launderess
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I just LOOOOOVE this!
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mrb627
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This is an interesting machine...
Malcolm
This is an interesting machine...
Malcolm
launderess
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Too Early In The Morning For Moi To Deal With The Annoucer&#
Maybe around luch or tea time will have another go. But thanks for posting the link Malcolm, looks like an interesting machine.
Maybe around luch or tea time will have another go. But thanks for posting the link Malcolm, looks like an interesting machine.
tecnopolis
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Launderess,
I love that first video, but don't you think the workers should be using breath masks to reduce the chance of air borne pathogens from infecting them? Seems like they have to come very close to the load to stuff it well into the machine not to be at risk. Unless really contaminated loads are handled in a separate process? Maybe they have those UV/sanitizing lights around the laundry room? I see an OSHA moment here.
I love that first video, but don't you think the workers should be using breath masks to reduce the chance of air borne pathogens from infecting them? Seems like they have to come very close to the load to stuff it well into the machine not to be at risk. Unless really contaminated loads are handled in a separate process? Maybe they have those UV/sanitizing lights around the laundry room? I see an OSHA moment here.
@technopolis:
Agree completely.
Very few hospitals have on-site laundry any more. It was one of the first functions to be outsourced after food service. Followed by floor maintenance and then central sterile outsourcing, biomed engineering and building operation.
Clean linens in a hospital environment are important, but not nearly as important as employees having closely trimmed nails and using good handwashing procedures.
If you see an LPN or an RN with acrylic nails in a critical care environment, show them the door.
My 2 pesos.
Agree completely.
Very few hospitals have on-site laundry any more. It was one of the first functions to be outsourced after food service. Followed by floor maintenance and then central sterile outsourcing, biomed engineering and building operation.
Clean linens in a hospital environment are important, but not nearly as important as employees having closely trimmed nails and using good handwashing procedures.
If you see an LPN or an RN with acrylic nails in a critical care environment, show them the door.
My 2 pesos.
launderess
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@technopolis
Agree totally.
However what one did not understand is why the workers on the "clean" side wore smocks or other protective clothing whilst hose on the "dirty" side who were upclose and personal loading soiled linen did not.
In the UK/EU bodies that regulate public health/commercial laundries prefer barrier laundries for healthcare linen whilst the industry loathes to build them. Barrier laundries are expensive to build, staff (if done properly staff on one side isn't supposed to go the other or vice versa without a shower and change), and of course once all that equipment is installed it is harder to move.
@lowegin:
As one who spent time working in healthcare/nursing well remember being disptached to the hospital laundry when floor/unit ran out of linens. However as you say that has long ceased.
Much depends upon local conditions. Here in NYC commercial/steam laundry regulations all but make it impossible to have one installed near or in a hospital, so it has long been out sourced. That applied mainly to Manhattan, whilst many hospitals in less congested Staten Island, Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx had their own laundries.
Back around the 1980's when managed care revolution started hospitals began looking at just what was their core mission; everything else was to be eliminated or outsourced. That was when many places started shutting down their inhouse laundries.
The problem for hospitals today is that modern commercial laundry equipment is *VERY* expensive and really only pays if kept running at full tilt 24/7 or at least a major part of the time. Then there are the labour, insurance and other costs that are incurred regardless of if the laundry processes 200 sheets or 2000.
Many healthcare systems that own several hospitals/healthcare facilities do own their own laundries. Such places will process all the linen for every hospital and may even take in others as well. However at some point modern tunnel wash systems make more sense and those costs are usually beyond a healthcare system to install and run.
Agree totally.
However what one did not understand is why the workers on the "clean" side wore smocks or other protective clothing whilst hose on the "dirty" side who were upclose and personal loading soiled linen did not.
In the UK/EU bodies that regulate public health/commercial laundries prefer barrier laundries for healthcare linen whilst the industry loathes to build them. Barrier laundries are expensive to build, staff (if done properly staff on one side isn't supposed to go the other or vice versa without a shower and change), and of course once all that equipment is installed it is harder to move.
