How does your washer handle Sudslocks?

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hooverkeymatic

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Hello!

Just wondering how your washer handles Sudslocks and do you think it is effective?

Our Hotpoint WML540G washed a large load the other day. It sudslcoked quite badly on the first spin. It went into emergency rinses (two low level rinses with slow tumbles and it re-attempts spin at the end of the second one). It sudslcoked again...and again! It ended up doing 6 emergency rinses. So in total, eight rinses! I think it only stopped sudslocking due to the fact that i added alot of fabric softner to the rinse whilst it was filling.

Personally, i think it could of either of spun through it after a few rinses, or stood still for a bit and tried again a few more times. The first time it sudslocked, it just stood there for about 3 minutes and went on to the emergency rinses. it had only sudslocked once on the burst and once on the main spin.

I think it may of over-reacted. I mean 6 more rinses? Seriously, what is the point?

Also, just thought that i would add that it doesnt usually add emergency rinses, this is the first time it has done. It sudslocks sometimes but don't most washers? Other than this, it is an absolutely fantastic machine and performs really well!

Anyway, enough of me rambling on, how about you?
 
Well.....

The crappy Hotpoint WD440 I had used to continue to spin when sudslocked until the suds flowed out of the dispenser draw. It did that a few times, much to my annoyance!!!
 
My CRAP Whirlpol AWO/D 3080 if senses a sudslock during the spin, simply halts operations for half an hour then resumes filling half to the glass with water and draining right away, so far it happened only twice
 
My Miele W3922WPS will keep slowing the spin down until it gets to 400rpm. If it cannot get above 400rpm it will stop, sit there for 5 minutes and then try again. Regardless of whether or not it spins again it will add an extra rinse and tell me to check the detergent when its done.

The extra rinse helps, but if the machine is whipping up suds there not going to go anywhere until the machine stops and takes a breather. I think it should just stop as soon as any suds appear and let them drain. Or at least try to!

David
 
It's interesting how between only 2 model years my Miele 2652 will keep spinning during a sudslock but will keep adjusting the speed to a point where it can clear without stopping the spin, whilst mum's 3922 will pause and drain and keep attempting to spin several times - and more times than most the 2652 will clear any excess suds quicker than the method on the more modern Miele's.

I'm sure the spin profile also has something to do with the situation... the Beko that came with the flat would often sudslock as it shot up through the speeds pretty quickly, yet with even the same dose of detergent the Miele with a more gentle run up to the spin never causes an issue - though it will alter the spin profile depending on load size and/or absorbency. The Beko did have quite an interesting routine in the event of a sudslock - which was usually after every main wash and first rinse spin - it would interrupt the spin, fill the sump with water to clear it, then drain and attempt to spin again. Quite an interesting routine. Again the Bosch we used to have never used to sudslock, but that was because it took about a minute to reach spin speed from distribution.

Of course, I never usually have trouble with sudslocking as I am careful with detergent dosing... except when it comes to Hoovermatics, less said about that Mike the better lol :-).

Jon
 
My Primus really does not suds lock. It will just continue to fill the drum with water and tumble the clothes in one direction until the water conditon is satisfied. The suds just by pass the dump valve through the drain pipe.
 
Candy -- result is great, but the way getting to that result

My Candy just does a longer spin with normal speed (400-800 depending on prog.), and then just on the rinse after that spin, there are NO suds.. don"t know how, but result is excellent!
Here is a video!

 
Our Electrolux from 2006... I don't really know because it practically never suds-locks. It does have s slight tendency to water-lock, though. It usually does its three tumbles, a spin burst, three more tumbles and then revs up rather quickly to full spin. It doesn't bother about water- or suds-lock during the burst but if it happens during the second ramp up, it'll stop draining and wait for the drum to stop before draining and spinning resumes. The next rinse will have more water.
 
My AEG OKO LAVAMAT 72640 just stops the spin and re distributes and then tries to spin again and if sudlocked then stops again and redistributes and tries to spin again. It seems like the machine just resets the spin sequence, starting from the beginning part of the spin everytime, taking forever.

