super32
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I have to vote for Bosch.
Help purchasing new dishwasher
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aimeemarie12
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Ok folks I have narrowed down my choices...
Bosch she43p25uc
Samsung dmt400rhs
Or a Blomberg not integrated door, has the slide out cutlery tray.
Bosch she43p25uc
Samsung dmt400rhs
Or a Blomberg not integrated door, has the slide out cutlery tray.
Blomberg for my vote..They are very quite and very good on price also.That Pots and Pans + Cycle heats the water to 170 degrees in
the machine I used.It did wash a long time but I had it hooked to the cold water line.The tub had asphalt then insulation then covered with steel.Samsung has had some issues with there dishwasher's like L.G. did when they first came out it took L.G. years to get
where they are now getting better reviews.I hate Bosch I have two there kitchen mixers and I hate both of them there dishwasher's
I can't load for some reason and they gave us alot of problems.I would spend the $$$ money and get a Miele before Bosch,Miele wash
wonderful but the I have only played with my Aunts Miele's who is a loaded crazy woman that lives in Buckhead.She has two Miele
dishwasher's a commercial one that has a 10 min cycle and the other one is a Le peria 5000 I think.. She is entertains alot of stuck
up people that I can't stand and she don't like them either thats what I don't get...
the machine I used.It did wash a long time but I had it hooked to the cold water line.The tub had asphalt then insulation then covered with steel.Samsung has had some issues with there dishwasher's like L.G. did when they first came out it took L.G. years to get
where they are now getting better reviews.I hate Bosch I have two there kitchen mixers and I hate both of them there dishwasher's
I can't load for some reason and they gave us alot of problems.I would spend the $$$ money and get a Miele before Bosch,Miele wash
wonderful but the I have only played with my Aunts Miele's who is a loaded crazy woman that lives in Buckhead.She has two Miele
dishwasher's a commercial one that has a 10 min cycle and the other one is a Le peria 5000 I think.. She is entertains alot of stuck
up people that I can't stand and she don't like them either thats what I don't get...
mysteryclock
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The Bosch you are considering does NOT have a built-in softener. Keep that in mind with your hard water situation. If you can swing a couple hundred more, the softener is absolutely worth it!!
kb0nes
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If you can swing a couple hundred more, the softener is abso
I can't agree more, but the softener should be for the whole house! Your laundry, your showers and your plumbing fixtures will all benefit. My city well water has 18 grain hardness, I wouldn't consider not having a softener. Perhaps your water isn't as hard but if it is you should consider this.
I'd buy a mid-line KitchenAid dishwasher and get a softener installed with the money saved. I'm quite pleased with the Whirlpool softener I bought from Lowes about 5 years ago.
I can't agree more, but the softener should be for the whole house! Your laundry, your showers and your plumbing fixtures will all benefit. My city well water has 18 grain hardness, I wouldn't consider not having a softener. Perhaps your water isn't as hard but if it is you should consider this.
I'd buy a mid-line KitchenAid dishwasher and get a softener installed with the money saved. I'm quite pleased with the Whirlpool softener I bought from Lowes about 5 years ago.
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I think ours is 15, kbOnes.
A whole house water softener IS in the plans but we just moved in here 1.5 weeks ago and haven't even closed on our previous and current home...I'm sure you understand how it is. So much to do!! Because yeah, I want more softened water than just dishwasher.
My guy did say he is able to work down the price of the Blomberg a bit more than the other brands he carries. I see I can get that Bosch for $689 online free shipping so I will probably ask that he be competetive with that price...Blomberg price tag was $849 but he says "I think we can work that down to your price range" which I had said was somewhere near $700. I think the Samsung was $749 which he'd also bring down...the cutlery tray was pretty nifty on the Blomberg. I need to try to find the specs on it but the model # I jotted down isn't giving me results.
A whole house water softener IS in the plans but we just moved in here 1.5 weeks ago and haven't even closed on our previous and current home...I'm sure you understand how it is. So much to do!! Because yeah, I want more softened water than just dishwasher.
My guy did say he is able to work down the price of the Blomberg a bit more than the other brands he carries. I see I can get that Bosch for $689 online free shipping so I will probably ask that he be competetive with that price...Blomberg price tag was $849 but he says "I think we can work that down to your price range" which I had said was somewhere near $700. I think the Samsung was $749 which he'd also bring down...the cutlery tray was pretty nifty on the Blomberg. I need to try to find the specs on it but the model # I jotted down isn't giving me results.
Single vs. House Softener
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, a dishwasher that softens its own water is still liable for hard water damage, mainly the valves that control the flow of water BEFORE it reaches the ion-exchange resins to be softened.
There are also extra wear and tear parts, such as brine pumps, diverter valves (water) and the softening system itself - which can wear out in under 10 years (resin lasts around 10 years MAX on city water - as chlorine causes the disintegration of resins) - all of which could make your experience wooful, if the machine chooses to be unreliable.
If I were you, I would invest in a house softener, or one of those magnetic things (if you are willing to spend money on something that basically may not even work) - which is a far better option than the machine softening its own - since you get 100% protection for each water bearing appliance in the home, less soap usage, easier cleaning AND your dishwasher doesn't have all that BS to go wrong. Not that it will, and I don't think anyone here has had trouble with dishwashers that soften their own water, but you should question how economical it is to run a full softener for everything, or just a little one built into the dishwasher.
I can honestly say, at 25 grains per gallon hardness here, you'd be silly not to have a softener. But a lot of Australians don't even know what "hard water" is - but they notice their kettle dies every 6 months (YES! This is true - even with frequent cleaning!). Do you really want to shower in that, or let your fancy front loader have a "wiff" of that stuff? NO! Please, take my advice. You will do yourself and all your appliances a big favour in doing so
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, a dishwasher that softens its own water is still liable for hard water damage, mainly the valves that control the flow of water BEFORE it reaches the ion-exchange resins to be softened.
