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Hey all! I was interested particular in the Brit Boy's opinion of Horizontal Axis toploaders. Its been discussed ages ago but with many new members I was wondering what you all think. I was looking at the Hoover Top Vision on the web the other day.

I honestly dont know why these machines are not more popular they seem a great alternative to those who dont like bending over for front loaders, and if made wider could have an enourmous capacity, use less water and still wash properly.

Even the standard ones as they are made would be great in flats where a laundry is in the bathroom.

Bendix in Australia sold one but the importer went bust. Kleenmaid sold two Brandt models but being Kleenmaid, they were hideously expensive and not that widely available. Shame. While I know you cant watch them in action the whole machine I found utterly fascinating.

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I like them. One of the first machines I can remember was a Philips top loader, and it was an excellent machine. I can still remember now when I was much younger and wanted to help, being given a set of tongs to help get things out from the bottom of the machine!

Many homes now just aren't designed to have the top loading machines, but if I had a utility room that could take one then I would consider it.
 
personally i like to see whats going on in the wash even when i use my hotpoint toploader most of the time the lid is up but you couldnt do that with the machine in the pix.
 
I've always liked them too, and had there been no worktop over the space for the washing machine, would have chosen one over a front loader. Bosch used to make one with the control panel situated on the front of the machine, so theoretically it could be slid under a worktop and wheeled out for loading and unloading, but in reality I thought this would prove to be a nuisance in actual daily use.

Although you can't see what's going on inside, this does have its benefits. Rather like when using a Maytag Neptune, you eventually learn to stop worrying and just let the machine get on with what it's doing. Sounds impossible at first, but once you see that the washing does indeed come out clean, it becomes much easier to get your head round the whole idea. And if you really *must* see inside, most H-axis TLs will allow you to pause the cycle and open the lid immediately; worse case scenario is that some models make you wait 2 minutes before the lid unlocks.

Another common complaint about H-axis TLs is the spring loaded drum flaps. Some of them can be quite vicious, so I can see why people feel wary about them. Zanussi have a marvellous design on their TL, where you just press a button and the flaps open slowly and gracefully without snapping at your fingers. Unless of course they have a patent on this mechanism, it's something all TLs should have IMHO.

Finally, back when I was working for Bosch, my sales rep did tell me off the record that the company was considering a 60cm wide H-axis TL with a 7 kilo capacity, amongst other ideas. It never came to be, and presumably they went with the Nexxt/Logixx 9 design instead. Always thought that was a pity, because I would have liked to see such a machine and could imagine it being successful on the American market in particular, as an alternative to other HE top load designs for those who don't wish to switch to a front loader.

Cheers,

Kirk
 
HORIZONTAL AXIS TOP LOADERS?!?!?

OH! I love them the most!!! How much we have discussed on these pages about them...
I know that Louis and me are the two best H-axis TL's lovers!

I have one, and I say that are the best washers ever made!

You have the benefit of the tumbling action (low comsumes of water and energy, best cleaning efficiency even with heavy soil leve and stains, without pretreating), and you get a TL too!

Then, instead of the FL which the drum is bolted only on the rear side, where the pulley works, in these machines the drum has got two bearings in both sides.

I have got a Whirlpool AWT 8104 D (recently repaired on one bearings) that spins at 1000rpm without any problems of stability and noisy.

Look at this...
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/VINTAGE/8466x8.htm
the machine we are speakign about have been invented in US, although they're much more diffuse in Europe, while the agitating system as a standard there in US has been invented in Europe.

Untill now these machine have been choosing for the dimension (they're smaller than a FL), sometimes decreasing the capacity (from 5kg standard, down to 4,5/4kg), now they can hand a load of 6kg as any other tumbling washer.

They're not so diffuse however here neither.

At the end, in Europe the most are tumbling washers, if you say FL, you mean the washer as it is known all over the world, if you say TL we mean this, h-axis.

In US instead, if you say FL, is the same, if you say TL they mean v-axis, that's agitator/impeller washers.

