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Hi all, as you know I like Dennis Kucinich. I was very disappointed when I found out that NBC Uninvited him (talk about bad etiquette) to the latest Presidential debate. NBC is owned by the General Electric Company and now I am really mad at them :mad: From now on, I will never buy GE light bulbs, silicone sealer, and especially do not like their appliances. So if anyone here needs a new range, refrigerator, or laundry applianes please choose Whirlpool or Frigidaire. This doesn't apply to vintage appliances though, as they were bought long before. Thanks, Bob

P.S. I'm sure Hillary, Obama, and John like GE, but I have to wonder, do any of them even know how to turn on a washing machine?
 
BTW- I took the survey (on his website) to see who was most in-line, or least out-of-line as it were, with what I'm looking for in a president, and he didn't win. At least it appears to be an unbiased survey!

Chuck
 
Hi Bob~

I appreciate your zealous support of Kucinich, but I just don't see him as an electable candidate nationally for the Dems. I think his intentions are good, but some of the things that come out of his mouth sound downright nuts. I can't see that appealing to moderates and independents which the Democrats will need to win the next election. The fact is we still live in a dangerous world with the threat of terrorism on a daily basis. I am not prepared to vote for any candidate that hasn't been tested or doesn't have strong foreign policy experience. Bush was selected and put into the White House in 2000 with very little foreign policy experience and look what that got us! We, as a nation, cannot afford another President that has his head up his ass.
I am standing with Hillary Clinton. I think she and Bill are best prepared to restore our nation's image worldwide.
As for Barack, I like him alot but he is clearly not ready for the job. The Republican attack machine will chew him up and spit him out. Hillary is a fighter and also a proven winner.
 
Neo, for what it's worth. I agree with you that excluding Dennis or ANY candidate from the debates is just plain wrong and, IMHO, un-American!

And you know from my past postings that I've always held Dennis in the highest regard. I am, by far, in essential agreement with his positions than those of any other candidate.

But this is all part and parcel of how our one-party system, which masquerades as a two-party system, works in tandem with the media to select our candidates FOR us.

All I've heard for THREE WEEKS now is the endless back-biting between Obama and Clinton, and much of it is manufactured drama
(there was nothing racist about what either Hillary or Bill ever said during THAT little episode in silliness, and I didn't see ONE TEAR during Hillary's "emotional breakdown" in NH.

I'd never vote for Hillary, and I won't vote for Obama either.

I can only pray that Edwards will let the other two rip each other to shreds, long enough not to say anything completely nonsensical, because I LIKE a lot about him, and would like to be able to choose between him and Dr. Paul.

Dennis may be disenfranchised, and he may be the only one besides Rep. Wexler who is fighting for impeachment hearings for us, but he has made TERRIBLE strategic errors in his campaign.

The statement he made about illegal aliens being "just like you and me, just like us" was probably the stupidest and ill-timed outburst he could have made in that debate. In one felswoop, he antagonized his base that disagreed with his position, and annoyed those who believed he was in the right but instantly recognized his arrogant, self-righteous, temperamental, contemptuous approach was completely unpresidential and would never play to both sides of the aisle.

Being unnecessarily vortexed by a crafty questioner into saying ANYTHING about UFOs was similarly foolish (most Americans have no clue of his connection to Shirley McLaine, and it would have been far wiser if the entire issue, which has nothing to do with what we are voting anyway, would never have come up.)

He went BALLISTIC on Thom Hartmann over Thom's use of the word "riff" as a figure of speech, and at that point, I knew he was completely finished, because Thom Hartmann is probably the closest thing Kucinich was ever going to face as a "friendly journalist" and has immense influence over the liberal establishment as well as the left blogosphere.

Also, he never really got his act together aesthethically.
His wife certainly could have helped him, and innovative suit fabrics and space-age polymers are readily available. In a world of illusion where even a cadaver like Fred Thompson can be painted up and trotted out onstage, and the feckless Chris Matthews can coo over him like the second coming of Adonis, Dennis should have been able to pull him self up and put on some sort of better show, sartorially.

NBC is owned by GE and GE is a major defense contractor and there is no way they are not going to give any antiwar candidate short shrift.

And all of our media networks, newspapers, and radio outlets are essentially controlled by four huge multinational corporations, which is the reason I believe the debates should be held on public television only.

