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who have hard water (I do too)

Try putting distilled white vinegar in the rinse aid dispenser and turning the dial to the highest # and see if that helps.

Lemishine works good too, but so does the vinegar

I have to say - I recommend WP personally because all my 2004 WP appliances are still working in 2013 and have had little issues with any of them.....But that's just me...Others haven't been so lucky.
 
I have had over ten dishwasher's in ten years. 3 G.E. from the Old Potsmasher's which are still some of the best to a 2010 G.E. Mongram which cost a $$$.Viking/Asko was terrible and I mean terrible.The new Whirlpool/Kenmore use the same Mag drive pumps

from Askol.They make a ton of aquarium power head pumps and filter pumps and there used in Frigidare dishwasher's.The motor 

in them Whirlpool/Kenmore is 55 watts and that is it.They say 15min on and ten minutes off that is why these new Whirlpool 

dishwasher takes so long 5 hours is normal and can take all nite if you want it to.I have a L.G. right now and it washes good but,

my detergent is Bubble Bandit and is about 20% phosphates after I get done with it and I never have film of anything ever.

Miele dishwasher's can't be beat but they are $$$$ ,I also like the Maytags that are still out Maytag is saying to hell with water use and wimpy motors.That thing will use 12 gallons on Jetclean plus cycle and it has a grinder in it still and has a big motor in it also.You can get a loaded

one for 800 bucks a ton of people are buying Maytag dishwasher's.The wash system is proven been around for years and cleans great and that was after me and I am hell on dishwasher's.I do not care for Bosch dishwasher's at all they are a pain to load bad.

My dream machine is a Old Kitchenaid or a new Miele..I don't see my L.G. lasting long I keep breaking plates and they get in the

grinder and make terrible sounds..

 
 
I will look @ Maytag, thanks. The machine i am using is jetclean and really cleans well.

The thing i am seeing that i dont like is these loooonnnnnggg cycles. When i washer shopped i was dismayed at how long some of the cycles could take...so pleased with my SQ. does it even take 30 mins? Dont think so. Time is money people!
 
We have a Siemens...

and I really can't fault the machine. It is quiet, water & electricity efficient, with sterling results, however I would also like a Miele as they are really top of the class.

We dont get machines in South Africa that does not heat the water from scratch and all of the machines have water softners. I would stay away from Lg had one, it cleaned good, but only two years in and it started to give electronic problems, pump problems door handle problems and it cost me alot of money. Also bought my mother one it was about two months old and the roler wheels on the upper tray/basket started to perish. So I would go with either SIEMENS/MIELE.

cheers
 
I thought Whirlpool did away with the Maytag Jet Clean system and the current line of Maytag DW's are just Whirlpools with a Maytag nameplate on them?

I bought one of the last models with the Maytag Jet Clean system in 2008. The unit cleans perfectly and we've used it 6 nights out of the week for the last four years without one problem. Before that we had a 1991 Maytag Jet Clean dishwasher in our last house and I'm willing to bet it is still in use. That thing was built like a tank.
 
I had a 1999 Maytag Jet clean that I loved. Unfortunately I left it behind when I sold that house. The new house had a Frigidaire, that one lasted a month before it was banished to the garage. It was replaced with a Maytag 300 quiet series. That machine cleaned well, was a bit noisy, but suffered terribly from reliability issues. Three control boards, fire hazard recall, rusting racks. . .

I replaced the Maytag two weeks ago with a Kitchenaid. My goodness I love that machine. In the normal wash it takes about two hours, but have never taken anything out of it yet that wasn't clean. I did the shorter, hour wash, last night for some baking prep equipment. Everything was clean. The machine is quiet, holds everything I throw in it, and everything comes out clean. I use the Cascade complete, Finish, and Cascade Professional. No white streaks at all, I do use jet dry as well.

Did I mention it was quiet, the only way you can tell it's running is the lights are on on the control panel. For Normal Heavy wash it uses 6.4 gallons of water. If you use the Power scrub option on the Heavy or Normal cycle it adds about 45 minutes to the cycle depending on the water temp, and increases the water usage by approximately 1 gallon.

I did buy the extended warranty--Whirlpool did build it afterall.
 
I Heart MayTAG-----which KA did you buy? Saw one today in store, I did like it. I also liked the Whirlpool Gold, did not like the Maytags though.

No comments on Samsung? A friend told me her parents like theirs. I may wait for our local place to get the "new" Boschs in in May. I really would prefer to go through them and have them install. Local small sales & service company who sold me my SQ's.
 
Aimee

I bought the Kitchenaide KUDS30IXWW (the designation WW and SS means white/white, and Stainless Steal. I bought the white model with stainless interior.

BTW--I got this machine on sale at Sear's for $599

I might add, when considering a Bosch be sure and measure your cabinet clearance from floor to cabinet. The Drip pan, or water stop system can be harder to install on older homes due the clearance allowed by the machine's pan. I had a friend that had to send her Bosch back and opt for a Maytag because of this clearance issue. Others on here may be able to address this issue more clearly than I, but do use this information as an asking point when purchasing.
[this post was last edited: 3/27/2013-12:54]

http://www.kitchenaid.com/flash.cmd?WT.mc_id=emLcmTy-Top-Products&/#/product/KUDS30IXSS/
 
Ok folks I have narrowed down my choices...

Bosch she43p25uc
Samsung dmt400rhs
Or a Blomberg not integrated door, has the slide out cutlery tray.
 
