Huebsch ZFN50R Arrived Today!!!!

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qualin

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Hello everyone.

My Huebsch ZFN50R finally arrived today. The final price for it was $1896 (In Canadian Dollars) including shipping, delivery and installation. I ordered it on September 26, but the wait was worth it. This is considered to be a "Non-Core" item because of the rear control panel, most people want the front one.

Since Huebschman wanted a bunch of pictures, I'll include them into this thread.

I have thought about modifying it with a higher water level, but it seems to get my clothing washed just fine the way it's already set up. Don't fix it if it isn't broken, right?

First, I'll start with a head on shot of the washer itself...

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Second Washer Pic

Here it is next to my GE Dryer, which will eventually be replaced with the matching Huebsch dryer, which I believe is the ZDE4BR. Notice how much wider the dryer is as opposed to the washer...

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Control Panel Shot!

Here's a nice closeup picture of the control panel. It's fairly simple in comparison to other washers. In all honesty, not much to look at. I personally I'm not all that hot on the design of the knobs, but they do look tough and durable.

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Close up of the front

Here's a nice close up of the front. Don't worry, the condensation on the glass is from the washer being outside. The rim of the door is plastic, but the glass is nice and thick, no plastic there!

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Closeup of the tub

Check out the number of holes, but more to the point, the completely integrated metal paddles in the tub! This is what my hard earned dollars paid for. No plastic parts to hold bacteria, mildew or mold here! As odd as this sounds, I kind of like the "Styling" of the rear of the tub, it looks very industrial.

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Maiden wash!!

OK, Here was the real test. The specifications said that the tub has a 3.3 cu.ft volume, which isn't as large as some of the other washers on the market.

The picture here shows my double-sized comforter crammed into the tub. I did have to put a little bit of effort to get it into the machine, but it did fit.. but just barely.

I'm sure some of you will say, "That's not going to get cleaned, you've overloaded the machine!" ... Perhaps.. But compared to my GE, it's better.

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... and with the door closed.

Here's the same comforter with the door closed. I had to hold the door closed to get the machine to start, otherwise the door light would flash. They really do build these things tough.

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Hot water!

Here's some water vapor coming out of the soap dispenser. I washed the comforter on the hot setting. My water heater keeps the hot water at about 80 C. I thought it was kind of neat to watch.

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Some french labelling...

I took the time to add the optional french detergent warning label on the machine. Here's what it looks like...

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Energuide label

For other Canadians who want to purchase this machine, or for you Americans who have never seen a Canadian Energuide label, here you go...

Oh, I'd like to see the washing machine which consumes 478 kWh of energy as well as the one which consumes 77 kWh of energy.

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Inital review

Well, I've done about six loads of laundry in this washer today. So, I thought I'd at least give an informal review of my experiences so far.

- This washer is incredibly easy to use. There's absolutely nothing to the controls. Simply set the water temperatures you want, whether or not you want an extra rinse, set the cycle and press start. Done. Couldn't be any easier. What did surprise me was the warm/warm wash/rinse selection, which you really don't see much of anymore on modern machines.

- I noticed that this machine produces a noticeable hum, even when the cycle selector is set to Off. This could just be a transformer or something. It's not a big deal, but I do wonder if it'll get noisier over time. Every other machine I've had in the past has been completely quiet otherwise when it's off.

- It's incredibly quiet when it's washing, it's even quieter than my GE toploader. Even on the rinse cycle with the sloshing, it's quieter, instead of the "Chug Chug Chug" noises of the GE. The spin cycle isn't as loud as I thought it would be, considering my past experiences with late 60's era White-Westinghouse front loaders at the laundromat. I was half expecting loud motor noises, but not quite.

- The washer is very reluctant go to into a 1000 RPM spin unless the load is perfectly balanced. Most of my loads resulted in a 650 RPM final spin. Despite that, the clothes came out moist, but not dripping wet. I also found that after washing some sheets, the washer became unbalanced and started walking across the floor during the final spin. Fortunately, Alliance was nice enough to include two rubber feet to put over the metal feet for "Slippery" floors. After I lifted up the washer and put on the rubber feet over the metal ones, the washer hasn't moved since. I can't blame them for this, it sits on a concrete floor after all.