But, in terms of Kucinich's exclusion from the debates, I fully
agree. We need more political parties, and better political choices, not just change for change's sake.

If I'm not mistaken, you can go to Randi Rhodes' message board,
and they have at least one petition going, if you think that will help.

Hang in there!
 
Oxydol, you are right, Dennis needs a new look and fast. Still I think he should have been in the debate and probably would be if NBC was a stand alone corporation of just NBC. Did you know that back in the 50s he wore a same pair of turquiose pants to school that other students teased him about? One the nuns finally gave him some better clothes to wear, so yes, I do think he is fashion challenged. But it seems like all of the candidates are fashion challenged (and that includes Hillary). It is believe that GE is upset about Dennis not being for nuclear power stations that GE builds too. I wonder what range Elizabeth cooks on now.
 
Hi Scotty & Bob~

Well, unless something unbelievable will happen, Clinton or Obama will be the Democratic nominee. Who will you then vote for? Will you vote? I hope whomever the nominee is, the Democratic Party will unite behind the nominee. It is crucial a Democrat be elected President in November.

Justice John Stevens, a Ford Appointee, is 87 years old and the most likely to retire. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg, a Clinton appointee, is 74 and has already survived a bout with cancer. These are 2 of the most liberal justices on the Supreme Court. It is very likely the next President will have 2 court vacancies to fill. Are you willing to trust those vacancies with a Republican President? I am not, unless it is maybe John McCain.
 
I'd have to answer that question at least partially with this...

"In an address to a group of state GOP executive directors at the Republican National Committee’s (RNC) winter meeting, Rove outlined talking points for ways to defeat leading Democratic candidates Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Barack Obama (Ill.). The former adviser to the president did not mention former Sen. John Edwards (N.C.)."

I haven't made up my mind yet (and I heartily advise anyone who has not yet voted in their state's primary yet, to participate in any telephone polls, unless it is to tell them you are undecided, and will take them all into consideration), but at this point I am leaning toward voting either for Edwards or Dr. Paul in the primary.

If either Clinton or Obama are the Democratic Party's nominee, I'll either write in Dr. Paul, or I'll abstain entirely, on antiwar/religious grounds.

In regards to the Supreme Court, I believe undesirable appointees have already been selected for Mrs. Clinton and I believe she will go along with whatever program has been set for her anyway.

As you can see, Shane, I have been very, very disappointed with the actions of the Democratic Party as of late and was never really enamored with the DLC faction, at any rate.

I cannot, in good conscience, continue to support them, as long as they continue to oppose my best interests, and what I believe to be the interests of the nation at large.

I hate the neocons but I don't see these Democrats as being any sort of an acceptable alternative to them anymore.
 
I agree with NeptuneBob

Hello friends,
I am a Libertarian,and as such am about as far away from most of you politically as it is possible to be.That having been said,I agree 100 percent with NeptuneBob about this issue.Kucinich is the candidate I would want the least to be elected,according to HIS survey.To me he is a Socialist.BUT,he has every right to be a part of these debates.I also feel that he truly believes in what he says and is totally sincere.For that I admire him very much.
Tom
 
oooh sorry if that came out wrong. I was not singling anyone out, nor calling names. That is a no-no.

Just thinking it was nice to have a peaceful site for a while!
As the little blue vitamin "V" pill said to the body, "Let's keep it up!"
 
or I'll abstain entirely, on antiwar/religious grounds.

Sorry if I offend, but if you don't vote, you have NO right to bitch afterwards. Period (unless you're not a US citizen, of course). Since Bill, I've had to vote for the lesser of two evils each time, but I did vote. I still don't agree with some of the things my candidate is "for," but so far, I will vote for that candidate as the least undesirable one.

IMHO: If only we could have a candidate that would get us out of Iraq, lock up the borders, throw out anyone illegal (what, exactly, does anyone not understand about the word "illegal?"), and allow loving people to commit LEGALLY to each other, I could vote without feeling like I was just settling.

Constructive criticism only please! :-)

Chuck
 
"Sorry if I offend, but if you don't vote, you have NO right to bitch afterwards."

That's what I've always said, and that's what I've always heard, so that's what I've always done.

