whirlcool
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Here is the Dishwasher. It's a Maytag Quiet Clean 300. Sorry about the dirt on the floor, we need to clean that up! This floor will be replaced soon.
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whirlcool
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Here is the inside....
Here's the interior. It's that Maytag Duralast plastic. Does this look like a Whirlpool design rebadged Maytag?
Last night we put in some really dirty pots & pans. Even one SS pan with baked on breading. We used one of the Electrsol Power Tabs and believe it or not, it all came out perfectly clean with no rinsing or scrubbing beforehand!
Here's the interior. It's that Maytag Duralast plastic. Does this look like a Whirlpool design rebadged Maytag?
Last night we put in some really dirty pots & pans. Even one SS pan with baked on breading. We used one of the Electrsol Power Tabs and believe it or not, it all came out perfectly clean with no rinsing or scrubbing beforehand!
whirlcool
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Here is the range and microwave stack. Look at the size of the oven window. And the glass on the outside stays perfectly cool when the oven is operating.
whirlcool
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Here is the Microwave. Even though it's a GE, I think its a pretty good match for the Maytag range. Very similar design.
Great appliances! That looks like a genuine Maytag dishwasher to me. I had mine before the WP takeover and your wash arm, etc., looks identical.
It cleaned very, very well. There's a lot of water flying around in there. It's no 'mist' machine, that's for sure. Mine was very reliable for 3 years...then the board went and the heating element turned on for hours at a time while the machine was off.
I predict you're going to love the terraced upper rack once you're used to it. It really opens up space for tall items in half of the upper, and half of the lower rack. It's a machine with a lot of loading flexibility.
Congrats and enjoy your beautiful new toys!
It cleaned very, very well. There's a lot of water flying around in there. It's no 'mist' machine, that's for sure. Mine was very reliable for 3 years...then the board went and the heating element turned on for hours at a time while the machine was off.
I predict you're going to love the terraced upper rack once you're used to it. It really opens up space for tall items in half of the upper, and half of the lower rack. It's a machine with a lot of loading flexibility.
Congrats and enjoy your beautiful new toys!
whirlcool
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Thanks for the complements...
I am glad to hear that it's a true Maytag. We already like the terraced upper rack along with the ability to raise or lower it several inches.
Because of the electronics, we took out the extended warranty on this model.
I am glad to hear that it's a true Maytag. We already like the terraced upper rack along with the ability to raise or lower it several inches.
Because of the electronics, we took out the extended warranty on this model.
everythingold
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Looks so nice, too bad they are sh**. Computer boards fail very reliably. Almost like they were desinged to fail, hmmm. I would also suggest an oven thermometer, because the numbers on that neato board bear no necessary corelation to the actual temperature in the oven. Actually, you need 2 or 3 thermometers because no consideration was given to air flow, hot spot, cold spots, but hell, who needs even baking when you can get a 50 pound bird in that monster. And those tall tub dishwasher are a joy to work on, 1 inch of clearance is plenty, if you have hands the size of a 2 year old. These appliances are like a hot blond, beautiful on the outside but nothing on the inside. But its a free country, and I make a (very reasonable) living off fixing the stuff. I would be poor if appliances were reliable, thank God for ignitors, flame switches don't fail every 4-5 years. You will never stop paying for those shiny, expensive "appliances."
They do look cool though.
They do look cool though.
EveryThingInGold
While "reading" your post, I had a moment or two to think, and you really need to keep your comments to yourself.
A member posts pictures of his new appliances for the group to share and enjoy (hopefully as much as himself and his family), and all you can do is run them down.
Stay out of the egg nog and lay off the liquor soaked cake and lighten up.
L.
While "reading" your post, I had a moment or two to think, and you really need to keep your comments to yourself.
A member posts pictures of his new appliances for the group to share and enjoy (hopefully as much as himself and his family), and all you can do is run them down.
Stay out of the egg nog and lay off the liquor soaked cake and lighten up.
L.
whirlcool
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Everythingold:
Actually, these appliances were purchased not just for the looks. We bought based on what features we wanted and this is they way the models that had those features looked.
We used the oven today for a Dutch Apple Pancake. It browned very evenly and completely. Yes we do have a oven thermometer, and the control board displaying current oven temp was dead on.
We know that appliances purchased today will not last as long as those purchased years ago, but this is the best we could do.
Actually, these appliances were purchased not just for the looks. We bought based on what features we wanted and this is they way the models that had those features looked.
We used the oven today for a Dutch Apple Pancake. It browned very evenly and completely. Yes we do have a oven thermometer, and the control board displaying current oven temp was dead on.
