I am SO MAD at GE!!!

[neptunebob]

Hi all, as you know I like Dennis Kucinich. I was very disappointed when I found out that NBC Uninvited him (talk about bad etiquette) to the latest Presidential debate. NBC is owned by the General Electric Company and now I am really mad at them From now on, I will never buy GE light bulbs, silicone sealer, and especially do not like their appliances. So if anyone here needs a new range, refrigerator, or laundry applianes please choose Whirlpool or Frigidaire. This doesn't apply to vintage appliances though, as they were bought long before. Thanks, Bob

P.S. I'm sure Hillary, Obama, and John like GE, but I have to wonder, do any of them even know how to turn on a washing machine?

 

[perc-o-prince]

BTW- I took the survey (on his website) to see who was most in-line, or least out-of-line as it were, with what I'm looking for in a president, and he didn't win. At least it appears to be an unbiased survey!

Chuck

 

[~sudsshane]

Hi Bob~

I appreciate your zealous support of Kucinich, but I just don't see him as an electable candidate nationally for the Dems. I think his intentions are good, but some of the things that come out of his mouth sound downright nuts. I can't see that appealing to moderates and independents which the Democrats will need to win the next election. The fact is we still live in a dangerous world with the threat of terrorism on a daily basis. I am not prepared to vote for any candidate that hasn't been tested or doesn't have strong foreign policy experience. Bush was selected and put into the White House in 2000 with very little foreign policy experience and look what that got us! We, as a nation, cannot afford another President that has his head up his ass.
I am standing with Hillary Clinton. I think she and Bill are best prepared to restore our nation's image worldwide.
As for Barack, I like him alot but he is clearly not ready for the job. The Republican attack machine will chew him up and spit him out. Hillary is a fighter and also a proven winner.

 

[oxydolfan1]

Neo, for what it's worth. I agree with you that excluding Dennis or ANY candidate from the debates is just plain wrong and, IMHO, un-American!

And you know from my past postings that I've always held Dennis in the highest regard. I am, by far, in essential agreement with his positions than those of any other candidate.

But this is all part and parcel of how our one-party system, which masquerades as a two-party system, works in tandem with the media to select our candidates FOR us.

All I've heard for THREE WEEKS now is the endless back-biting between Obama and Clinton, and much of it is manufactured drama
(there was nothing racist about what either Hillary or Bill ever said during THAT little episode in silliness, and I didn't see ONE TEAR during Hillary's "emotional breakdown" in NH.

I'd never vote for Hillary, and I won't vote for Obama either.

I can only pray that Edwards will let the other two rip each other to shreds, long enough not to say anything completely nonsensical, because I LIKE a lot about him, and would like to be able to choose between him and Dr. Paul.

Dennis may be disenfranchised, and he may be the only one besides Rep. Wexler who is fighting for impeachment hearings for us, but he has made TERRIBLE strategic errors in his campaign.

The statement he made about illegal aliens being "just like you and me, just like us" was probably the stupidest and ill-timed outburst he could have made in that debate. In one felswoop, he antagonized his base that disagreed with his position, and annoyed those who believed he was in the right but instantly recognized his arrogant, self-righteous, temperamental, contemptuous approach was completely unpresidential and would never play to both sides of the aisle.

Being unnecessarily vortexed by a crafty questioner into saying ANYTHING about UFOs was similarly foolish (most Americans have no clue of his connection to Shirley McLaine, and it would have been far wiser if the entire issue, which has nothing to do with what we are voting anyway, would never have come up.)

He went BALLISTIC on Thom Hartmann over Thom's use of the word "riff" as a figure of speech, and at that point, I knew he was completely finished, because Thom Hartmann is probably the closest thing Kucinich was ever going to face as a "friendly journalist" and has immense influence over the liberal establishment as well as the left blogosphere.

Also, he never really got his act together aesthethically.
His wife certainly could have helped him, and innovative suit fabrics and space-age polymers are readily available. In a world of illusion where even a cadaver like Fred Thompson can be painted up and trotted out onstage, and the feckless Chris Matthews can coo over him like the second coming of Adonis, Dennis should have been able to pull him self up and put on some sort of better show, sartorially.

NBC is owned by GE and GE is a major defense contractor and there is no way they are not going to give any antiwar candidate short shrift.

And all of our media networks, newspapers, and radio outlets are essentially controlled by four huge multinational corporations, which is the reason I believe the debates should be held on public television only.

But, in terms of Kucinich's exclusion from the debates, I fully
agree. We need more political parties, and better political choices, not just change for change's sake.

If I'm not mistaken, you can go to Randi Rhodes' message board,
and they have at least one petition going, if you think that will help.

Hang in there!

 

[neptunebob]

Oxydol, you are right, Dennis needs a new look and fast. Still I think he should have been in the debate and probably would be if NBC was a stand alone corporation of just NBC. Did you know that back in the 50s he wore a same pair of turquiose pants to school that other students teased him about? One the nuns finally gave him some better clothes to wear, so yes, I do think he is fashion challenged. But it seems like all of the candidates are fashion challenged (and that includes Hillary). It is believe that GE is upset about Dennis not being for nuclear power stations that GE builds too. I wonder what range Elizabeth cooks on now.