"Now, my thinking is, if I do what we've always done, I'll get what we've always gotten! *laughs maniacally*

"I still don't agree with some of the things my candidate is "for," but so far, I will vote for that candidate as the least undesirable one."

I hear you and feel you powerfully, but the problem is I've had that experience over and over again, and I KNOW that, if I vote for the "lesser evil" this time around, I'm going to wake up and feel like a whore (and there ain't gonna be no Benjamins on my bedstand, if you get my drift...)

"IMHO: If only we could have a candidate that would get us out of Iraq, lock up the borders, throw out anyone illegal (what, exactly, does anyone not understand about the word "illegal?"), and allow loving people to commit LEGALLY to each other, I could vote without feeling like I was just settling...."

Chuck, if you feel the same way in November and you send me your last name, I might just write in YOUR name on the ballot, instead of Dr. Paul's! :) :)

I just can't live with the guilt, the feeling of having to have contributed to this train wreck in any way.
 
Toggle for President

If we made our selection based on a sense of humor,Toggleswitch would get my vote!
Tom
 
Meanwhile, with all this, I have to ask, do any of you plan to not buy any GE appliances or other products over this? My sister wants me to come out to her house tomorrow to look at her 30 year old GE range where the bake element will not come on. If it needs more than a new element she might want a new range and I told her no GE. Does anyone here think GE is Generally Evil?
 
..so let'a all take our *happy* pill and hold hands and

Ya know, if we shunned everyone (or every entity)who did something wrong to us even once (real or imagined offense) we'd have no one left in the world to talk to.

Anger simply hurts and destroys the angry.
 
"Does anyone here think GE is Generally Evil?"

I do, but no more than any of the other corporatists.

They do what they can get away with.

IMHO, Dennis shot himself in the foot, campaign-wise, and they've been denying John Edwards, Dr. Ron Paul, and even Mike Gravel their fair shake from day one, so they're only operating under orders from "Ground Control".

I'll definitely buy GE products, if the quality is there and the price is right.
 
"Does anyone here think GE is Generally Evil?"

I do, but no more than any of the other corporatists.

They do what they can get away with.

IMHO, Dennis shot himself in the foot, campaign-wise, and they've been denying John Edwards, Dr. Ron Paul, and even Mike Gravel their fair shake from day one, so they're only operating under orders from "Ground Control".

I'll definitely buy GE products, if the quality is there and the price is right.
 
Years ago I swore off GE when some environmental activist won an Oscar for a documentary she did on how GE is is distroying the planet by making nuclear power plants and bombs. Her speech was very pasionate and altho' I never saw the documentary, it stuck with me. I have since reconsidered my opinion when taking into account the current state of home appliances.

They do make good cooking products...
 
From a European standpoint

Since I grew up in the US but have German citizenship, I can understand Scott's feelings very very well. I don't think anything has been truly right since Robert and Martin were murdered.
At the same time, will you forgive a non-American for commenting here? (If not, just skip the rest of this reply).
Scott - and everyone who is thinking of writing in a candidate who can't win, abstaining, etc. I want to ask you to reconsider.
It is the nature of things that the democrat's nominee is going to be a compromise. This is because democrats are made up of various interest groups - people who care about human freedom (not always including my gay rights), people who only care about racial issues, people who put the environment before other people, people who are strict constitutionallists, people who are socialists, people who are...
So whomever your country ultimately chooses is going to fail us in one or more areas which we hold dear.

That is inevitable. The real question for the rest of this planet is not who is the best, but who is the least bad of the choices given. It is going to be a tight situation, you have seen how your congress has had its hands tied by the too narrow majority of the democrats - independents and republicans can stop any legislation which would change things. There is a real danger of this happening in 2008. Especially if people of conscience vote 'protest' instead of 'prevent'.

If you don't vote for a candidate who has a genuine chance of winning, then you will be empowering the extremists - on both sides - and they will decide the election. It happened to Germany in the 1930s.

Please, even if you have to hold your nose - vote realistically. I have been voting all my adult life, never missed an election. From 1976 to 1995, I voted as a US citizen. Never once did I vote 'for' someone, always 'against' someone. Since 1995, as a German citizen I have done exactly the same.

