Hotpoint! dishwashers!

[combo52]

HOTPOINT DWs

Hi Peter the pictures that you posted at end of DWs like your families first DW still had the older motor and pump as compared to the brosure. These older machines were a lot noisier and a lot less durable than the later machines. It always seemed like the 1970s HP DWs were much better machines than the GEs with the crappy Plastsol coated interiors. But once the 1980s arrived and GE finally got away from the CPCIs it became obvious how much better the GE DWs were as compared to the HP machines. It seemed that the HPs with the porcelain tanks always had more trouble with leaks, rusted thanks and door liners and poorly designed racks.

 

[tomturbomatic]

I guess the 70s HP DWS held as much water in the pump as the GEs?

 

[appnut]

I guess the 70s HP DWS held as much water in the pump as the

Tom, I tink that was dependent upon whether machines had the reverse motor method of draining or the drain solenoid methoid of draining, which was in the mid-to latter part of the 1970s. Had friends move into a house in 1979 that was built in 1975 or 1976. It had a HP dishwasher with the drain solenoid design like on GE dishwashers. The timer knob looked like the one on the model 310. When I was in my 2nd year of college fall 1974, friends moved into a brand new complex that had been completed that previous spring/summer. It had a Hotpoint kitchen in it. It had a pretty much BOL dishasher, but the dial was a definite very round things with black outer rim that asa grooved from turning the knob and the center was silver with a blue pointing line. That knob was mor reminiscent of the model 880 above. That macine had the reversing motor for draining. It must have been the last of the Hotpoints like this. I remember it also had the much longer main wash (as I now see 16 minutes) compared to the 8 minute wash in my mid 1960s Hotpoint I had in my apartment down the street. It was much quieter than mine also. It also had a suds kill/or purge phase of adding water at the end of the wash cycle drain just before the draining stopped to get rid of some of the suds as well a purge the line of cold water. I was so jealous that their dishwasher was so much quieter, obviously sounded like it washed much better than mine, and had a short/light cycle designation on the timer panel that the blue pointer could point to on the panel. .

 

[tomturbomatic]

Thanks for the info. A friend up here had a harvest gold HP kitchen put in by the builder and had the BOL DW with the grooves around the dial like you describe on the black plastic panel at the top of the door.

 

[peteski50]

hotpoint dishwashers

I have a picture of the 1969 model except this one is simular to 880 series except without the sani option!

 

[peteski50]

Hotpoint

more specs

 

[jetcone]

Peter

isn't this one of these dishwashers for sale?

http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/app/2579854261.html

 

[jetcone]

OOO THIS

 LOOKS nice too but later.

http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/app/2574595329.html

 

[appnut]

Reply #47

Jon, this was the last "rendition" of this series before they switched to the GE product. These were like 1986 and 1987. This one was the enhanceed version of mine that came with my house in 1984. The one in the picture, friends that transferred up here with me, they got it in their new house which was built in late 1987 or early 1988. The only difference between mine and the one in the picture was that the water heating for the econo 120 feature as optional instead of simply built in. That extra set of buttons was NOT for a sani-temp.

 

[peteski50]

RE: post 541978
This one was already the first of the GE design.
The buttons from left to right were Pot Washer, Normal, RinseHold
The dial had a Light wash setting.

 

[appnut]

peter, we have a difference of opinion as to what constituted the "GE design". Yes, the one you are referencing probably did have the pump with the drain solenoid rather than the pause and reverse to drain. To me that didn't mean GE deesign, although the motor was it. To me the link to the dishwasher such as the one found in 541979 was still Hotpoint. It still had the porceilain tub. It also had what I called the cheap imitation of a KitchenAid Custom 16 & 17 with that horrible attempt with the sloped rack & underside as well as the ill-arranged tines that allowed for very poor spacing of glasses and mugs where you were forced to put stuff ove the tines. As long as those two factors were still present, it was still a Hotpoint design just like I still consider a KA23 series to be a KitchenAid design because it had the porcelain tub, the top rack, and bottom rack arrangement, even though it was made by Whirlpool. Once they got rid of all that and adopted the PermaTuf tub, the "modern" GE soap dispenser, and the super rack for the top rack, then it became a GE design completely. Albeit, still a much less powerful motor than the comparable GEs. I got rid of my Hotpoint because it couldn't stand up to the demands I put on my dishwasher. I got tired of having to soak entire loads of glasses in the sink in Dawn becuse the machine couldn't wash a full load and deal with rice or mashed potatoes. The gibblets all ended up on everything in the top rack. And this was a properly functioning dishwasher. A friend of mine from work installed the new GSD1200 PotScrubber. (He wanted e to get a Kenmore UltraWash lol). When he pulled hout the Hotpoint and was getting ready to put in the GE, he made this leteral comment: No wonder this thing can't clean like you said it can't, the motors between the two machines are significantly different in size. I remeber when my realtor was showing me the house she pointed out it was a Hotpoint PotWasher, "those are supposed to be pretty good". I thought yeah right, not cmopared to the PotScurbber I have in Houston. I opened the door and it lookeed so much like the 1960s Hotpoint I had in my first college apartment (which was pretty abysmall), I didn't have much hope for the dishwasher. All I can sy is it manageed to wash all 16 loads of stuff that I had to unpack when I moved in. (And I grumbled cuz it didn't hold as much as my GE in Houston either).

 

[peteski50]

Hotpoint!

Yes Bob it still had a lot of the Hotpoint features like the porceilain tub and the same soap dispenser along with the same hotpoint racks with the same wash tower as the hotpoint. But it had the drain solenoid rather than the pause and reverse to drain that GE had at that time. Also the timer was like the GE and most of the components were the GE design. To me it was a very unique design and we had given up the portable ghdb650 when we moved to New Jersey in 1974 and these were the newer models. My mom is a big rinser but she and my father traveled a lot and my sister and I were not rinsers and this machine washed very decently.

 

[combo52]

HP AND GE DW PUMPS AND MOTORS

HI Bob and Pete The pump and motor assembly in the HP DWs are exactly the same as what was used in the GSD1200s and all GE & HP DWs at the time. The GE GSD 1200 cleaned so much better because of the better multi-orbit wash arm and the self-cleaning filtering system and much better rack design. But the pumps and motors were exactly the same. I fact I mentioned a while ago that the cheapest part of the otherwise great 1200s was the cheap inefficient, winning motor which is why if I was going to use one of the 1200s as a daily driver today I would always install one of the new PSC motors on it.

 

[peteski50]

HP AND GE DW PUMPS AND MOTORS!

Thank you John for the clearification. In comparison to both GE / Hotpoint - I perfered to load the Hotpoint lower rack because it didnt have that saucer rack arrangement with the attached tower. But I felt the GE upper rack was easier to load than the Hotpoint. I somehow felt the GE took taller glasses easier.

 

[peteski50]

First HP / GE combo dishwasher!

I just found this photo of the first in a series when the conversion was made over to the pump moter GE style. Anyone have others in the series to post?
Peter

 

[mad]

I don't need to be sold on the benefits! Surely there must be one of those built-ins hiding out there somewhere in the world waiting for a loving new home?

I don't mind if it sounds like a jet engine. (I admit I usually wash dishes by hand anyways...) It would make my kitchen perfect.

 

[tolivac]

When I bought my second house in Greenville it had one of the "old school" Hotpoints-yes it was like a B-52 reving for takeoff in the kitchen.Now I wished I had it today wash by hand now instead of getting one of those new school dishwashers that piddles on the dishes for 3 hrs.The old Hotpoint did the job in like 45min.Sadly it died.