How Is Everyone Doing After The Storm?
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angus
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Can't disagree with the feeling that every normal seasonal weather event is way over dramatized. Even with school closings - when I was in elementary school in the late 60's no matter how much snow we had there was never a snow day. And in high school in the early - mid 1970's the only time our school closed was during the ice storm of 1974. Of course while in college, there was the blizzard of 1978...
Part of the issue New York city faces may be that it is an aging infrastructure so over time it takes less to tax and cause the system to break down. Just conjecturing... but I see that on the Metro North New Haven line that I take every day. Under ideal circumstances the trains and service are abominable so just add some extreme heat, snow or extreme cold and you have a system that cripples itself and comes to a grinding halt. Having been trapped for three hours on an over crowded, stuck train with no air conditioning on a 100 plus degree day one July, I can tell you it was pretty grim. No excuse for that!!
That said, everything in the media is overdramatized and so over the top today. It is almost like this is the only way the public can process any news or any entertainment for that matter at all.
Part of the issue New York city faces may be that it is an aging infrastructure so over time it takes less to tax and cause the system to break down. Just conjecturing... but I see that on the Metro North New Haven line that I take every day. Under ideal circumstances the trains and service are abominable so just add some extreme heat, snow or extreme cold and you have a system that cripples itself and comes to a grinding halt. Having been trapped for three hours on an over crowded, stuck train with no air conditioning on a 100 plus degree day one July, I can tell you it was pretty grim. No excuse for that!!
That said, everything in the media is overdramatized and so over the top today. It is almost like this is the only way the public can process any news or any entertainment for that matter at all.
Weather Channel does do that. Be prepared for winter storm Ion they are saying now. Ion? Weather Nation that I get on DirecTv is 24/7, not stupid reality shows I could watch on way too many other channels.
the media can not only whip governors into a panic, but also
Hopefully, this repeated crying wolf will wear thin on the public eventually. Declaring a state of emergency for an event has not taken place yet is disturbing and probably causes more problems then actually it solves. I think its all done intentionally to keep people constantly on edge.
The endless admonishments to "take it easy on the roads", "dress in layers", "stay indoors", etc. are highly irritating and insulting. Obviously, they think us far too stupid to make these judgements for ourselves.
Hopefully, this repeated crying wolf will wear thin on the public eventually. Declaring a state of emergency for an event has not taken place yet is disturbing and probably causes more problems then actually it solves. I think its all done intentionally to keep people constantly on edge.
The endless admonishments to "take it easy on the roads", "dress in layers", "stay indoors", etc. are highly irritating and insulting. Obviously, they think us far too stupid to make these judgements for ourselves.
warmsecondrinse
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I'm in St. Albans, in eastern Queens in NYC, out past the subways. We got about a foot. Honestly, I'm shocked that the schools were closed today. When I was a teacher in the '90's the schools would NEVER have closed for this kind of snowfall. Unfortunately, I now work on contract through an agency so none of us get paid if schools close due to weather.
I was outside late afternoon for about 2 hours snowblowing and shovelling. Don't know the temp but I did actually wear hat and gloves. I was fine so it couldn't've been that cold.
I agree with the guys above about both the media-fed hysteria and aging infrastructure. When I moved from Boston to NYC in the late '80's I was shocked at how little snow it took be labelled "major"..... and that hype was nothing compared what it is now. As for the subways, I don't recall experiencing (or even hearing about) snow affecting the underground trains...at all. Now it seems to take much less of any kind of weather to disrupt NYC's transit system. As an aside, I remember hearing/reading somewhere that train tracks are best kept clear by running trains on them. Therefore, express trains go local above ground. that makes sense, but what's up with this 'reduced service' due to the snow? And where are the plow-equipped trains/subway cars? I know Boston had them, at least for the Green Line (trolley).
I was outside late afternoon for about 2 hours snowblowing and shovelling. Don't know the temp but I did actually wear hat and gloves. I was fine so it couldn't've been that cold.
I agree with the guys above about both the media-fed hysteria and aging infrastructure. When I moved from Boston to NYC in the late '80's I was shocked at how little snow it took be labelled "major"..... and that hype was nothing compared what it is now. As for the subways, I don't recall experiencing (or even hearing about) snow affecting the underground trains...at all. Now it seems to take much less of any kind of weather to disrupt NYC's transit system. As an aside, I remember hearing/reading somewhere that train tracks are best kept clear by running trains on them. Therefore, express trains go local above ground. that makes sense, but what's up with this 'reduced service' due to the snow? And where are the plow-equipped trains/subway cars? I know Boston had them, at least for the Green Line (trolley).
whirlcool
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I think that this storm wasn't so bad because the snow was a dry type of snow, light and fluffy. If it had been that heavy "heart attack snow" things would have been much worse with power failures, etc.
