you hammer in place? Looking forward to the replies. Thanks guys!
Well I took a little brake from the overhaul but I'm back at it,all the gears in the gear case adjusted but the crank rod in the picture isnt completely seating and it makes a little knock every time it gets to a certain spot. Any tips on how to get it in place? Does the pin holding it in have threads to screw down or is it something you hammer in place? Looking forward to the replies. Thanks guys!
vacuumguy99
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I'm chugging away on lady visi
So the knocking noise that started this tear down was still there after fresh oil and a gear adjustment mostly because the spring washers on the main round gear adjustment stud are missing mean nothing aside from the snug fit of the stud in the hole was holding the gear in place, the "fork gear" or gear that hooks to the agitator shaft that swings back and forth has it's washers in place,so that should be an easy enough replacement fix. I took everything out of the gear case except the worm gear coming off the motor and clean it out with wd40 and some paper towels. I did make sure not to leave paper bits in the gear case. Finally got the silicone to seal the pump and some may go over warn down sections of the gearcase seal. I'm planning on replacing the cord an wiring harness since it's as basic as it is,a cord and 7 auxiliary wires. Wringer will come after that's all finished!
So the knocking noise that started this tear down was still there after fresh oil and a gear adjustment mostly because the spring washers on the main round gear adjustment stud are missing mean nothing aside from the snug fit of the stud in the hole was holding the gear in place, the "fork gear" or gear that hooks to the agitator shaft that swings back and forth has it's washers in place,so that should be an easy enough replacement fix. I took everything out of the gear case except the worm gear coming off the motor and clean it out with wd40 and some paper towels. I did make sure not to leave paper bits in the gear case. Finally got the silicone to seal the pump and some may go over warn down sections of the gearcase seal. I'm planning on replacing the cord an wiring harness since it's as basic as it is,a cord and 7 auxiliary wires. Wringer will come after that's all finished!
launderess
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Great work so far....
Kept it up!
Kept it up!
vacuumguy99
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What else are weekends for lol
Well things are going pretty well so far, I found out I have a Fastenal hardware shop 20 minutes from my house and they sell the spring washers I need for the gear case, I have the old wiring out and after drawing up a schematic I have a new wiring harness and had a cord laying around with a breaker in the plug from a swimming pool pump, that will all go in after I'm done with the gears, the case got the cork seal replaced with permatex ultra synthetic gasket maker, I think when all is said and done I'll get a video of the visi running on YouTube!
Well things are going pretty well so far, I found out I have a Fastenal hardware shop 20 minutes from my house and they sell the spring washers I need for the gear case, I have the old wiring out and after drawing up a schematic I have a new wiring harness and had a cord laying around with a breaker in the plug from a swimming pool pump, that will all go in after I'm done with the gears, the case got the cork seal replaced with permatex ultra synthetic gasket maker, I think when all is said and done I'll get a video of the visi running on YouTube!
vacuumguy99
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Well the hardware store didn't have the parts so they got ordered off Amazon and will be here Tuesday. In the interim I clean all the parts up with break cleaner and with out thinking washed the grease out of the bearing on the top half of the gear housing where the agitator shaft goes so got that all tore apart to find the shaft itself had grit between it and the cover and it was grinding at the shaft making things hard to move. Everything got cleaned and packed with marine grease and now she spins freely. So gear case has been completed gone through, the wiring has been completely updated, the pump got cleaned out and oiled and the only other thing that needs gone over is the gearcase of the wringer. I know one thing,I've had my hands through this thing more than the typical Whirlpool service man probably would have lol. How long do you think I could have this thing running for? It seems that everything on it's in really good shape and I mean the only thing that might break down at some point is the motor and at this point, should it go, I could switch out the end plates and use pretty much any 1/4 HP electric motor.
mayken4now
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WOW
Mark. Glad you are having fun and going through a total restore with your machine. It's a lot of work, trust me, been there. When it's all completed, you'll be so proud! Looking forward to your final re-assembly. You're doing a good job cleaning every part. The marine grease is perfect!
Mark. Glad you are having fun and going through a total restore with your machine. It's a lot of work, trust me, been there. When it's all completed, you'll be so proud! Looking forward to your final re-assembly. You're doing a good job cleaning every part. The marine grease is perfect!
vacuumguy99
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After the mechanics get adjusted.....
and everything is running smoothly I'm going over the outside and fixing the chips in the porcelain, spray the inside of the skirt with some rustoleum to keep the little bit of rust at bay and I'm going to repaint the matte black finish on the control panel in a gloss black finish. Oh can't forget in an earlier fan overhaul we did (1950s Westinghouse Mobilaire) we found a chrome paint that actually looks to be chrome, that will be used to replace the chrome lettering on the agitator and pump handles.
and everything is running smoothly I'm going over the outside and fixing the chips in the porcelain, spray the inside of the skirt with some rustoleum to keep the little bit of rust at bay and I'm going to repaint the matte black finish on the control panel in a gloss black finish. Oh can't forget in an earlier fan overhaul we did (1950s Westinghouse Mobilaire) we found a chrome paint that actually looks to be chrome, that will be used to replace the chrome lettering on the agitator and pump handles.
vacuumguy99
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Certainly no lacq of effort
The control panel and knob have been coated in black lacquer, the pump and control knobs have fresh chrome paint, the skirt and wringer shaft housing are 90% prepped for white lacquer and that will be done tomorrow
The control panel and knob have been coated in black lacquer, the pump and control knobs have fresh chrome paint, the skirt and wringer shaft housing are 90% prepped for white lacquer and that will be done tomorrow
Amazing, expert work!
mickeyd
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Kudos, Kiddo!