You may wake up the next day thinking you prostituted yourself, ok, sure - but your nation no longer enjoys habeus corpus rights. When you can be apprehended at any time, without cause and held indefinitely without cause or appeal, maybe it is time to focus on the real basics. Living in Europe, where homosexuals enjoy human rights, I gag every time I am confronted with the 'moderate' democratic party line. But even the worst of the democrats has promised to restore habeus corpus...and, sadly, there is a very good chance that the next president will be appointing at least one if not two supreme court justices. Isn't that worth a bit of whoring?
 
Panthera:

"Please, even if you have to hold your nose - vote realistically."

Well said. No matter what spectrum of political belief one adheres to, this election is too important, and is likely to be too close, to waste even one vote on a candidate who is not really electable.

I remind everyone that the votes squandered on Ralph Nader in 2000 were a factor in putting Bush into office; every vote cast for Nader was a vote that Gore could have used. The people who indulged in the luxury of "voting their conscience" that election couldn't have had anything backfire worse, in my estimation.
 
voting in election

The time to vote is during the primary. This is when your vote counts. Come the actual election time it doesn't matter who you vote for or if you vote or not, it is all done by the electoral votes. The common vote does not come into play during this process. I have spoken to countless political people coming to my door daily for the past month and I asked them all this question and they said I was correct and walked away. No sense waisting time with this guy. Anybody remember the last election when the popular vote was not for the guy in office but the electoral vote was. And look see who got in for a second term. Sorry but this is going to generate a lot of feedback I feel. Just my 2cents worth.
Jon
 
Keven -

Very well put, and right on the money too. I'll still buy GE appliances because I like them, and they make a good product, maybe no better or no worse than others, but certainly functional and reliable. NBC's refusal to allow an unelectable candidate to participate in a debate has no bearing on the reality of the situation that exists in the US today. While I certainly understand the implications of NBC's refusal, it has little or no bearing on GE itself...they are only the parent company, and do not make NBC policy, which operates as an arm of a conglomerate. If anyone thinks the head of GE calls the head of NBC and says "don't do that", then you should think again...it doesn't work that way. I think we have a whole hell of a lot more to worry about in the US today than buying Whirlpool versus GE appliances.
 
You know what I like?

When people end up running out of things to boycott, and they end up with either nothing left to support/buy/patronize, or they end up patronizing the organization that pissed them off in the first place.

Idiots.
 
Well, since my favorite is no longer running I guess you all are right but I still try not to buy from companies that harm the environment or their employees or make obnoxious products. I would think Whirlpool or Frigidaire would be safe for appliances. If anyone knows otherwise please tell me. I do know Clyde, OH is in Dennis territory and and Whirlpool has a plant there so the might try to unelect him? Knowing what I know about GE I probably won't buy their products, even if it just makes me feel better. I'm also mad at ABC and Disney so "I don't want to go to Disney World". Too much of a trip and is it really much better than Kennywood? (please tell me it it is). I try not to drive much so as not to support the oil companies. When it comes time to buy a new vehicle, I am considering Toyota, but if I should not, please tell. After all the games USAirways has played with the PGh area with layoffs and threats of, I might be willing to drive to Myrtle Beach if I go. By the way, I fixed my sisters GE range but they sure charge a lot for parts - 67 dollars for the bake element- or is that reasonable for this part?
 
"If you don't vote for a candidate who has a genuine chance of winning, then you will be empowering the extremists - on both sides - and they will decide the election. It happened to Germany in the 1930s."

Keven, with the above statement you have accurately described the 2000 presidential election in which those who threw their votes away on Nader KNOWINGLY handed the victory to Bush. The race was very close and they still chose to waste their vote on Nader when Gore needed their votes. In retrospect I doubt there is a single Nader voter from 2000 that didn't wish they had a chance to change their mind. Once in office, it was a given that the Bush thugs were going to assure a re-election in 2008.

I also blame Nader himself. He knew very well that by staying in the race he was helping Bush, but he refused to bow out and throw his support to Gore. It was the humanitarian thing to do and he chose not to. I don't even listen to a thing Nader has to say anymore. His egotism was blinding in 2000.

It's crucial that in 2008 we do not let another repugnican whack job with blinders on into the White House. Until we have a truly viable 3rd party that the media can't ignore, our only choice is between Democrat and Repugnican. DON'T anybody throw their vote away this time, please!

And don't even get me started on the insanely illogical Electoral College situation.
 

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