We know that appliances purchased today will not last as long as those purchased years ago, but this is the best we could do.
repair-man
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I think they look great ! The curved look to the GE microwave actually matches the curved look of the Maytag oven door better than the Maytag micro (all square) would have.
BTW I too repair appliances for a living (for the past 17 years) And I see nothing wrong with any of these products. They should all perform very well. And I'm sure you didn't buy them expecting them to last 20+ years. Sometimes you have to live in todays reality. ED
BTW I too repair appliances for a living (for the past 17 years) And I see nothing wrong with any of these products. They should all perform very well. And I'm sure you didn't buy them expecting them to last 20+ years. Sometimes you have to live in todays reality. ED
everythingold
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I get pissy sometimes, and I am biased. I just think appliances should last 20+ years. There are consequences to our throw away society, but yah, you have to live in the present. To each his own...
askomiele
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Maytag Quiet Clean 300
Hee something I find very strang. Most european dishwashers have hidden heating elements, and american dishwasher have the element still just at the bottom of the interrior... Why that difference? For me it made sense just to hide it so nothing can touch the element...
Hee something I find very strang. Most european dishwashers have hidden heating elements, and american dishwasher have the element still just at the bottom of the interrior... Why that difference? For me it made sense just to hide it so nothing can touch the element...
whirlcool
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Actually I can appreciate your frustration over the way appliances are made today, especially when you know what good design looks like and you see cheaper and cheaper designs that are destined to fal out there on your repair calls.
But if you look at Viking, Gaggenau, and Thermador ranges and appliances their repair history is usually worse than the more familiar MOL brands. This is one reason why we didn't consider those brands. Besides, this neighborhood is not a Viking type of neighborhood anyway. It's more like a TOL line of MOL brands. Most everyone has GE Profile, or Kenmore appliances from the builder.
As far as heating elements being in the open, I've always seen American dishwashers with this design. I guess it's just the way we do things over here. You do have to be careful to put items like silverware and small things in baskets that are usually supplied with the DW to prevent them from going in the bottom. I remember years ago they used to glow red hot when in drying mode. But it seems now that they no longer glow, but still are very, very hot when drying.
Here is a better pic of the inside of the DW:
But if you look at Viking, Gaggenau, and Thermador ranges and appliances their repair history is usually worse than the more familiar MOL brands. This is one reason why we didn't consider those brands. Besides, this neighborhood is not a Viking type of neighborhood anyway. It's more like a TOL line of MOL brands. Most everyone has GE Profile, or Kenmore appliances from the builder.
As far as heating elements being in the open, I've always seen American dishwashers with this design. I guess it's just the way we do things over here. You do have to be careful to put items like silverware and small things in baskets that are usually supplied with the DW to prevent them from going in the bottom. I remember years ago they used to glow red hot when in drying mode. But it seems now that they no longer glow, but still are very, very hot when drying.
Here is a better pic of the inside of the DW:
whirlcool
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And here is a better photo of the control panel of the DW
Askomiele - hidden heater are "recent"
Probably you can't remember, as you're too young
In the 80s all EU DW had visible heater and, as you say about possible disasters, I remember my old miele G 507 was very nice at melting plastic items put in the lower rack
First "flow through" (hidden) heaters appeared on Bauknecht/Philips DW in 1985/1986. Other brands started a bit later. My aunt's A.E.G. Favorit 6051 (y 1996) has the traditional heater, my F 6071 (y 1999) has the hidden one. My sister's Rex/Zanussi/Electrolux IT 763 (y 2001) still has the traditional one, yet it's safer on plastics than the G507.
Anyway the main difference it's the plastic tub.
When Whirlpool bought Philips/Bauknecht they used plastic tubs on some BOL EU models that suddenly were discontinued because people prefer SS. Now BSH tries this "solution" - I ve seen a a BOL Bosch DW with a plastic bottom - for sure they'll have a big loss in the brand value
Probably you can't remember, as you're too young
In the 80s all EU DW had visible heater and, as you say about possible disasters, I remember my old miele G 507 was very nice at melting plastic items put in the lower rack
First "flow through" (hidden) heaters appeared on Bauknecht/Philips DW in 1985/1986. Other brands started a bit later. My aunt's A.E.G. Favorit 6051 (y 1996) has the traditional heater, my F 6071 (y 1999) has the hidden one. My sister's Rex/Zanussi/Electrolux IT 763 (y 2001) still has the traditional one, yet it's safer on plastics than the G507.
Anyway the main difference it's the plastic tub.