- I do wish it did wash with more water, but the comforter which I washed earlier was completely wet after the final spin, which is a good sign. When I was younger, I used to stuff double loaders so hard that the clothes in the middle were dry even after the final spin. I learned my lesson there. :)

- I like how the instruction manuals tell you that you can wash with regular detergent, just don't use as much. Other washers I've seen explicitly say that you can ONLY use HE detergent, anything else voids warranties. (WTF?) I have to use up the rest of the Kirkland and Tide detergent we have. HE detergents are usually more expensive around here than the regular stuff.

- The one thing I have noticed that bothers me is how the door taps against the cabinet during the spin cycle. If I press on the plastic, the tapping stops. Everything looks aligned, so maybe this is normal.

- A small part of me wishes this machine had an LED drum light or something. Then again, that wouldn't make it "commercial" anymore.

- I like the textured feel of the control panel. It's a little unusual in comparison to the straight flat printed control panels on my TOL GE's. I'm not sure why they did that, but it looks nice.

So, those are my observations so far. If any of you want extreme close up pictures of the control panel, let me know. I thought I'd stop here for now.

I'm very happy to share this with you all, even though in a lot of ways, this is just a "Plain Jane" machine. My GE's are much more interesting to look at.
 
Door Knocking

I had the door knocking when my machine was new as well. After a couple of months, it lessened to the point I don't really notice it at all.

Simple = Better!

Malcolm
 
unbalanced and started walking across the floor during the f

What on earth?

 

Is the machine perfectly level? Check it with a spirit level......and, silly as this sounds, are all the transport bolts out?

 

As for the rubber feet stopping it moving, be prepared to replace them on a regular basis as if the washer continues to 'want to move', they'll wear out fairly quickly.....
 
Reply to Ronhic

I do know that the floor is a little uneven. Yes, the transport bracket and bolts have been removed as well as the shock sleeves. (If that's what they're called) I made sure to ask for them when they finished installing the machine. This machine doesn't have any VRT (Vibration Reduction Technology) so this is somewhat expected.

I should take a level and see if the machine is balanced. The installers didn't use a level at all when they put the machine in, which surprised me. Then again, they told me that they install 25-35 machines a day when I asked them, so I wasn't about to question them about leveling it.

In the pictures, you can see it is a little off, but that's easily remedied.

If the rubber feet wear out, it will be easy to get inexpensive replacements. If it's something which I'll have to replace on a regular basis, I'll have to find a different solution. I would suspect though that one of the feet would wear out faster than the other one.

Re-Reading this post, my thoughts sound like something out of an elementary-grade picture book. Wow. Believe me, I don't talk like that at all in real life!
 
@ Qualin

Hope you enjoy your new machine for along time it does have a great name for dependability.
When you said you ordered this washer do you know of where the dealer had to get it from in Canada. I know there is a dealer in New Brunswick for the maritimes so I'm wondering if these machines are manufactured in central Canada and shipped through out the country to their dealers.I ask this since there is a bi-lingual control panel.Last time I saw one of those it was on our kenmore.

Tks
 
Congrats...I always liked the rear controls--what a great way to replace a TL and keep the existing dryer - instead of "forcing" a dryer upgrade as well. I love me some Speed Queen/Huebsch.
 
Leveling A Front Loader

A trick our Miele serviceman told us was to put all feet at their lowest point, then start the machine spinning. Then begin to raise each foot as required to the point where the machine stops moving about and is steady.

Reason for this was told that some flooring is not always totally even and despite using a level and obtaining side to side and front to back perfect readings the washer is still off. Tried the thing and it worked. This was after days of pulling one's hair out releveling again and again to get the Miele from shaking.

As for detergent: If you have non-HE detergent you want to use up go ahead, but if buying new I'd stick to "HE" or at least detergents that do not create much froth and or are easily rinsed.

The difference between using something like non HE "Tide" versus "Persil" is night and day. With the latter rinses are almost always clean by the second or third cycle. The former can sometimes still have problems after the fourth. However then again my Miele only spins after the third rinse in "normal" so maybe that has something to do with it.

Oddly enough when using vintage detergents such as the box of "Gain" in my stash the wash water is clear and the rinses are as with Persil or any of the other European detergents in my stash. Am guessing that the older Gain formula has phosphates instead of being laden with Zeolites, washing soda/soda ash and other fillers.
 
The trick is....

 

If the machine is not level left-front to right-rear and right-front to left-rear, then no amount of left side level or right side level adjustment will fix it. It is the vibration caused by the opposite corners being out of level that will make the machine move.
 

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