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timon90

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Hi folks. It's been a really long time since last time I was active her.

But here comes the "bomb":

I've got a Hoover Keymatic:D The model with the round clock, instead of the timeline programme indicator. It hasnt been used since 1980!!

Dos anyone here know where I can get a new doorseal for this?

Thanks
 
Hi

Firstly congratulations on your new Keymatic!

As far as im aware a new doorseal is keeping a few Keymatics that collectors have from operating.(Asuming you have a slant front model).

They cannot be purchased anymore as no one is making even pattern ones.

I may be wrong though so you may be lucky.

Mark
 
Keymatic

Hi Tom, congrats on finding a keymatic, do you have the manuals as well!!! the door boots are NLA as Mark said, and even so if you found one would probably be mush after all this time!!! we are currently experimenting with different boots here both old and new..the seventies hoover boots (generic) do fit the tub but are small around the outer cabinet ...

Why dont you try some new replacement boots for size and see!!! you might strike lucky, and if you do you`ll certainly have a few customers!!! is it working besides the seal??

Cheers, Mike
 
KEymatics

Hello Tom

yes a brilliant find indeed, beuatiful looking machines, sorry to say i cannot advise as to the door rubbers.......i have heard mention of glueing two different ones together, but i do not know anymore.

Mark
Hello matey hows you:-)

Tom can ask if you are "timonspub" on youtube ?

Gary
 
Mikes Keys

Gansky
YOu mean Mike sent you a keymatic key plate without the machine!!!!.........how insensitive of him.........he sent me a BMW series 5 owners book once.........i waited for weeks for the car to turn up............nothing! :-(
 
Hi Tom congratulations on the new find, hope you can get it working again. My Grandmothers friend had the same model. She'd let me play with it when we would vist but warned me not to break or loss the keyplate. She had it up untill the early 80's. It was replaced with a Philips slim star. The keymatic then sat next to her coal bunker under some plastic sheeting for months, I begged my parents to let me have it but alas the answer was no.

Hi keith ur's looks amazing, I think the blue panel looks so nice.
 
Mine luckily still has an intact boot, however I need a Keyplate that'll engage the heater as it came with a Hoover AU special Cold Fill Cold wash jobbie.

Does anyone have a Hot + Cold fill or Cold fill and heat keyplate that they'd be prepared to part with for Love and or money :)

Reader is as below

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Hi Nathan,

Hey I have a couple of sets of keyplates for my Keymatic happy to look and see what I have doubles of and part with....

Now the only problem is it's all in storage in Melbourne and I'm living in the UK now but I plan to be back in OZ around March/April so happy to have a look then for you..if you can wait...

Mark
Here's a pic of my machine....

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Mark...

....whilst not 'mint' that looks to be in remarkably good nick...

As I mentioned above, my aunt in East Balmain had one....she cried when it left to be replaced by a Zodiac 475....

Is yours fully functioning?
 
What would be really good is if someone got some perspex or glass and do a vid of the was action on a keymatic. would be great to see the water levels and the wash actions
 
If someone have all possible keyplates, maybe it's a chance to get someone to "copy" them, in f.ex plexiglass?!
 
You don't need plexiglass or glass. You can operate a Keymatic with the door open.
On a Keymatic the door boot is VERY floppy and flexible, it needs to be. The drum moves around a lot more than newer machines. The drum is suspended on a cable and two very soft springs, as the drum fills with water it drops till it is sitting on a lip at the front of the frame, then the drum keeps lowering at the back so it tilts back as it fills. So when it is full the water level is higher than the top of the pulsator at the back (that is, more than half way up) but below the rubber seal at the front. The combination of the severe backward tilt of the tub and the deep door boot means only a few drops of water splash out when you do a load with the door open. (You have to bypass the door switch and disable the drum brake - Unlike most front loaders, the Keymatic has a drum brake linked by a cable to the door hinge, so when you open the door the drum is braked, though it isn't a strong brake.)
The soft suspension means that the Keymatic copes very well with unbalanced loads, the drum can be dancing around madly on spin but the cabinet will be still and quiet, with no vibration and even on its castor wheels, no wandering.

