Hotpoint Top Loader 1504

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Hi Alex,

In response to your question regarding the cycle on the 1504, you have the sequence right, although I always felt that the "Static" rinse is pretty pointless. I guess it is to semi release any crease's but apart from that not much more...it was kind of a step backwards from the 1500-1502 whereby they had two agitated rinse's one in warm and then one in cold, much more effective.
I am sure one will come your way soon, keep looking !!
Cheers
Keith
 
Gary

Im going to try my hardest to resist! But you know what it's like when a washer sits there and winks at you saying "please take me home"..lol

Mark
 
Filter Flo....?????

Hey Guys

For those that didnt know GE in the US and Hotpoint in the UK were at this point(and indeed were right up to the Merloni takeover) part of the same group. Technically this IS a Filter Flo (With the rather nice addition of a 3kw heater for those ultra white loads :).

Seamus
 
What a great machine--love seeing toploaders in the UK

Amazing how much the Hotpoint agitator resembles the Easy Spiralator; they're almost twins.

How grand to have a "kitchen" counter top on the washer. You guys love to wash in the kitchen--me too;-D

The Powders button is very funny and so perfectly British. Still not sure what it does, but I'll figure it out someday.
 
2 Saturdays ago was an exciting day!

Really glad that all the pent up excitement and fretting was duly rewarded by such a great machine Richard.

The first 1504 I have seen in 20 years, it was a delight to see one in the flesh again. Each morning, for about three years, I would pull open my curtains and glance down the side of the house opposite where Mr Right's old 1504 had been deposited.
In tip top visual condition, I had witnessed it briefly in action when it stood alongside a Burco TD6 drop down door dryer.

In the intervening years, I had forgotten just how smart looking the 1504's were/are.

To walk through your front door, last Saturday, and to see it sat at the bottom of the stairs was a real treat.

You didn't half do some cleaning of the underside of the lid didnt you! One of my pics will be a useful barometer of before and after condition.

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Hotpoint Timeline Machines

I am with Paul as regards how smart it is, I would even go as far as to say that these control panels (and of course the HP 1600 which I am always banging on about) were the most elegant of the time line control panels even surpassing, in my opinion, even the predecessor models (which are pretty good too) and certainly the successor models
Al
 
Bit of a freudian slip there Paul!!!

Indeed a poor use of english on my part. Strange how things appear to make sense up until just after you click the post button. Then all hell brakes loose. Ah well.

Good potential for comparison with your 9605 Mike.

Richaaaaarrrrrd! Whip the back of yours and lets have a gander. First major difference pictured below.

Paul

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Here we are Richard

The age of your machine!

Date coded '35', your machine rolled off the assembly line back in November 1972.

Wonder if it was a Christmas present or a January sales purchase?

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Great machine

This is the exact washer my Grandma used to have on her farm before she got her 9528 frontloader in 93/94 or so. It never broke down, and was passed on when she got rid of it as she only bought a frontloader so it was easier for her to get to her washing in her later years - certainly amazing bearing in mind it was in operation on a farm with plenty of dirty overalls etc.

In fact she used to lift me up to watch it when I was only small... one of my fondest memories I have of her.

Jon
 
Hi Guys thanks so much for the respons.

Keith your machine looks amazing. Can't wait to get mine up and running. I've only used the 9605 on regular bases which does two agitated rines so like you said I think the static rinse is abit pointless, we shall see.

Alex I've found the 9605 which I use quite alot to be great at washing and removing stains. On a regular load I use a full cup of powder usually Ariel bio or Sainsbury's bio and if it's really dirty two cups. I could stand for hours watching a top loader do it's stuff lol. If your ever near the Costa Del Bristol pop in for a coffee and do afew loads.

Mike It did come with the black drain hose in good contition, I swapped it for the one off my old miele dishwasher as it is not the most flexiable of materials. It does need abit of a wipe over.

Paul Thanks so much for adding the after pics.It was great to be able to share it with you and Rob. I've taken afew pics with the back of and found what looks like it's service history scrippled on the outertub.

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love the 80's styling

Except that it was late 1960s styling. I can see the Braun influence though, and indeed I can think of several other appliances (and TVs) which were influenced in a similar manner by Braun. Great as Rich's looks in isolation, just scroll back up to Keith's kitchen to see how well this 1960s design fits in a modern kitchen, indeed (and no offence intended Keith) I think it sits better than the modern dishwasher beside it.
Al
 
"If your ever near the Costa Del Bristol pop in for a c

Thanks for the offer, Rich...hope it's not too throwaway since I could make myself pretty mobile if the mood took me! Pack the suitcase and off to Paddington post haste...