I agree with Glenn, and I can't wait to see her showroom finish. Do you think, Mark, that grit you found the other day way down inside may have been causing the squeak?
I agree with Glenn, and I can't wait to see her showroom finish. Do you think, Mark, that grit you found the other day way down inside may have been causing the squeak?
vacuumguy99
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You know, now that you say that I do remember thinking there was some noise coming from that area. I think it might have been part of problem being that it was hard to turn but not the whole issue
vacuumguy99
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Everything short of the wringer has been repainted. I learned the hard way that lacquer can't go over enamel paint (that was a messy clean up) the agitator and pump arms got chrome paint over the area that the chrome peeled off. The spring washer is supposed to get here tomorrow and the final assembly will be underway shortly after.
vacuumguy99
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Okay everyone I can't for the life of me figure out how the main round gear and worm gear go together without binding half way through the rotation. Can anyone give me any tips or tricks. I really want to use this machine but its putting up a good fight
vacuumguy99
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That gear case
Was Royal pain in the you know what. I didn't end up needing the wave washer but I did get some bluing and soap nuts in that purchase, I think one of the gear pins has a slight bend in it to adjust the gear that goes to the agitator but being that I didn't know that I spent about half an hour trying to make that pin work with the round gear.... Then I switched the pins and everything ran hunky dory, the top half got put on and the agitator wouldn't engage, I spun the bent pin not even a quarter of a turn and heard clunk. The agitator gear seated in place. Now I don't even hear the slight tapping noise that I was told is fairly common on these machines so the gear case is now buttery smooth, a little clear coat on the metal skirt will mark the end of painting and the beginning of reassembly!
Was Royal pain in the you know what. I didn't end up needing the wave washer but I did get some bluing and soap nuts in that purchase, I think one of the gear pins has a slight bend in it to adjust the gear that goes to the agitator but being that I didn't know that I spent about half an hour trying to make that pin work with the round gear.... Then I switched the pins and everything ran hunky dory, the top half got put on and the agitator wouldn't engage, I spun the bent pin not even a quarter of a turn and heard clunk. The agitator gear seated in place. Now I don't even hear the slight tapping noise that I was told is fairly common on these machines so the gear case is now buttery smooth, a little clear coat on the metal skirt will mark the end of painting and the beginning of reassembly!
mickeyd
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I really want to use this machine but its putting up a good
fight. Brought a smile. You're beginning to sound like a seasoned old pro. Was it Rustoleum you used for the Chrome. I used gold to paint my metal Hydractor. It's really good stuff.
Pretty exciting, Mark. Buttery smooth and almost ready to roll. Such amazing machines, and you'll probably have it forever.
fight. Brought a smile. You're beginning to sound like a seasoned old pro. Was it Rustoleum you used for the Chrome. I used gold to paint my metal Hydractor. It's really good stuff.
Pretty exciting, Mark. Buttery smooth and almost ready to roll. Such amazing machines, and you'll probably have it forever.
vacuumguy99
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I used a paint called VHT specialty products plate finish for the chrome. I'll put a picture of what it looks like on the castors. And at this point I feel like a seasoned pro lol. I'm letting everything dry and will probably reassemble this weekend!
vacuumguy99
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I think it's fixed
Finally got the first 3 loads washed rinsed and wringed and it hummed along. Gonna do some more tomorrow but it's time to call it a night! Thanks for the help everyone, I couldn't have done it without you all
Finally got the first 3 loads washed rinsed and wringed and it hummed along. Gonna do some more tomorrow but it's time to call it a night! Thanks for the help everyone, I couldn't have done it without you all
mickeyd
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Was just gonna ask ~
Did fixing the wringer get the best of you or have you been busy elsewhere? They are very complicated mechanisms with lots O' parts.
Glad you got 'er going. How 'bout a few pix of the finished machine in operation !
Did fixing the wringer get the best of you or have you been busy elsewhere? They are very complicated mechanisms with lots O' parts.
Glad you got 'er going. How 'bout a few pix of the finished machine in operation !
vacuumguy99
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So far I haven't taken the wringer apart,sorting out every other little problem took so long that thing burnt me out. But I'm sure once I get a few laundry days out of it my batteries will be ready to mess around with the wringer. Pics will be up later this afternoon!
mickeyd
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My apologies: I mistakenly thought the wringer was broken. The Visimatic wringers are state of the art, and "If it ain't broke...." you know the rest and all the variations.
vacuumguy99
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The wringer actually is broken as it only runs in one direction but that will be looked at in the future. Right now I'm able to do everything I need to so its gonna sit on the back burner.
vacuumguy99
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Well here she is...
Used her for another 2 hrs today, the only things that need done is I'm going to put a vacuum belt over the plastic pump wheel to give it a rubber to rubber grip on the motor and the wringer might need more service than I thought as the drain pan likes to move to one side and it only spins in reverse but other than that it's a cool little machine. I really am enjoying it
Used her for another 2 hrs today, the only things that need done is I'm going to put a vacuum belt over the plastic pump wheel to give it a rubber to rubber grip on the motor and the wringer might need more service than I thought as the drain pan likes to move to one side and it only spins in reverse but other than that it's a cool little machine. I really am enjoying it