When Whirlpool bought Philips/Bauknecht they used plastic tubs on some BOL EU models that suddenly were discontinued because people prefer SS. Now BSH tries this "solution" - I ve seen a a BOL Bosch DW with a plastic bottom - for sure they'll have a big loss in the brand value
Well,
as long as we are talking ancient history, Bauknecht, in the pre-Philips days (and talk about battered spouses, first Philips then Whirlpool...and once, this was a great company) anyway, my first German apartment had a Bauknecht from the late 1970's which had a plastic tub and the heater in a special deep 'well'. It had four (!) pressure sensors, several temperature sensors and time-outs on the program timer so it could never exceed 75 degrees or run dry.
Cleaned quite well, tho' the plastic was sneered at by all my German friends. Since I was used to it from the 'States, it didn't bother me.
My 1979 Miele (still be running if the idiot movers hadn't dropped her down two flights of steps) was three-phase (the real 3-phase, dahlinks, let's not and say we didn't) with exposed calrod style heaters in the bottom running at 4.7KW.
She was able to melt just about anything, top or bottom rack.
No wonder what we may think of current manufacturers compared to the glorious days of old, not everyone has the space or temperament or patience to do their kitchens in rainbow stoves and tragimatics, even if they are in Pank. Hell, even we have a post-1950's refrigerator in the downstairs kitchen. I am happy for Whirlcool and his wife that they have such a neat kitchen - they've done so much good for this club.
as long as we are talking ancient history, Bauknecht, in the pre-Philips days (and talk about battered spouses, first Philips then Whirlpool...and once, this was a great company) anyway, my first German apartment had a Bauknecht from the late 1970's which had a plastic tub and the heater in a special deep 'well'. It had four (!) pressure sensors, several temperature sensors and time-outs on the program timer so it could never exceed 75 degrees or run dry.
Cleaned quite well, tho' the plastic was sneered at by all my German friends. Since I was used to it from the 'States, it didn't bother me.
My 1979 Miele (still be running if the idiot movers hadn't dropped her down two flights of steps) was three-phase (the real 3-phase, dahlinks, let's not and say we didn't) with exposed calrod style heaters in the bottom running at 4.7KW.
She was able to melt just about anything, top or bottom rack.
No wonder what we may think of current manufacturers compared to the glorious days of old, not everyone has the space or temperament or patience to do their kitchens in rainbow stoves and tragimatics, even if they are in Pank. Hell, even we have a post-1950's refrigerator in the downstairs kitchen. I am happy for Whirlcool and his wife that they have such a neat kitchen - they've done so much good for this club.
redcarpetdrew
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Matt, while I might tend to agree with you on electronics back in the 70-90's, todays electronics do tend to be more reliable and problem free. They are also easier to diagnose as most have built in diagnostic modes that actually tell you something. As to things lasting 20 years or so, unfortunately these are different times with government standards that affect how things are built and what they are built out of. The appliances Whirlcool has are very nice and SHOULD give a long, healthy service life. I service those models and the latest generation tall tub dishwashers have been pretty much trouble free.
The element in that dishwasher is used primarily for water heating if needed and 'pulse drying'. Your dishwasher uses the idea of 'flash drying' where the water gets the dish so hot, moisture will evaporate off of the surface by itself. The element just pulses on and off to help maintain a drying temperature. Gone are the days of 'baking' the dishes dry or having a fan to help dry. That's a result of the gov't energy standards for the E-Star rating. That's why hot water temp at the sink is so important! Recommended is @110-120F. 130-140F is better. That's why rinse aid is also needed more than before for the sheeting action.
The range looks to be one of the big 5.3 ovens. You'll like the high output power burner and the little simmer burner as well. Did you go convection? I couldn't see enough of the console to tell. All in all, my complements on a snazzy set of appliances
RCD
The element in that dishwasher is used primarily for water heating if needed and 'pulse drying'. Your dishwasher uses the idea of 'flash drying' where the water gets the dish so hot, moisture will evaporate off of the surface by itself. The element just pulses on and off to help maintain a drying temperature. Gone are the days of 'baking' the dishes dry or having a fan to help dry. That's a result of the gov't energy standards for the E-Star rating. That's why hot water temp at the sink is so important! Recommended is @110-120F. 130-140F is better. That's why rinse aid is also needed more than before for the sheeting action.
The range looks to be one of the big 5.3 ovens. You'll like the high output power burner and the little simmer burner as well. Did you go convection? I couldn't see enough of the console to tell. All in all, my complements on a snazzy set of appliances
RCD
whirlcool
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Yes, we did opt for convection. This was one of our requirements. It was hard to find a stainless steel stove under $1K. This is the only one that qualified. This oven has a ton of features. Here is a photo of the control panel.