Blomberg for my vote..They are very quite and very good on price also.That Pots and Pans + Cycle heats the water to 170 degrees in

the machine I used.It did wash a long time but I had it hooked to the cold water line.The tub had asphalt then insulation then covered with steel.Samsung has had some issues with there dishwasher's like L.G. did when they first came out it took L.G. years to get

where they are now getting better reviews.I hate Bosch I have two there kitchen mixers and I hate both of them there dishwasher's

I can't load for some reason and they gave us alot of problems.I would spend the $$$ money and get a Miele before Bosch,Miele wash

wonderful but the I have only played with my Aunts Miele's who is a loaded crazy woman that lives in Buckhead.She has two Miele

dishwasher's a commercial one that has a 10 min cycle and the other one is a Le peria 5000 I think.. She is entertains alot of stuck

up people that I can't stand and she don't like them either thats what I don't get...
 
The Bosch you are considering does NOT have a built-in softener. Keep that in mind with your hard water situation. If you can swing a couple hundred more, the softener is absolutely worth it!!
 
If you can swing a couple hundred more, the softener is abso

I can't agree more, but the softener should be for the whole house! Your laundry, your showers and your plumbing fixtures will all benefit. My city well water has 18 grain hardness, I wouldn't consider not having a softener. Perhaps your water isn't as hard but if it is you should consider this.

I'd buy a mid-line KitchenAid dishwasher and get a softener installed with the money saved. I'm quite pleased with the Whirlpool softener I bought from Lowes about 5 years ago.
 
I think ours is 15, kbOnes.

A whole house water softener IS in the plans but we just moved in here 1.5 weeks ago and haven't even closed on our previous and current home...I'm sure you understand how it is. So much to do!! Because yeah, I want more softened water than just dishwasher. :)

My guy did say he is able to work down the price of the Blomberg a bit more than the other brands he carries. I see I can get that Bosch for $689 online free shipping so I will probably ask that he be competetive with that price...Blomberg price tag was $849 but he says "I think we can work that down to your price range" which I had said was somewhere near $700. I think the Samsung was $749 which he'd also bring down...the cutlery tray was pretty nifty on the Blomberg. I need to try to find the specs on it but the model # I jotted down isn't giving me results.
 
Single vs. House Softener

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, a dishwasher that softens its own water is still liable for hard water damage, mainly the valves that control the flow of water BEFORE it reaches the ion-exchange resins to be softened.

There are also extra wear and tear parts, such as brine pumps, diverter valves (water) and the softening system itself - which can wear out in under 10 years (resin lasts around 10 years MAX on city water - as chlorine causes the disintegration of resins) - all of which could make your experience wooful, if the machine chooses to be unreliable. 

If I were you, I would invest in a house softener, or one of those magnetic things (if you are willing to spend money on something that basically may not even work) - which is a far better option than the machine softening its own - since you get 100% protection for each water bearing appliance in the home, less soap usage, easier cleaning AND your dishwasher doesn't have all that BS to go wrong. Not that it will, and I don't think anyone here has had trouble with dishwashers that soften their own water, but you should question how economical it is to run a full softener for everything, or just a little one built into the dishwasher. 

 

I can honestly say, at 25 grains per gallon hardness here, you'd be silly not to have a softener. But a lot of Australians don't even know what "hard water" is - but they notice their kettle dies every 6 months (YES! This is true - even with frequent cleaning!). Do you really want to shower in that, or let your fancy front loader have a "wiff" of that stuff? NO! Please, take my advice. You will do yourself and all your appliances a big favour in doing so :-)
 
I am at the farm tonight and our water here is so hard it seems carbonated.It tastes wonderful and was rated one of the cleanest

deep wells in Tenn but it is hell for dish washing and washing clothes.We have a softener but is broke and sense my Mom passed

we don't come up here much.You really don't need a water softener if you buy Bubble Bandit dishwasher detergent.I just bought

19 pounds for 60 $$ and that will last over a year for me.It has 8.7% Phosphates in it so two tablespoons in the main wash and

everything has that nice soft clean to it..My water here is VERY hard and that is the only detergent that will work for me here.

I also bought 5 pounds reagent grade Trisodium phosphate from Amazon that works wonders for any cleaning really it came

from Honeywell.It makes Family dollar liquid dishwasher detergent work wonders.It's amazing what that one ingredient does for

washing dishes or making my clothes clean clean.We have a Dacor dishwasher and in the downstairs kitchen we still have a 1983

Magic chef/G.E. Pot smasher that will out wash anything I throw at it.It has a huge metal wash arm with that pop up tower and

a wash arm on top.I love hearing that washer starting up.The dishwasher starts the motor and fills while it runs and you can hear

the power of that water hitting the door every time that tower jet hits and plates hit one another. 30 year old dishwasher and not one problem ever still washes like the day it did when we got it.The Dacor was not my choice it's a very large dishwasher and breaks all the time and is $$$ to fix....

 
 
Harley:

Our Maytag DW is a 300 series, I think it's near TOL for that series. It's super quiet and does a great job. We are just as happy with it as we were with the 1991 model even though this one is not built as solidly as the 1991 model was.

We contacted Maytag about the fire recall and they said our model wasn't included.
So far no burned electronic boards or anything like that.

What year did you purchase your last 300 series DW?
 
Allen
I purchased the 300 "Quiet Series" in 2007. It was a MOL machine, plastic tub fire hazard machine. It was the last of the Maytags before the Whirlpool purchase. Three control boards. Rusted racks by the time it was 18 months old. The machine washed well when it was working. I did not cry when it left.
 

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