@lowegin:
As one who spent time working in healthcare/nursing well remember being disptached to the hospital laundry when floor/unit ran out of linens. However as you say that has long ceased.
Much depends upon local conditions. Here in NYC commercial/steam laundry regulations all but make it impossible to have one installed near or in a hospital, so it has long been out sourced. That applied mainly to Manhattan, whilst many hospitals in less congested Staten Island, Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx had their own laundries.
Back around the 1980's when managed care revolution started hospitals began looking at just what was their core mission; everything else was to be eliminated or outsourced. That was when many places started shutting down their inhouse laundries.
The problem for hospitals today is that modern commercial laundry equipment is *VERY* expensive and really only pays if kept running at full tilt 24/7 or at least a major part of the time. Then there are the labour, insurance and other costs that are incurred regardless of if the laundry processes 200 sheets or 2000.
Many healthcare systems that own several hospitals/healthcare facilities do own their own laundries. Such places will process all the linen for every hospital and may even take in others as well. However at some point modern tunnel wash systems make more sense and those costs are usually beyond a healthcare system to install and run.
@launderess:
I know all too well what's happened to contemporary hospitals.
Were you around when ETO sterilizers were used? And then when the health scares about ETO came about?
Outsourcing of essential hospital functions has been a contributing factor in MRSA-resistant bacteria infections. GK Linen Services (to pick one of several "service companies") really doesn't care whether they are delivering shop towels to a Ford dealer or linens to a Hospital, as long as they deliver the financial results that the corp. predicts and the analysts agree with.
Don't get sick, then you don't have to worry about whether the icky hospital food was made on-site by nice ladies wearing a cornette and a habit or by an illegal working for Sodexco as part of a healthcare system contract.
I know all too well what's happened to contemporary hospitals.
Were you around when ETO sterilizers were used? And then when the health scares about ETO came about?
Outsourcing of essential hospital functions has been a contributing factor in MRSA-resistant bacteria infections. GK Linen Services (to pick one of several "service companies") really doesn't care whether they are delivering shop towels to a Ford dealer or linens to a Hospital, as long as they deliver the financial results that the corp. predicts and the analysts agree with.
Don't get sick, then you don't have to worry about whether the icky hospital food was made on-site by nice ladies wearing a cornette and a habit or by an illegal working for Sodexco as part of a healthcare system contract.
launderess
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Ethylene oxide
Never dug too deeply as to where things went, just reached for supplies and cared that they were where they should have been! *LOL*
Left all that behind by the early 1990's so am not sure what Manhattan hospitals had buried deep in the bowels of their buildings. *LOL*
As for MRSA and laundry along with other reused items in hospitals many are now clamping down on things terms of HAIs. While there is a human cost involved but a strong push is also coming from insurance companies, and the federal government via Medicare and Medicaid.
It really doesn't matter who does the laundry, long as certain proceedures are followed it should return free of harmful pathogens and or at levels so reduced not to cause patient harm. Most hospitals now employ an infection control nurse or even department whose job it is to keep abreast of such things. Samples of freshly returned linens can and often are swabbed and cultured to see what is *there*. If IC finds something they shouldn't a phone call will be made. Should the problem persist a change in laundry service can and often does happen.
Never dug too deeply as to where things went, just reached for supplies and cared that they were where they should have been! *LOL*
Left all that behind by the early 1990's so am not sure what Manhattan hospitals had buried deep in the bowels of their buildings. *LOL*
As for MRSA and laundry along with other reused items in hospitals many are now clamping down on things terms of HAIs. While there is a human cost involved but a strong push is also coming from insurance companies, and the federal government via Medicare and Medicaid.
It really doesn't matter who does the laundry, long as certain proceedures are followed it should return free of harmful pathogens and or at levels so reduced not to cause patient harm. Most hospitals now employ an infection control nurse or even department whose job it is to keep abreast of such things. Samples of freshly returned linens can and often are swabbed and cultured to see what is *there*. If IC finds something they shouldn't a phone call will be made. Should the problem persist a change in laundry service can and often does happen.
tecnopolis
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I'm no biologist, but I've read that the only safe way to sterilize something is with heat, not chemicals. Namely, steam, as it ruptures the cell membrane and the pathegen dies without altering it's DNA. It's like popping a mico pimple/pop corn. Of course, there has always been the autoclave, but that is not for textiles.