Pleased to hear the machine does perform well - my only experience was of my Aunt's 9600 being contantly overloaded on programme 5; everything in together as well so it would be a novelty to see one being used properly! Admittedly I did see Rob and Paul's 96702 in action a year or so ago but a darks wash is no indicator of performance (and it would hardly have been good form to inspect another man's smalls for cleanliness, now would it!). I've pondered endlessly over how much detergent would be right, including trying to replicate conditions in a bucket with Ariel high suds during my high-volume laundry years (sad but true) but maybe 1-2 cups is the best approach...less is not more with these machines if their directions are to be beleived.

In principle I'd share the consensus that a static rinse has no discernable benefit. I've read before it was to help kill suds...if there's one thing that consistently makes me wonder it's the odd folk who dreamt up some of the old style programming on various machines...this is why I long for flexible programmes!

On a maintenance theme, I know the clutch is prone to wear on the top loader - my aunt's seemed to get through one yearly reading the service notes - what effect does it have: no spin? Constant revolution of wash bowl? All it says on the notes is "clutch replaced due to faulty spin".

Hmmm...can you tell I'm a bit obsessed?

Alex
 
Hi Al,
Yes the Ariston Dishwasher wasn't really in-keeping..although my partner insisted on one..Hopefully the new house i am in will be able to be a tad more retro-styled.
Cheers
Keith
 
Hey Rich - another fab machine!

Hi Rich and all on AW

What a fantastic machine – really good to see a 1504 once again, and in good nick for a machine that is as old as me!!

It might be worth pointing out a few things about this range – US members have spotted the GE Fliter-flo connection, but in fact GE (the US organisation) did not have an interest in Hotpoint when this machine was introduced. Hotpoint did import GE small appliances in the 1920s, but this was a short-lived venture. By the 30s, the UK Hotpoint company was part of AEI and the 1500 series Top Loader was introduced under AEI ownership. Elements of the design were probably licensed from GE and certainly it is very similar under-the-skirt, but this was never acknowledged as far as I know – not even when AEI sold the rights to Fisher and Paykel! Interestingly AEI were only able to use the Hotpoint brand for the UK market, using Gala for its considerable export market until the mid 1970s, for of course GE US had the rights to that brand elsewhere. A GE tie-in did re-emerge (known as GDA – General Domestic Appliances) shortly before the company was sold to Indesit.

The infamous static first rinse was a feature on machines from the 1502 to the 15790 (i.e. from 1968 to 1982), and it did serve a purpose! There are a few fundamental differences between the GE and AEI design – the AEI machines do not spin after the wash and nor do they spray-rinse (they also neutral drain and, of course, self-heat). In an era when most washing powders were ‘high-suds’, an agitated first rinse without a spin and spray rinse would just whip up more suds, so the first rinse aimed to kill suds with a cold soak followed by spin (rather like rinsing in a twin tub). It did work – in my 9605 (the very last model made, and of course designed for low-suds powder) the agitated first rinse whips up almost as much suds as the wash if high-suds powder is used.

Rich’s 1504 has the earlier four-pole motor (found from 1500 to 1504) which runs at half the speed of the later smaller ones (see Mike’s pic), but has twice the torque. The result is of course much, much quieter, stronger and smoother than the later models, and probably accounts for this machine still going strong today – Rich’s machine is incredibly quiet!

The clutch is a centrifugal slip-clutch under the motor, which serves two purposes – it can slip to allow the pump to run with the wash tub brake locked and once the brake is released, it also allows a slow build-up of the spin-speed as water is thrown from the clothes. In my experience, clutches would wear out after about five or six years in average use. As the clutch wears, the machine is less able to pull the tub into spin. A clutch burning every year would suggest extraordinarily heavy use, or a problem with the transmission. The pumps also tended to leak and require periodic replacement. The transmission locks the tub in wash mode (it shouldn’t rotate) and the power unit drives the Spiraclean Gryator (Hotpoint’s on and off term for an agitator), and the two way pump re-circulates through the filter-clean tray. For pump-out, the motor reverses, and the break is released to allow the tub to spin. A brilliant and clever design!

Rich your 1504 is fantastic - it is great that you have saved one of these, and it will go for years! Makes me think that if a 1502 ever appears, I'll HAVE to get it past him indoors!! See ya soon again...

D :-)
 
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