I have to switch the machine off and then try to get the excess foam out. Its annoying. Sometimes the OVERDOSING light comes on but I have not ever noticed the machine carrying out an additional rinse cycle to compensate so not too sure about its so called Fuzzy Logic programming lol. The only advantage to when this happens, my machine features immediate door lock release.
 
Tesco Value washing powder

Hello Jon i didnt realise Mike had moved up to that brand now.....well he does like to splash the cash now and then :-)
 
Tesco Value

Surely not!

I much prefer the Easy range of detergents.

Made proudly in glorious Consett, co.Durham I do believe!

Gotta support my local businesses and all that ya know! ;)
 
V-Zug...

Well av never been soooo affronted in all my life!!!!...Mind you the Zug is that good it probably would say that...LOL..er still want you amp picking up...Lol

Jon, you are quite right the biggest cause of sudz lock I find is that the machine starts to spin with soapy water catching the drum... and the machines that go up to a fast spin and wobble tend to cause it more!!!

The Zug & Miele along with the tol Gorenje do the slow ramp up with excellent stability control and a fast flowing pump...this allows excess foam to be reduced considerably, in fact the Zug does a 2min interim spin which literally sucks the sudz out of the drum...then switches on the water valve as its coasting down so all the drum gets a sloshing of water...The Foam Detection allows extra rinses + spins until sudz are cleared.

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Calypso senses oversudsing by excess motor current during spin. It runs a rinse/suds-kill sequence, up to 3 times. Goes into pause mode with SL error if unable to clear the condition. I've noticed it run the suds routine on two occasions that I can recall ... the first time was when running a test cycle after finishing the refurbish/repairs on it, caused by a very small dose of Tide Coldwater Powder, LOL.

F&P has an oversuds fault code, but it goes into pause without running a recovery routine. Suggestion is either wait for the suds to dissipate, or reset for rinses as needed. I've never seen an oversuds fault happen in 11 years of using F&P machines. Not sure how it senses the condition, I assume by motor current, the water level sensor could also be involved.
 
Miele 2515

Michaels mum uses bodywash on face washers which seem to cause oversuds quite often on her machine.

It'll always spin without stopping at the maximum speed it thinks it can handle, but just keeps adding rinses and spins until the foam is gone. At worst I've counted 4 extra rinses for a total of 7.

Even with all of the extra rinses, I've still never seen the Oversuds light come on.

I'm yet to ever have an oversuds on my W2888
 
our Frigidaire gallery is really stupid- it will suds lock after the wash, especially on large heavy loads. it starts to go into the spin, sudslocks, shuts off the pump, then stops the drum, and proceeds normally with the rest of the cycle, regardless of suds level. full drum of suds? ok, so what? you only get 2 rinses! I have washed comforters, and had suds all the way to the top of the drum, and it still only gives the normal cycle- (wash, slow spin, rinse, rinse, optional extra rinse, fast final spin.)
 
What Dustin Said

Our Affinity is too stupid to even know what a suds-lock is.

Plus, the only way to get any suds to form is to add water manually. Otherwise the small amount of water that splashes up at the window looks like spit.
 
hotpoint 95622

Sudslock, one of the biggest headaches I have had to consider greatly when programming my project machine. One thing I found is the if the machine went into distribute from the start of the draining it was a huge problem on the first rinse, I over come this by tumble draining then distributing when the tub was complete empty, then a short sharp spin stop and allow to drain then repeat, with each rinse increase the time of the second spins.

If you can bare the tediousness of this video is shows the first rinse and the small sudslock.

 
I agree....

....with Logix.

Our Zanussi made Westinghouse follows the 3 tumble, spin routine, but you have to be quite heavy handed to make it suds lock at all....though it does tend to do it more with 'quick wash' engaged than a normal cycle. This is due to more water being let in without draining at the 32-34 'minutes remaining' mark which, along with standard agitation, tends to make more foam.
 
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