One of the reasons I liked my Haier combo was right after the wash the drying process would get so hot that if you pulled out a towel, they were unaccountably hot and the waft of steam when you opened the door, would melt your face!
One of the reasons I liked my Haier combo was right after the wash the drying process would get so hot that if you pulled out a towel, they were unaccountably hot and the waft of steam when you opened the door, would melt your face!
tecnopolis
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> Interesting web site for those inclined to read more about the process.
http://www.lso-inc.com/sterilization-validation-services/
http://www.lso-inc.com/sterilization-validation-services/
dj-gabriele
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I'd rather use gamma rays for serious sterilization as many have started to do! They do less harm than autoclaving and are 100% safe to surgical materials!
launderess
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Not Autoclaving Textiles?
Where did you get that stuff?
One of the first uses of autoclaves was in hospitals and other healthcare settings for instruments and textiles that needed to be sterile such as those used in OR and L&D.
http://www.groco.is/groco/upload/files/skrar_i_frodleikur/guide_to_autoclaves.pdf
Where did you get that stuff?
One of the first uses of autoclaves was in hospitals and other healthcare settings for instruments and textiles that needed to be sterile such as those used in OR and L&D.
http://www.groco.is/groco/upload/files/skrar_i_frodleikur/guide_to_autoclaves.pdf
tecnopolis
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.. I never knew you could autoclave clothing, just instruments.
Wouldn't the high temps singe cloth fibers?
I suspect the fire/spontaneous combustion risk is low due to the closed chamber?
It reminds me of that old movie, Fahrenheit 451.
Wouldn't the high temps singe cloth fibers?
I suspect the fire/spontaneous combustion risk is low due to the closed chamber?
It reminds me of that old movie, Fahrenheit 451.
tecnopolis
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..Thanks for the link. I always thought it was a dry process like a self cleaning oven. Not how I pictured it when my friend who was a dental hygienist described her duties to me. That little toaster over didn't look too technical. But that was 30+ years ago.
launderess
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No, Not Dry At All
In a very broad sense autoclaving is steam under pressure similar to devices used in domestic settings to prepare food. The differences as outlined in the link posted above is that the former reach *very* high levels of pressure and thus have an increased danger risk.
Also as outlined above the "wet" steam process must be at once followed by a drying one otherwise contents will emerge moist. That would allow pathogens to start growing all over again.
In a very broad sense autoclaving is steam under pressure similar to devices used in domestic settings to prepare food. The differences as outlined in the link posted above is that the former reach *very* high levels of pressure and thus have an increased danger risk.
Also as outlined above the "wet" steam process must be at once followed by a drying one otherwise contents will emerge moist. That would allow pathogens to start growing all over again.
tecnopolis
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It all seems very energy intensive.. no wonder the hospitals gave up doing it in house.
tecnopolis
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Ever since I saw that movie "Andromeda Strain", I think I permanently became a bit of a germaphobe. And hearing of these super bugs in the news lately makes me leary of using ATM's and Gas pumps.
launderess
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High Temerature In An Autoclave And Textiles
While the temperature is indeed very "high" inside an autoclave it is moist not dry heat. There is little danger of burning textile fibers long as the proper precautions are taken.
While the temperature is indeed very "high" inside an autoclave it is moist not dry heat. There is little danger of burning textile fibers long as the proper precautions are taken.
tecnopolis
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Wow, all this science and industry just to fight and prevent the spread of germs!
tecnopolis
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autowasherfreak
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That would be my dream job, not sure which side I would like to work on though, LOL.
launderess
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It Looks Like Fun
But one can only imagine the aching back, legs, feet and arms at the end of a busy day. Not to mention working when it is hot and humid outdoors, which would make it nearly unbearable inside.
