I don't get this at all.

[rocketwarrior]

C'Mon Foraloysius --

College students have stewed gold fish in stomach acid since Jesus was in a fraternity. People have used hooks, nets, dynamite, whatever on fish since before breast augmentation. Live fish are iced and left to gasp. I suspect you don't go on such a foul mouthed rant about fishermen - they would probably put you on ice in some fishing boat and ship you out of the country.

Really, do you not eat fish? Boycott grocery stores that sell it?

 

[rocketwarrior]

Fish Violence - Frist Fish, then......

It was actually the fishing of early Christians that resulted in a cultivation of a taste for blood and violence resulting in wholesale slaughter of humans during what is curiously referred to as the "Crusades."

 

[laundromat]

I have and will continue to go fishing but,this guy is a sick individual and needs serious psychiatric annalisis to be profesionaly treated.I flagged him.

 

[rocketwarrior]

Sanctioned Torture

Chuck, what makes your torture of fish unremarkable and his a reason for concern about his mental health?

 

[rocketwarrior]

Start Over

Really, you guys, start at the top and look at the things you have said. Like he should be pulverized for putting gold fish in a washing machine. His lame, boring video brought out foul mouthed, violent responses from you. Maybe that is what it is about - how close some people are to the edge.

I suspect that no one is suggesting that Laundromat be tugged around with a hook in his cheek for his own fish torture -- yet you wish violence on this guy.

And how about those that put fish in a tank for heaven's sake to swim in mindless/endless/meaningless/lifeless circles until they die of boredom. Or are freaked out by a small treasure chest endlessly opening and closing, opening and closing.

I think the "artist" hit something right on. He tripped your trigger big time with a handful of "animals" you eat on a regular basis and don't seem to mind at all their gulping on a fishing boat deck.

And don't try to tell me you don't wear shoes made from fish skin.

 

[mistereric]

Needless acts of cruelty are sad - sport fishing, goldfish in washing machines, inhumane conditions in slaughterhouses, child abuse... all bad things.

Being cruel to animals to illicit a reaction from people is sadder. A callous disregard for other living things is incompatible with being part of civilized society.

Censorship? Maybe. If the majority of people in a society choose to work within a set of norms, and an individual wants to break taboo just to call attention to himself, then perhaps corrective censorship is warranted.

We all live here with our set of morals because we want to. If an individual wants to break a rule and show society how we are all wrong, and how we could better ourselves, thats one thing. But how do you not want to censor cruelty? I can't see society becoming better because we decide to make goldfish smoothies in washing machines.

So I flagged it. I don't fish for sport, I don't eat lobsters boiled alive, or foie gras. I try to buy food from ethical sources. And no, I am not going to find every instance of animal cruelty on youtube and flag it - thats unrealistic. Just the ones brought to my attention.

 

[rocketwarrior]

"If a majority of people in a society choose....."

Oops. You didn't mean that. No one on this site wants the majority to choose their lifestyle. The tyranny of the majority is exactly why we have certain constitutional protections and freedoms that cannot be taken away by the majority. I suspect there a few jews, gays, artists, etc. who would find your justification pretty darn uncomfortable. "Corrective censorshp" implemented by the majority - now there's a horror show.

Eric, I'm telling you - you don't want "the majority" to tell you what you can read, how you dress, who you choose to live with, whether you can sit in the front of the bus, whether you pierce your nose, die your hair, produce a disturbing movie. Believe me - you don't want to have to run the right to express youself by "the majority."

And frankly, y'all's over reaction to something that is not an illegal activity will cause more people to watch that piece than just clicking to something else. If the goal of the producer of that video was to provoke, then he is watching your flags and chuckling.

 

[foraloysius]

In nature all other creatures only kill for food reasons and to defend themselves. That makes sense. I find it revolting to see creatures being abused for other reasons, people or animals. Yes, that includes sport fishing. Yes, I eat meat, but only from animals that had a good life. Yes, I eat fish, but only those kinds that aren't on the list of threatened species. A little respect for other lives doesn't hurt. To me this video is disrespectful.

 

[rocketwarrior]

Disrespectful

Now there is a fair critism of the piece. It is a valid view that does not call for placing a boot on someone's neck. P.S. This my cat, Nigel, performing his favorite trick.

 

[animasinsulinpu]

your cat

Hi, Mark. I LOVE your cat. Is he a bobcat? He's a cutie!!!....Bill in Az.....

 

[redcarpetdrew]

Love that cat, Mark!

I agree with the video being disrespectful and I flagged it with that in mind. Needless torture of any lifeform is distasteful. I worry that this video will set an example for others to 'push the envelope'. At what point will something cross the line from distasteful to something that should be censored? How about spiking food with AlkaSeltzer and watching sea gulls suffer and die? Will putting a dead cat or puppy in a dryer and shooting video of it smashing around in the drum be ok as it's not illegal? Sometimes I think the Founding Fathers would be rolling in their graves over some of the things we use the concept of Freedom Of Speech to protect.

RCD

 

[autowasherfreak]

Nigel looks a lot like my cat Remington.

 

[rocketwarrior]

Reminggton is Nigel's Twin!

Here is a portrait of Nigel.

 

[autowasherfreak]

When I first got Remington about 5 years ago, and I was told the he was a she, a couple days later I discovered that she was indeed a he. My friend had named some strange name and once I found out he was a boy I re-named him Remington because I like typewriters. He is the biggest baby out of our six cats.

Here's Remington's thought on modern washers, LOL

 

[aldspinboy]

THEY HAVE REMOVED THE VIDEO THANK GOODNESS!!! IT MADE ME SICK ALL DAY!
I love art and pushing the envelope but not hurting people, animals, etc in the name of art sorry. Darren k

 

[rocketwarrior]

Jim, hijacking your own thread - smile

Okay, based on your post, I asked Nigel his take on modern washers:

 

[sudsmaster]

It's not true that no other creature except man kills for pleasure. There are plenty of documented instances of other animals going on killing sprees. Most recently I saw a documentary on desert lions that had them chasing down and killing domesticated donkeys who didn't know how to run away and after the first few, the lions killed just for the sport of it.

House cats will kill birds and mice by playing with them... and not eat them...

Chimpanzees are quite violent and will wage wars on neighboring troops. They will kill each other for territorial reasons, not because of food or self defense.

However, I'm glad the video was pulled. I didn't watch it and had no intention of going there. I raise goldfish and koi and they are pets that I care about. It's different from a pet you can hold and pet, of course, but they are sentient beings nonetheless.

 

[autowasherfreak]

Twins

Mark, do you know how much Nigel weighs? I think Remington weighs somewhere around 15-20 lbs. He seemed to gain a lot of weight after I had him snipped.

 

[autowasherfreak]

I so glad that the video was pulled. I was starting to regret posting it.

 

[rocketwarrior]

Nigel's weight

Nigel weighed 12 pounds 8 oz. at his check up last November. He was born March of 05. He rides to work with me everyday and we often take a siesta. That's my mom in the picture on the wall.