I hate that too, the Weather Channel giving storms names like the NOAA does for Hurricanes.
I hate that too, the Weather Channel giving storms names like the NOAA does for Hurricanes.
arbilab
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Weather Channel didn't pull that nonsense until they got bought by NBC-Universal, changing them from a science service to an entertainment service wherewith everything is Creature from the Black Lagoon. Which Universal remade in 2012. Argh. They figured nobody would notice; they were almost right. Americans are SOOO gullible when it comes to media.
jerrod6
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Have to agree with NYC writer
The "weather people" here in Philadelphia are the same. Every one day rain fall is a storm. HUH?
As soon as a bit of snow or cold is forecast they go into a spasm...."Oh its going to be bitterly cold." A review of temperature history of Philadelphia shows that since the 1980's it been -7, -4, -3 -1, -6, -5 and so on , so being cold is nothing new.
6 inches of snow is nothing new either. I expect this much out of any decent snow fall or please don't bother snowing at all.
News would be something over the amount of snow we received in the 1990's and we should have learned that we could handle that.
And don't get me started about interviewing the transportation department.
As soon as there is a snow forecast the first thing the media does is talk to the state department of transportation and ask them to explain what they are ready to do. It would be news if they didn't remove the snow. It is no news when they report on the activities they are SUPPOSED to do....that's their job. The real news would occur if they DIDN'T put brine down and then salt and plow the roads. Why doesn't the news media interview the DOT after the snow and ask them why there were so many accidents on roads "treated" by them?
The "weather people" here in Philadelphia are the same. Every one day rain fall is a storm. HUH?
As soon as a bit of snow or cold is forecast they go into a spasm...."Oh its going to be bitterly cold." A review of temperature history of Philadelphia shows that since the 1980's it been -7, -4, -3 -1, -6, -5 and so on , so being cold is nothing new.
6 inches of snow is nothing new either. I expect this much out of any decent snow fall or please don't bother snowing at all.
News would be something over the amount of snow we received in the 1990's and we should have learned that we could handle that.
And don't get me started about interviewing the transportation department.
As soon as there is a snow forecast the first thing the media does is talk to the state department of transportation and ask them to explain what they are ready to do. It would be news if they didn't remove the snow. It is no news when they report on the activities they are SUPPOSED to do....that's their job. The real news would occur if they DIDN'T put brine down and then salt and plow the roads. Why doesn't the news media interview the DOT after the snow and ask them why there were so many accidents on roads "treated" by them?
jerrod6
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andyelectrolux
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Nice collection of blue glass.
People in the media is one thing.....THAT they allow themselves to be put on TV with all this hoopla and not say a thing to their bosses is another....just doing their job....its all about ratings!......the best part is the people FEED off of this stuff...any reason to create panic and drama into their life....if the media doesn't start it for them, they'll create their own!
maybe time for another thread to be started of people, and the stupid things they do during a storm....
first off would be how people drive, or correction, how they don't know how to drive during any kind of weather....and yet their issued a license....AND it doesn't even have to be snow, simple rain knocks what 1 brain cell they have left out their ass.....
I have too many people sliding off the road into my front yard......either they ride the brake at 5mph, or think they can double the speed limit thru a storm on bald tires....
maybe time for another thread to be started of people, and the stupid things they do during a storm....
first off would be how people drive, or correction, how they don't know how to drive during any kind of weather....and yet their issued a license....AND it doesn't even have to be snow, simple rain knocks what 1 brain cell they have left out their ass.....
I have too many people sliding off the road into my front yard......either they ride the brake at 5mph, or think they can double the speed limit thru a storm on bald tires....
I'll second that
You hit it right on the nose. Idiots that cant drive right in bad weather. They think anything with 4/all wheel drive is invincible in anything mother nature dishes out, even with bald tires. I dont know how many people I have pulled out of the ditch on the opposite side of my road.
You hit it right on the nose. Idiots that cant drive right in bad weather. They think anything with 4/all wheel drive is invincible in anything mother nature dishes out, even with bald tires. I dont know how many people I have pulled out of the ditch on the opposite side of my road.
whirlcool
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It's the salesman at the car dealers that are at fault. I have heard them say to customers time and time again "this 4 wheel drive will pull you our of ANYTHING!" or "on snow and ice you can still drive the speed limit because you now got FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!". And people believe it. And on autos/trucks with switchable 2 wheel and 4 wheel drive most don't even know how to turn it on!
Another fact the salesman never tells them, insuring a car/truck with 4 wheel drive is usually much more expensive than the 2 wheel version. Why? More parts and more to repair in an accident.