There are also extra wear and tear parts, such as brine pumps, diverter valves (water) and the softening system itself - which can wear out in under 10 years (resin lasts around 10 years MAX on city water - as chlorine causes the disintegration of resins) - all of which could make your experience wooful, if the machine chooses to be unreliable.
If I were you, I would invest in a house softener, or one of those magnetic things (if you are willing to spend money on something that basically may not even work) - which is a far better option than the machine softening its own - since you get 100% protection for each water bearing appliance in the home, less soap usage, easier cleaning AND your dishwasher doesn't have all that BS to go wrong. Not that it will, and I don't think anyone here has had trouble with dishwashers that soften their own water, but you should question how economical it is to run a full softener for everything, or just a little one built into the dishwasher.
I can honestly say, at 25 grains per gallon hardness here, you'd be silly not to have a softener. But a lot of Australians don't even know what "hard water" is - but they notice their kettle dies every 6 months (YES! This is true - even with frequent cleaning!). Do you really want to shower in that, or let your fancy front loader have a "wiff" of that stuff? NO! Please, take my advice. You will do yourself and all your appliances a big favour in doing so
I am at the farm tonight and our water here is so hard it seems carbonated.It tastes wonderful and was rated one of the cleanest
deep wells in Tenn but it is hell for dish washing and washing clothes.We have a softener but is broke and sense my Mom passed
we don't come up here much.You really don't need a water softener if you buy Bubble Bandit dishwasher detergent.I just bought
19 pounds for 60 $$ and that will last over a year for me.It has 8.7% Phosphates in it so two tablespoons in the main wash and
everything has that nice soft clean to it..My water here is VERY hard and that is the only detergent that will work for me here.
I also bought 5 pounds reagent grade Trisodium phosphate from Amazon that works wonders for any cleaning really it came
from Honeywell.It makes Family dollar liquid dishwasher detergent work wonders.It's amazing what that one ingredient does for
washing dishes or making my clothes clean clean.We have a Dacor dishwasher and in the downstairs kitchen we still have a 1983
Magic chef/G.E. Pot smasher that will out wash anything I throw at it.It has a huge metal wash arm with that pop up tower and
a wash arm on top.I love hearing that washer starting up.The dishwasher starts the motor and fills while it runs and you can hear
the power of that water hitting the door every time that tower jet hits and plates hit one another. 30 year old dishwasher and not one problem ever still washes like the day it did when we got it.The Dacor was not my choice it's a very large dishwasher and breaks all the time and is $$$ to fix....
deep wells in Tenn but it is hell for dish washing and washing clothes.We have a softener but is broke and sense my Mom passed
we don't come up here much.You really don't need a water softener if you buy Bubble Bandit dishwasher detergent.I just bought
19 pounds for 60 $$ and that will last over a year for me.It has 8.7% Phosphates in it so two tablespoons in the main wash and
everything has that nice soft clean to it..My water here is VERY hard and that is the only detergent that will work for me here.
I also bought 5 pounds reagent grade Trisodium phosphate from Amazon that works wonders for any cleaning really it came
from Honeywell.It makes Family dollar liquid dishwasher detergent work wonders.It's amazing what that one ingredient does for
washing dishes or making my clothes clean clean.We have a Dacor dishwasher and in the downstairs kitchen we still have a 1983
Magic chef/G.E. Pot smasher that will out wash anything I throw at it.It has a huge metal wash arm with that pop up tower and
a wash arm on top.I love hearing that washer starting up.The dishwasher starts the motor and fills while it runs and you can hear
the power of that water hitting the door every time that tower jet hits and plates hit one another. 30 year old dishwasher and not one problem ever still washes like the day it did when we got it.The Dacor was not my choice it's a very large dishwasher and breaks all the time and is $$$ to fix....
whirlcool
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Harley:
Our Maytag DW is a 300 series, I think it's near TOL for that series. It's super quiet and does a great job. We are just as happy with it as we were with the 1991 model even though this one is not built as solidly as the 1991 model was.
We contacted Maytag about the fire recall and they said our model wasn't included.
So far no burned electronic boards or anything like that.
What year did you purchase your last 300 series DW?
Our Maytag DW is a 300 series, I think it's near TOL for that series. It's super quiet and does a great job. We are just as happy with it as we were with the 1991 model even though this one is not built as solidly as the 1991 model was.
We contacted Maytag about the fire recall and they said our model wasn't included.
So far no burned electronic boards or anything like that.
What year did you purchase your last 300 series DW?
iheartmaytag
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Allen
I purchased the 300 "Quiet Series" in 2007. It was a MOL machine, plastic tub fire hazard machine. It was the last of the Maytags before the Whirlpool purchase. Three control boards. Rusted racks by the time it was 18 months old. The machine washed well when it was working. I did not cry when it left.
I purchased the 300 "Quiet Series" in 2007. It was a MOL machine, plastic tub fire hazard machine. It was the last of the Maytags before the Whirlpool purchase. Three control boards. Rusted racks by the time it was 18 months old. The machine washed well when it was working. I did not cry when it left.
whirlcool
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Hmm the year before I bought mine. We have the Duralast tub. I think it's fiberglass (maybe?). Ours has nylon racks so they shouldn't rust. So far so good. Everything inside of it still looks like new.
I think WP should have left things alone as far as Maytag DW go...
I think WP should have left things alone as far as Maytag DW go...
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