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Hobart is again making dishwashers for household use. Hobarts LXN undercounter series look like they have a tweak on reverse rack technology, but it's hard to tell from the photos. This is so good to hear after Whirlpool bought the KitchenAid division of Hobart, and turned their dishwashers into TOL junk. The Hobart-made KitchenAid models were almost flawless, and very reliable. Does anyone know more about this offering from Hobart? Maybe it's been around for longer than I know.
 
After further research

The LXN appears to be the newer version of the LXI that my friend Owen Perkins had installed in his basement bar a few years ago. I agree with a few others here, it's not a household model. You could technically put one in a home like what Owen did but you'd definitely need to sleep on it first.

 
Good lord that thing looks like a beast....water getting that hot...My first thought seeing all that steam was it would work great in the winter when the air is really dry in the house.

When I was 16 I washed dishes at the local Elk's Lodge for only a couple of months before I started bussing tables then later waiting tables. What a horrible job washing dishes was.. My first night was on a Saturday night (busiest night of the week) and I couldn't keep up and I remember almost passing out. I went outside for a break and everything was spinning. I remember sitting down and I put my head between my knees and just sat there and recovered.

I remember the dishwasher had a handle you grabbed that raised up both sides and you slid the tray in after rinsing. I can't remember how long it ran but it wasn't very long. It was probably a Hobart. Not sure how hot the water got but it was hot. Dishes were very difficult to touch straight away and they didn't always come clean
 
"For the home...."

Likely caters to same market of individuals who install (or wish to) commercial or near gas ranges, refrigerators and so forth.

Though the trend has some what died off there are still those who feel they must have a commercial Garland gas range or Sub-Zero refrigerator.

Hobart has enough on their plates and yes one can have their LXn commercial dishwashers installed in a residence, it's not something usually recommended.

Hobart themselves do not recommend installing their commercial dishwashers in residential settings.

https://www.hobartcorp.com/products...unter/hobart-lxn-base-undercounter-dishwasher

 
If you would want something closer to commercial but yet still useful for the home, some few manufacturers have better solutions.

Tank DWs don't make much sense in home settings.
They use very little water per wash cycle, but actually hold very large amounts compared to household machines.
They have their wash water tank, which usually holds a few gallons, at about 140F. Then they have their post wash rinse tank, which holds a gallon or two at 160+F.
Each cycle, after the wash, a portion of water is drained and the post rinse water re-ups the level.

That means at any time you have the equivalent of lets say 8gal of 140F water in the machine.
Keeping that amount of water at that temp all the time makes sense if you run 5+ cycles an hour for hours on end.

If you only run 2 or 3 cycles, filling the machine and getting all the water up to temp is a huge waste of energy.

In europe, SMEG offers a model like this, but in the US, only Miele offers "Pro for the home" machines.

General idea is that through several alterations, you can get loads done way faster.

There are 2 platforms.
One is based on the G7000 platform, basically the equivalent of the little giant DWs.
Those have home style baskets. They use 2 wash pumps to run both racks at full spray pressure all the time.
With additional heating power, they can run a load in as little as 24min. The 120V version takes closer to an hour.

The second platform is the true commercial platform.
Those come with racks, but you can swap those out with any of those standard racks known from tank type DWs.
Cycles go as low as 6min.
They have an entirely different wash pump setup - talking over 100gal/min peak recirc rate.

Given they are all fresh water, you don't have the issue with keeping hot water hot in storage for a few loads.
 
My dad owned an Italian restaurant. It had one of those huge Hobart commercial dishwashers where one slides the rack inside after rinsing the dishes. It had an aggressive wash cycle and an sanitizing rinse cycle. IIRC, the rinse water was hot enough to evaporate when the dishes were slid out the other door and the dishes dried very quickly.
 
Commercial Dish Machines:

Are an ENTIRELY different animal than home dishwashers. I know this better than most with 30 years in the foodservice industry. The dish machine in question while an undercounter unit that could be used residentially is still a true commercial unit.

To be used properly it requires a 208-240 power connection and must have either a booster heater for the 180f rinse or sanitizer injection for a 140 rinse to properly sanitize.

Good pre-scrapping/rinsing procedures are very important to keep food soil out of the wash tank water.

A dish machine must also be allowed enough time to fill and heat the water up to temp before any racks are washed.

While I would not say no to using a commercial DM at home there are some things to consider before doing so.

WK78
 
Again, as I tried to say, you have to seperate tank and fresh water DWs.
There are fresh water DWs with cycle times as low as 6min I know of, so they can be really fast, though tank machines go as low als 90 seconds.
(Though, Mieles 6min cycle is somewhat emulating a tank machine in a way, 13min is more realistic).

Fresh water DWs even at commercial speeds are better with heavy soils, especially bigger soil amounts.
Burnt/dried on foods are a different topic, though with just plain dishes, cups, glasses etc. that's less of an issue.

With tank machines, since you don't get a 100% water exchange between each cycle, you want to remove most soil beforehand.
That's why tank machines for plates and such basically always come integrated into a pre-rinse and loading station where you rinse off most soil.
The DW basically only does degreasing and sanitizing.
Many establishments have seperate glass DWs in the bar area. You don't have to pretreat those items since you don't have large soil amounts. The cleaner water in general allows for better glass finish.

Those industrial tank DWs usually have 3 timed cycles between 60 and 180 seconds plus a continuous cycle you can let run untill you hit start again which triggers the post wash rinse.

More high end and current machines have variable speed wash pumps and offer specific cycles for typical things, like a special cutlery cycle.

I again don't think - unless you entertain REALLY regularly for huge crowds - a tank DW ever makes sense in a household, period.
They only work efficiently if you run many loads very quickly for hours on end.

A commercial fresh water DW with its 4x heating power is way easier to justify, especially if you are already running 3+ cycles a day in a regular DW, which might happen in offices or large households.
 
Here's another ad showing a Hobart-made dishwasher for home use. It is interesting that it has a reverse-rack configuration.

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Looks more like a coffee shop type of setting to me: she's wearing an apron, I see what looks like stainless steel containers with cutlery in the background as well as stacked cups for a soda machine and some sort of plastic or glass guard around the counter. The cabinet next to the dishwasher is also a stainless steel one.
 
Brochure For Hobart LXn DW

Image above is part of said brochure where cover clearly shows staff member is from some sort of food/hospitality place.

https://www.hobartcorp.com/sites/de...unter Dishwashers Brochure F48684 (10-23).pdf

Specs:

https://www.hobartcorp.com/sites/de...Temp Dishwasher Spec Sheet F48661 (09-23).pdf

Manual:

https://itwfeg.webdamdb.com/directd...vuV79EXjeiyVEGBPtiYmPPs67T1ImuNEFnnoI1Sq&in=1

In common with all commercial dishwasher these units must be cleaned out at end of day or at least once per.

Am not saying someone couldn't install a LXn dishwasher in domestic setting, but it just seems like whole lot of bother. There are many domestic dishwashers, in particular from TOL offerings that will do the job. For what one LXn dw costs one could have two or maybe three TOL domestic dishwashers.
 
I've Seen Owen's dishwasher..

and even he's said it doesn't clean all that well. They're designed for heavily pre-rinsed dishes as one would find in a kitchen establishment as the cycle time is extremely brief, much shorter than even most of the domestic machines of the 1950s.

I suggested a different detergent for it, which I don't think he's had the opportunity to try yet, bit I don't see it making much of a difference.
 

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