Another fact the salesman never tells them, insuring a car/truck with 4 wheel drive is usually much more expensive than the 2 wheel version. Why? More parts and more to repair in an accident.
twintubdexter
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I've never driven on anything more hazardous than wet pavement. "Hydroplaning" from excess speed and the occasional reported patch of black ice were the only hazards I remember. Now it's flying sand which is no biggie.
I saw photos of the snow and ice in the Midwest and East Coast...yikes! Now the weather people say something called a "polar vortex" is about to hit the same areas. Obviously it takes a strong, hearty individual to endure this kind of cold. It was 75 and sunny here today and I have both furnaces on...go figure.
The article I was reading also mentioned a few tips on driving in severe winter weather.
1. Do One Thing At A Time
The best way to avoid a crash on wintery roads? Always stay in control.
"When you're driving on a slippery surface, there's limited traction or grip available for you as a driver to use" Cox said. "You want to be 100 percent effective in each thing that you choose to do."
That means slowing down and driving one step at a time. On snowy roads, braking or accelerating while steering causes tires to split their gripping between two actions, making the tires less effective and causing a slide. While turning, roll into the turn without touching the gas or brake. Once the car straightens out of the turn, it's safe to accelerate.
2 Control The Skid
If you do begin to skid out of control, don't panic. There are two different types of skids drivers should look out for. The first is a warning sign of potentially worse spin outs.
"If you're driving down the road and feel a little giggle or slide, you're driving too fast for the conditions," Cox said. Simply ease off the gas or ease onto the brakes.
The second is the more serious skid that sends cars rocketing past the stop sign or intended turn. This scary occurrence is known as a front-wheel skid. If you're braking and steering (remember that you shouldn't be doing two things at once), take your foot off the brake and at the same time turn the steering wheel slightly into the skid. Though it feels counter-intuitive, this maneuver will allow the wheels on your car to start rolling more freely and allow
3 Be Aware Of Conditions
Speed in a snowstorm is based on a variety of factors. Your ability as a driver, how much traffic there is, what type of tires your car has, whether it's a high or low center of gravity vehicle, and whether it's day or night can all affect your speed. Driving too fast or slow is a hazard not only to yourself but to other drivers. Driving too fast can cause cars to skid out of control. Other drivers could take unnecessary risks to navigate around a driver who is creeping along.
Drivers overwhelmed by driving conditions might panic and make a serious mistake and should get off the road. Take an exit ramp or pull into a parking lot. If this isn't possible and you do end up on the side of the road, keep your seatbelt buckled as another driver may lose control and hit your car. Remember: If you can't see on the road, other drivers can't see either.
4 Prepare Your Car To Handle The Elements
When it comes to winter driving nothing is more important than visibility and tire grip. Fill up on the correct windshield wiper fluid best suited for ice and salt and replace windshield wipers as soon as they begin to leave streaks on the windshield.
"Bad windshield wipers? It's time to quit," Cox said.
Winter tires are a smart purchase for anyone who lives in or frequently travels to areas that see a lot of snow. Snow tires are specially made with beefy treads, but that isn't the only reason they're more effective than summer or year-round tires. They use a special rubber compound that stays flexible at colder temperatures. Summer or year-round tires stiffen in cold weather, causing them to lose their grip even without snow or ice on the road. The age and level of wear on tires is also an important factor.
"If you have all-season tires and they're brand new, they'll get you around just fine," Cox said. "But by the next winter they're half worn, you have to realize that those will now give you the performance of a summer tire on snow, which has no place on a snowy road."
I saw photos of the snow and ice in the Midwest and East Coast...yikes! Now the weather people say something called a "polar vortex" is about to hit the same areas. Obviously it takes a strong, hearty individual to endure this kind of cold. It was 75 and sunny here today and I have both furnaces on...go figure.
The article I was reading also mentioned a few tips on driving in severe winter weather.
1. Do One Thing At A Time
The best way to avoid a crash on wintery roads? Always stay in control.
"When you're driving on a slippery surface, there's limited traction or grip available for you as a driver to use" Cox said. "You want to be 100 percent effective in each thing that you choose to do."
That means slowing down and driving one step at a time. On snowy roads, braking or accelerating while steering causes tires to split their gripping between two actions, making the tires less effective and causing a slide. While turning, roll into the turn without touching the gas or brake. Once the car straightens out of the turn, it's safe to accelerate.
2 Control The Skid
If you do begin to skid out of control, don't panic. There are two different types of skids drivers should look out for. The first is a warning sign of potentially worse spin outs.
"If you're driving down the road and feel a little giggle or slide, you're driving too fast for the conditions," Cox said. Simply ease off the gas or ease onto the brakes.