Several years ago when I lived in inner suburban Melbourne (Richmond) I owned several Keymatics I had collected from roadside hard garbage collections, plus some spare parts. When my partner and I were ready to move to the sticks, I had not yet discovered this great website and community, so I didn't really appreciate what I had and I disposed of most of it - a restored Keymatic I gave to the Salvation Army for a window display at a thrift shop, and the rest, I shudder to admit, went to the tip. I only kept a few spare parts. I had converted one to run from 12 volts DC, not automatic I must add, it used a Renault windscreen wiper motor for the wash and a small golf buggy motor for spin, plus a car heater fan motor to belt drive a Hoovermatic pump, plus 12 volt solenoids for water inlets and two clockwork timers, one for fill/wash and one for drain/spin. It worked really well and used hardly any power from my rudimentary solar power system at the time, but later I improved the solar power setup so I could use a regular washing machine and the poor old 12 volt Keymatic went to the tip, though I kept the parts to convert another.
Since then I have rescued another Keymatic, a Mark 4, but I can't restore it as the motor is missing. (about 15 to 20 years ago when Keymatics were being junked all around the country, people used to salvage the motor as a Keymatic motor/gearbox makes a good barbeque rotisserie motor for spit roasts.)
Chris
 
Keymatics

Hi Keith, lovely looking machine, looks straight out the showroom, lovely huey blue fascia..is that the original boot on your 3226??

Greg & gang, you know we are waiting?? especially that Jetcone who played with one of the Isle of wight many moons ago!!!

Hi Louis, could you post a close up pic of your black & white keyplate, I`m trying to determine what slot is different than on the "All Cold" Aus one??

Mark, did all the A3224 timeline keymatics have a white outer cabinet in Aus?? my Aunts emigrated to Melbourne in 1968 with Pilkingtons Glass and I only found out last year that when Aunty Fran arrived they where in rented, and She had a Keymatic A3226 which she absolutely loved...

Tom, have a few of the keyplates, no 3226 models though, we where talking about it last year, that possibly you could make replicas out of balsa / plastic etc, after all its just grooves in the slots that activate the cams/ prog reader for the programmes etc!! The one thing that doesnt happen is that the keplates are transferrable, like the advertising stated...most machines have slightly different keyplate readers etc...I have used different ones in other machines but not all programmes sequence in the correct way!!!

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Ohh

Hi Chris, wev`e all been there with stuff had we known the fascination & value it would now still be with us!!
Fascinating about how you where able to make it work 12 volts, just goes to show what can be achieved, very intreagued as to how fast the barbi would turn, would it be wash speed reduced through the drive wheels?? have visions of flicking it to spin and everyone covered with flying spitroast!!!
 
Hi All,

Egads Watson, I think I've got it.

When you compare my keyplate to Louis's, mine clearly has notches removed.

That would be the difference I suppose.

In the past I've attempted to line the notches up to contacts on the keplate to compare to the repair manual, but there seems to be more notches on the keyplate than there are in the manual.

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Keyplates

Thanks Louis, just what we where thinking about the notches etc...is the black keyplate on the LHS Cold Fill?? and the red on the RHS Hot & Cold??

Hi Nathan, so were all the Cold fill Cold Wash keyplates like that?? just had their notches removed?? Having never used this type of keyplate or reader, does the reader engage with the those notches cut out of the white middle bit?? as well as the side notches??
 
I wondered about that too

Its fairly easy to see how the later versions which Mike have work, but I wondered about the earlier version too, if it used the cut outs on the white part too.

Sounds to me like a project with Matt involved to see how these actually works - camcorders at the ready :)
Al
 
cutouts

the cutouts on the outer edge (black above) worked the card reader fingers.

The inner cutouts (white above, one per face) were the retainer so that the card clicked into place and wouldn't vibrate out or get removed by rotten children.

The basic principle of the keyplate is quite simple: The timer has every possible option in sequence. Each stage where the timer might stop can be bypassed (no bump on keyplate) or completed (bump on keyplate). So the keyplate reader consists of a row of switches, each one corresponds to a spot on the timer. Where there is a bump on a keyplate, that switch is opened and the timer stops at that place. Where there is no bump, that switch remains closed and the timer skips past that part of the cycle. This means that if you pull out the keyplate during a cycle, all switches are closed and the timer skips directly to the end.
The timer activates every part of the cycle as it skips through, so if you pull out a keyplate it will fill, tumble, pump, spin for a second or so each as it passes that point of the cycle.
Chris
 
sacrilege of the keymatic bbq

Hi Mike

The motor has a pulley at one end which turns motor speed (fast) which is the spin pulley. The other end of the motor has a reduction gearbox and a slow pulley, which is the wash pulley. So as long as you connect your bbq to the slow pulley, you will have a spit roast, not a "spin roast".
 
centre notches

Hi all

the centre notches were for the 3224 locking pin. To remove the keyplate you had to press the button on the underside of the control panel whilst withdrawing it. This feature was not included in subsequent models.

And yes Mike we need to get back out with the tools this year and get ours running, and Al your camcorder skills and afternoon tea will be most welcome, we need some films of these in action. Hopefully see you soon.

Mathew
 
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