 

[~sudsshane]

Hi Scotty & Bob~

Well, unless something unbelievable will happen, Clinton or Obama will be the Democratic nominee. Who will you then vote for? Will you vote? I hope whomever the nominee is, the Democratic Party will unite behind the nominee. It is crucial a Democrat be elected President in November.

Justice John Stevens, a Ford Appointee, is 87 years old and the most likely to retire. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg, a Clinton appointee, is 74 and has already survived a bout with cancer. These are 2 of the most liberal justices on the Supreme Court. It is very likely the next President will have 2 court vacancies to fill. Are you willing to trust those vacancies with a Republican President? I am not, unless it is maybe John McCain.

 

[oxydolfan1]

I'd have to answer that question at least partially with this...

"In an address to a group of state GOP executive directors at the Republican National Committee’s (RNC) winter meeting, Rove outlined talking points for ways to defeat leading Democratic candidates Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Barack Obama (Ill.). The former adviser to the president did not mention former Sen. John Edwards (N.C.)."

I haven't made up my mind yet (and I heartily advise anyone who has not yet voted in their state's primary yet, to participate in any telephone polls, unless it is to tell them you are undecided, and will take them all into consideration), but at this point I am leaning toward voting either for Edwards or Dr. Paul in the primary.

If either Clinton or Obama are the Democratic Party's nominee, I'll either write in Dr. Paul, or I'll abstain entirely, on antiwar/religious grounds.

In regards to the Supreme Court, I believe undesirable appointees have already been selected for Mrs. Clinton and I believe she will go along with whatever program has been set for her anyway.

As you can see, Shane, I have been very, very disappointed with the actions of the Democratic Party as of late and was never really enamored with the DLC faction, at any rate.

I cannot, in good conscience, continue to support them, as long as they continue to oppose my best interests, and what I believe to be the interests of the nation at large.

I hate the neocons but I don't see these Democrats as being any sort of an acceptable alternative to them anymore.

 

[mulls]

I agree with NeptuneBob

Hello friends,
I am a Libertarian,and as such am about as far away from most of you politically as it is possible to be.That having been said,I agree 100 percent with NeptuneBob about this issue.Kucinich is the candidate I would want the least to be elected,according to HIS survey.To me he is a Socialist.BUT,he has every right to be a part of these debates.I also feel that he truly believes in what he says and is totally sincere.For that I admire him very much.
Tom

 

[toggleswitch]

"No good shall come of this Miss Scarlet"

I'm thinking this thread is gonna burn some @$$es, and reveal others.

 

[oxydolfan1]

I apologize in advance to anyone I have offended!

 

[toggleswitch]

oooh sorry if that came out wrong. I was not singling anyone out, nor calling names. That is a no-no.

Just thinking it was nice to have a peaceful site for a while!
As the little blue vitamin "V" pill said to the body, "Let's keep it up!"

 

[perc-o-prince]

or I'll abstain entirely, on antiwar/religious grounds.

Sorry if I offend, but if you don't vote, you have NO right to bitch afterwards. Period (unless you're not a US citizen, of course). Since Bill, I've had to vote for the lesser of two evils each time, but I did vote. I still don't agree with some of the things my candidate is "for," but so far, I will vote for that candidate as the least undesirable one.

IMHO: If only we could have a candidate that would get us out of Iraq, lock up the borders, throw out anyone illegal (what, exactly, does anyone not understand about the word "illegal?"), and allow loving people to commit LEGALLY to each other, I could vote without feeling like I was just settling.

Constructive criticism only please!

Chuck

 

[toggleswitch]

I vote for you Chick, er Chuck. Get busy.

 

[~sudsshane]

Hi Chuck~

well said..

 

[oxydolfan1]

"Sorry if I offend, but if you don't vote, you have NO right to bitch afterwards."

That's what I've always said, and that's what I've always heard, so that's what I've always done.

"Now, my thinking is, if I do what we've always done, I'll get what we've always gotten! *laughs maniacally*

"I still don't agree with some of the things my candidate is "for," but so far, I will vote for that candidate as the least undesirable one."

I hear you and feel you powerfully, but the problem is I've had that experience over and over again, and I KNOW that, if I vote for the "lesser evil" this time around, I'm going to wake up and feel like a whore (and there ain't gonna be no Benjamins on my bedstand, if you get my drift...)

"IMHO: If only we could have a candidate that would get us out of Iraq, lock up the borders, throw out anyone illegal (what, exactly, does anyone not understand about the word "illegal?"), and allow loving people to commit LEGALLY to each other, I could vote without feeling like I was just settling...."

Chuck, if you feel the same way in November and you send me your last name, I might just write in YOUR name on the ballot, instead of Dr. Paul's!

I just can't live with the guilt, the feeling of having to have contributed to this train wreck in any way.

 

[mulls]

Toggle for President

If we made our selection based on a sense of humor,Toggleswitch would get my vote!
Tom

 

[toggleswitch]

We already have a clown in office!

Get over it; he's a jerk!

 

[toggleswitch]

FEH! President big deal.

http://www.logoi.com/pastimages/queen.html

 

[neptunebob]

Meanwhile, with all this, I have to ask, do any of you plan to not buy any GE appliances or other products over this? My sister wants me to come out to her house tomorrow to look at her 30 year old GE range where the bake element will not come on. If it needs more than a new element she might want a new range and I told her no GE. Does anyone here think GE is Generally Evil?