The second is the more serious skid that sends cars rocketing past the stop sign or intended turn. This scary occurrence is known as a front-wheel skid. If you're braking and steering (remember that you shouldn't be doing two things at once), take your foot off the brake and at the same time turn the steering wheel slightly into the skid. Though it feels counter-intuitive, this maneuver will allow the wheels on your car to start rolling more freely and allow
3 Be Aware Of Conditions
Speed in a snowstorm is based on a variety of factors. Your ability as a driver, how much traffic there is, what type of tires your car has, whether it's a high or low center of gravity vehicle, and whether it's day or night can all affect your speed. Driving too fast or slow is a hazard not only to yourself but to other drivers. Driving too fast can cause cars to skid out of control. Other drivers could take unnecessary risks to navigate around a driver who is creeping along.
Drivers overwhelmed by driving conditions might panic and make a serious mistake and should get off the road. Take an exit ramp or pull into a parking lot. If this isn't possible and you do end up on the side of the road, keep your seatbelt buckled as another driver may lose control and hit your car. Remember: If you can't see on the road, other drivers can't see either.
4 Prepare Your Car To Handle The Elements
When it comes to winter driving nothing is more important than visibility and tire grip. Fill up on the correct windshield wiper fluid best suited for ice and salt and replace windshield wipers as soon as they begin to leave streaks on the windshield.
"Bad windshield wipers? It's time to quit," Cox said.
Winter tires are a smart purchase for anyone who lives in or frequently travels to areas that see a lot of snow. Snow tires are specially made with beefy treads, but that isn't the only reason they're more effective than summer or year-round tires. They use a special rubber compound that stays flexible at colder temperatures. Summer or year-round tires stiffen in cold weather, causing them to lose their grip even without snow or ice on the road. The age and level of wear on tires is also an important factor.
"If you have all-season tires and they're brand new, they'll get you around just fine," Cox said. "But by the next winter they're half worn, you have to realize that those will now give you the performance of a summer tire on snow, which has no place on a snowy road."
If they did not have to fill 24 hours a day with chatter, they would condense what they have to say to the most important information and be done with it. I can still remember when the evening news was 15 minutes followed by the Huntley-Brinkley Report that also lasted 15 minutes.
6 to 6:30 local news here is 17 minutes of car commercials and then 6:30 national news on all 3 networks is all call your doctor, ask your doctor commercials. You might get 30 minutes total of news if lucky. Huntly Brinkley report did it right up and to the point. Now it is fill it full of fluff crap and hope nobody notices.
whirlcool
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We are having a very strong artic cold front moving into SE Texas this morning. First they were saying we'll see temps down into the lower 20's, now they updated that to the mid teens. Today will have people scurrying around to get their pipes insulated, plants covered and bring the cats in the house.
We did all that a few years back so we now can sit this one out. No snow or ice predicted with the cold weather. Thank God for that new furnace in 2011.
We did all that a few years back so we now can sit this one out. No snow or ice predicted with the cold weather. Thank God for that new furnace in 2011.
arbilab
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20F is shirtsleeve in Frostbite Falls but down here houses are NOT built for that and people don't adapt too well overnight either. That little 12-hour dustup we had several weeks ago left us paralyzed for 3 days.
Know what stores most prominently ran out of? Frozen pizza. Next, dairy and produce. And a lot of fuel deliveries were interrupted. A quarter million without power but only for days, not weeks like in the nordic woodlands. But then y'all have generators that run on propane or natgas. Don't you?
The good news is, if your fridge quits, who cares?
Know what stores most prominently ran out of? Frozen pizza. Next, dairy and produce. And a lot of fuel deliveries were interrupted. A quarter million without power but only for days, not weeks like in the nordic woodlands. But then y'all have generators that run on propane or natgas. Don't you?
The good news is, if your fridge quits, who cares?
Not that much snow in our part of Manhattan, Just VERY Cold
Happily had off this week and didn't bother going outside after New Year's day.
Spending time indoors working on various projects around the house alternating between watching DVDs(Golden Girls) and the news.
Have been watching ABC Evening News to catch Gio Benitez's reports. Why ABC sends that tall Cuban drink of water out into the freezing mid-west locations I don't know. But am just that glad to see is dimples. *LOL*
Yes, I know; have to get out more! *LOL*
Happily had off this week and didn't bother going outside after New Year's day.
Spending time indoors working on various projects around the house alternating between watching DVDs(Golden Girls) and the news.
Have been watching ABC Evening News to catch Gio Benitez's reports. Why ABC sends that tall Cuban drink of water out into the freezing mid-west locations I don't know. But am just that glad to see is dimples. *LOL*
Yes, I know; have to get out more! *LOL*
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