Have to say everytime one sees these videos of EU laundries they are so clean you could eat off the floor. Totally opposite of what one often sees on this side of the pond! *LOL*
Am wondering why this laundry has so much advanced automated equipment yet the folding is done by hand.
But one can only imagine the aching back, legs, feet and arms at the end of a busy day. Not to mention working when it is hot and humid outdoors, which would make it nearly unbearable inside.
Have to say everytime one sees these videos of EU laundries they are so clean you could eat off the floor. Totally opposite of what one often sees on this side of the pond! *LOL*
Am wondering why this laundry has so much advanced automated equipment yet the folding is done by hand.
@dj-gabriele:
Using gamma radiation to sterilize surgical instruments isn't as simple as it might seem. It's a lot cheaper, easier and faster to kill bacteria with steam (i.e., heat) than using a gamma emitter.
Using X-rays isn't much better.
Using gamma radiation to sterilize surgical instruments isn't as simple as it might seem. It's a lot cheaper, easier and faster to kill bacteria with steam (i.e., heat) than using a gamma emitter.
Using X-rays isn't much better.
Is that an Eastern Europe brand?
I wonder why they stuff the machines so extremly and don't control the result for stains etc. Multiple layer things such as bedcloths shouldn't be washed in such an overloaded machine, I think. That is not very hygienic, even if they separate the sides...
I wonder why they stuff the machines so extremly and don't control the result for stains etc. Multiple layer things such as bedcloths shouldn't be washed in such an overloaded machine, I think. That is not very hygienic, even if they separate the sides...
launderess
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Primus
Originally begun in Beligum, Primus is now a world-wide producer/seller of commercial laundry equipment.
One assumes laundry workers shown above know how much to load machines for rated capacity. Remember despite their top opening the washers are H-Axis so a good amount of the wash will compact down.
As for sanitation,disenfection etc... that is all carried out by a mixture of chemicals, wash cycles, and temperature. Though one assumes laundry contaminated with serious pathogens (such as from an isolation room or patient with serious disease) would be separated out for special treatment.
Most all commercial laundries, and we're talking everything from service washes at local laundrettes to large scale operations with tunnel washers, rarely if ever pre-treat for stains. It is just too labour intensive which would cut down into profits and or cause a price increase. Rather wash programs are tailored to meet common stains and or special cycles for those most often found.
For instance operating room linens might have a cycle designed to shift blood. Table linens for protein, starch and other food/beverage stains. Kitchen linens grease/fats/oils, etc.
Most common formula for dealing with blood in commercial laundries, going back ages has been to have a first wash in warm water with alkaline substance. However today's modern enzyme and oxygen bleach containing detergents will do an excellent job of shifting most blood and other stains for that matter if the cycles are properly designed and product dosed correctly.
Finally as for the final laundry results concerning sanitation; if an outbreak of disease does occur nursing and or medical staff can and will quickly trace things to their source. In many hospitals it is not uncommon for "infection control" nursing and or medical staff to routinely test samples of "clean" laundry as it comes back from the wash.
http://www.primuslaundry.com/company.aspx?lang=EN&swf=company
Originally begun in Beligum, Primus is now a world-wide producer/seller of commercial laundry equipment.
One assumes laundry workers shown above know how much to load machines for rated capacity. Remember despite their top opening the washers are H-Axis so a good amount of the wash will compact down.
As for sanitation,disenfection etc... that is all carried out by a mixture of chemicals, wash cycles, and temperature. Though one assumes laundry contaminated with serious pathogens (such as from an isolation room or patient with serious disease) would be separated out for special treatment.
Most all commercial laundries, and we're talking everything from service washes at local laundrettes to large scale operations with tunnel washers, rarely if ever pre-treat for stains. It is just too labour intensive which would cut down into profits and or cause a price increase. Rather wash programs are tailored to meet common stains and or special cycles for those most often found.
For instance operating room linens might have a cycle designed to shift blood. Table linens for protein, starch and other food/beverage stains. Kitchen linens grease/fats/oils, etc.
