How much would you be willing to pay for a Keymatic 3224/3226 door seal?

[hoover3224]

Hi all

Not sure if the interest is still there as I’ve not heard anymore from anyone.

I’m sorry for the delay in finding out the cost for a batch to be made.

I keep being given times to expect to hear back from them and it doesn’t happen.. I find it very frustrating when that happens. Rather annoyingly I have to keep chasing them up.
I’m now told a price will be decided this week.

As soon as I know what the outcome is I’ll post it on here.

Thanks
Cameron

 

[chestermikeuk]

Keymatic Boots

Hi Cam

The interest is here but until a price comes back and we can work out costs and divisions its a muted thread lol.

Looking forward to the estimate costs etc and then we can work out how best to proceed !!

 

[slowspin66]

Count me in as well

Cam keep us posted with the progress .

 

[hoover3224]

Hi

Well unfortunately I’d say it’s bad news, the quote is ridiculously high... £10,000 plus, and that’s just for the tooling quotation and not including production

I’d assume that’s really out of anyone’s price range, I guess I’ll have to shop around further.

Sorry guys!

Cam

 

[chestermikeuk]

Keymatic Boots...

Morning Cam

Thanks for the reply, more than the £3k Chris was quoted, the £6k I was quoted and now this...more work to be done me thinks.

Perhaps pursue the Qualtex link further ??

Many Thanks for your efforts !!

 

[hoover3224]

Hi Mike

I definitely thought they were over pricing it a lot.

As I’m sure you guys are doing already I’ll enquire elsewhere. I did wonder if maybe it would be cheaper to have them made in China?

I have emailed Qualtex but had no reply as yet, will see what happens.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, I’ll keep trying!

Are the prices yourself and Chris we’re both quoted for several of them or just one offs?

Best wishes
Cameron

 

[slowspin66]

Keep the faith

Cam about a year ago I was looking for a replacement pump valve for a Bendix LT . I searched high and low to see if I could get one and approached a chap to make me one . It was cost prohibitive£130 ish from what I remember then by chance I looked and found something in China for a couple Of quid and free postage !!!!!! They said it would take two years for delivery !!! In fact it arrived in about 2 weeks and was a brilliant match !!There will away around it there always has to be . Best wishes Darren

 

[keymatic3203]

thanks Cameron

for the work and effort you've put into this. All the best with what looks like a meticulous restoration. Keep posting your progress.

Mathew

 

[hoover3224]

Hey Mathew and Darren

Thanks for your messages!

I’ll definitely keep looking around at different rubber manufactures, I’ve enquired with a few in China too.
It seems the most expensive part is making the actual mould itself and not the door boots. I just find it really sad that a large number of these machines are out of action primarily just because they can’t have water in them.

My machine has been pretty much totally stripped, was so many minor faults that if ignored could totally kill the machine, I’ve got loads of pics to show you guys on here how I’m getting on so far if you’re interested?

I’ll keep enquiring about door boots for you all, hope we can get somewhere with it.

Thanks again
Cameron

 

[ricky5050]

Please post pics

Hi Cameron we’d love to see any pictures.

How did your bearing change go ?

Richard

 

[lowefficiency]

>> Well unfortunately I’d say it’s bad news, the quote is ridiculously high... £10,000 plus, and that’s just for the tooling quotation and not including production

I know that's not the number you were hoping for, but I can see how it could cost that much.

To reproduce that part, someone has to spend time taking the measurements and creating a 3D model, then design a multi-part mold that could work with their injection machines, create the part, and allow it to be released. Then that mold has to be created, which for production shops would mean programming and CNC milling of multiple large blocks of aluminum, with some post processing and fixturing as well. Perhaps also a QC check and some trial runs at producing parts. So you're paying for time and materials, across several specialities.

How big is this seal? (approximate diameter when laying flat)
It could be that the size drives up the cost as well.

 

[hoover3224]

Here’s some pics to have a nosy at.

The wiring was in a right old state, literally was a total deathtrap!
Heat shrink has become my best friend!

Sorry there’s no particular order!

Cameron

 

[slowspin66]

Brilliant work

What a labour of love this machine has been. Is it the first one you’ve done as you seem to have made brilliant progress quickly What’s left to do apart from the rebuilding ? Looks very complicated .....??
Where are you with the door boots ???
Keep us all posted with your endeavours best wishes Darren

 

[chestermikeuk]

Keymatic

Great work Cameron, a most complicated machine, even down to the springs n rollers engagement. Heatshrink seems to be the order of the day at the moment ha ha..We found these three things have been our best mates in retoring these washers ha ha...

All The Best for the restoration !!

 

[hoover3224]

Hey Mike

I must try that ‘Sticks like Sh*T’ seen it before but never got round to getting any.
I have used JB Weld to stick the springy seal that goes around the bearing housing for that mates with the drum seal.

Sorry to be a pain but I don’t suppose you have a rough idea of the dimensions of the door boot? I’ve been in contact with a company in China who say they can do it but would like to know the over all size.
Sadly I can’t give them the dimensions as I’ve yet to receive the boot that Chris (Gizmo) sent me back from walkers rubber. When dismantling it I noticed the wedges pressure pads and grub screws are missing altogether, and they’ll stay that way, it seemed happy enough without them anyways lol

Best wishes
Cameron

 

[hoover3224]

Hi Darren

Yep, my first ever go with a Keymatic, never even seen one before getting this.
It’s a beautiful beast but so over engineered, everything is so mechanical. I just love taking things apart and learning how they work, this has been really fun to work on but also very stressful, found myself
swearing at it numerous times

As mentioned to mike in the above message, I’m in touch with a company in China, who I believe actually makes boots for newer machines so hopefully they can advise. I’m thinking it’ll be much cheaper being designed and made in China. Far too expensive for them to be made in the UK it seems!

I’ll just live and hope something comes of it all.

Thanks
Cam

 

[slowspin66]

Keep us all posted

Your doing a great job there . It looks so complicated . Im hoping you progress the door boots . Keep posting the pictures it’s a really good thread . Darren

 

[lorainfurniture]

Reproductions

I just had some vintage stove knobs reproduced a while ago. It was crazy expensive. You would have to charge like $500 each to make it work. You might sell 10-20 in your lifetime.

 

[hoover3224]

Hi guys

Finally got a new update from China regarding the door boots.

Been in constant discussions with them and the decided prices is £3000 to have a professional drawing done, mould made and of course production itself. That took some negotiating, believe me it was going to be considerably more. This would work out about £200 each (probably too high I guess)

Additionally there is a cost of £35 per individual boot, however I’m willing to cover this for up to 15 of them.

Not sure if this is still too much for you guys to contemplate? I’m personally happy enough, desperate to get my baby watertight!

That’s the latest anyways.

Best wishes
Cameron

 

[chestermikeuk]

boots

Can you send us the individual specsheet by Email for dimensions etc and confirm what type of material and colour etc and will have a discuss !!

Thanks for keeping the ball rolling, wasnt sure with not hearing from you, !!

Cheeers, Mike