But, even in US there's a h-axis TL...STABER!!!!
OLè!

Now I want to see what happens...:-DDD

Diomede

http://www.staber.com/
 
Kirk

60cm h-axis TL would be GREAT! They're almost disappeared from the earth...

In the '60-'70 they were more common, producers take the advantage of them for the dimension not for the ease of loading.

Bye!
Diomede
 
Staber Washers

I have had 2 Staber washers and they are great for 3 or 4 mo. then they become you worst nightmare, POOEY POOEY!!!
 
Sudman,
Could you tell us a bit more about the nightmare of Stabers?
Use commercially or domestically?
 
the7

They were used commercial. But very lightly about 3 or 4 loads per day for scurbs not heavy loads either. We had trouble with the drain pumps , timers, cold fill valves, and one of the motors burned up in 6 weeks , They sent another and did replace it but It took a letter from our attorney to get it done. Also the caps that cover the bolts on the inside of the tubs where they were fastned to the shafts broke off and caused a lot of pulls and tears. We gladly sold them for junk and wrote them off ... Its really a sad shame I did love the way they operated and did a wonderful job of washing and extract ,, I wish they could get it together.. I liked the washability of the machines. But there is NO ONE that will work on them you do it ALL yourself
 
I am sorry to hear of the problems with your Stabers. You would think for the money they charge for them, they would not be having these knids of problems.
I like the Staber concept, and I must admit I have never seen one in person, BUT they do look kind of flimsy to me anyway.
On a side note, Staber now offers their washers in a variety of colors besides white & Stainless. You can have red, green & blue...for a $500.00 surcharge! That is outrageous!
 
I'm afraid of Staber...

Looked from here it would seem a very good machine...

Anyway, I told that the most appliances producers make TL (and here I mean h-axis), but as now the most narrow models are most available you foun ever less the old type of TLh-axis, the ones which seem more to the Staber, that's the 60cm wide models.

In past those models were more available, with Ingis brand here and I think with Hotpoint brnad in UK, now only Hoover has got a model like that called SpazioTOP and here you are another one, BOMPANI! Look at the bottom of the page what is said about that model.

I think that the same products are even commercialized with Philco brand too...maybe...I'm not sure

Bye
Diomede

PS: I have alwasye hated that exagon shaped inner dumr of Staber's washers, I wrote it to them too and it was anwered me that's to give a more vigorous action...??? But the most h-axis drum has the right vigoroug action even without a exagon shape drum...so WHY?

http://www.bompani.it/$CLIENTI/Bomp...era installazione WASHING TOP LOADING Inglese
 
Diomede, love the Spaziotop, and love the name. In Australia that name would have another meaning altogether. Very amusing.

I think the 60 cm wide TL Horizontal Axis machine Kirk mentioned would of been 60 cm wide by 60 cm deep. I would imagine that would be an enourmous capacity machine.

I noted that the french Arthur Martin machine has a plastic trap door that in theory, should be less tricky for those clumsy fingered type people.

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Because of the exterior dimension...

When in France has beginning to be popular the washing machine (in the early 60), the most people lived in very small flats, so it was a "compulsory" choice to buy a TL, first of all because you have not busy the space in front of it when you open the lid.
Then these machine became smaller thaks to the engineering innovations.

As other times I told, there in France EVERYTHING is TL, the have washers, combos washer/dryer and dryers too everything TL h-axis. Although each brand has got many types of machine, people prefer more those type with TL...

Those flap you poested arrived first in France in 2001, simply pressing the blu pushbutton, the flaps rise up slowly without hearing the hit of the springs there are to keep'em closed.

Try to look there...if you handle a bit of French...

http://www.brandt.com/jahia/
 
Arthur Martin machines are, I think, Electrolux group machines, so will be the same design as the Zanussi, Husqvarna and probably AEG TL machines.

I remember discussions about the large capacity BSH top loaders, shame that idea never yet got further than the drawing board.
 

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