Most common formula for dealing with blood in commercial laundries, going back ages has been to have a first wash in warm water with alkaline substance. However today's modern enzyme and oxygen bleach containing detergents will do an excellent job of shifting most blood and other stains for that matter if the cycles are properly designed and product dosed correctly.
Finally as for the final laundry results concerning sanitation; if an outbreak of disease does occur nursing and or medical staff can and will quickly trace things to their source. In many hospitals it is not uncommon for "infection control" nursing and or medical staff to routinely test samples of "clean" laundry as it comes back from the wash.
http://www.primuslaundry.com/company.aspx?lang=EN&swf=company
I would think that commercial laundry equipment designers don't give a whole lot of credit to the machine operators for treating the equipment correctly.
After all, laundry work is really pretty low on the employment totem pole.
If there were a machine that could take the dirty laundry from the bins, and load/unload the machines, there would be such a device commercially available. Probably just a matter of time...
After all, laundry work is really pretty low on the employment totem pole.
If there were a machine that could take the dirty laundry from the bins, and load/unload the machines, there would be such a device commercially available. Probably just a matter of time...
mrb627
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Overloading
I suppose the cramming full of the machine is somewhat responsible for typical hotel towels greeting and feeling like sand paper, even though chemical fabric softeners are/were used at the hotel where I worked back in the 80's.
It goes back to the mentality of just get it done, who cares about the results.
Malcolm
I suppose the cramming full of the machine is somewhat responsible for typical hotel towels greeting and feeling like sand paper, even though chemical fabric softeners are/were used at the hotel where I worked back in the 80's.
It goes back to the mentality of just get it done, who cares about the results.
Malcolm
launderess
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Well Yes and No
As pointed out in another thread started by a member, overloading and or otherwise abusing even a commerical washing machine will lead to problems inculding break downs. Bearing failures can often be directly pointed to from constant overloading for instance. When a machine is out of order it not only costs money in terms of production lost, but also because it now is a non-revenue producing asset.
Then there is the subject of results in general. Unless one is a bottom fishing customer such as some "knocking shop" motels or others looking just to get the work done as cheaply as possible, anyone else sending their washing out is going to notice the results of poor linen service and sooner or later take their business elsewhere. Maybe back in the day a laundry service could afford to write off customer loses thus and try for new to replace, but in today's world of "Yelp.com" and similar websites it becomes more difficult.
As pointed out in another thread started by a member, overloading and or otherwise abusing even a commerical washing machine will lead to problems inculding break downs. Bearing failures can often be directly pointed to from constant overloading for instance. When a machine is out of order it not only costs money in terms of production lost, but also because it now is a non-revenue producing asset.
Then there is the subject of results in general. Unless one is a bottom fishing customer such as some "knocking shop" motels or others looking just to get the work done as cheaply as possible, anyone else sending their washing out is going to notice the results of poor linen service and sooner or later take their business elsewhere. Maybe back in the day a laundry service could afford to write off customer loses thus and try for new to replace, but in today's world of "Yelp.com" and similar websites it becomes more difficult.
launderess
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Chemical Fabric Softeners
Will only go but so far in dealing with "harsh" feeling laundry if a sour isn't used when high alkaline detergents do the washing.
If you noticed above the Primus washers are hooked up to a chemical injection system where liquid laundry products are used. However there are still plenty of commercial/on premise laundries that use good old fashioned mid to high pH powdered detergents. It's cheap and will blast out most dirt/soils along with providing high enough alkaline conditions for optimal bleaching with chlorine (the preferred method for most American laundries), all at the expense of textile lifespan and hand.
Will only go but so far in dealing with "harsh" feeling laundry if a sour isn't used when high alkaline detergents do the washing.
If you noticed above the Primus washers are hooked up to a chemical injection system where liquid laundry products are used. However there are still plenty of commercial/on premise laundries that use good old fashioned mid to high pH powdered detergents. It's cheap and will blast out most dirt/soils along with providing high enough alkaline conditions for optimal bleaching with chlorine (the preferred method for most American laundries), all at the expense of textile lifespan and hand.
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