I don't understand why manual filter dishwashers are so popular...

[logixx]

Gabriele, it's a SN58M552DE made in September of 2009.

I have often wondered about this "Cake Test" videos. Are these cakes mostly made of frosting? I have seen a Whirlpool commercial with chocolate cake and its looked like a lot of frosting. How much actual dough do these cakes have?

 

[henene4]

Next sommer...

... I may try this with our Bosch slimline. And maybe one of my belover choclate cakes will be used. But isn't their a dedicated cake which is used to test the backing abilities of ovens here in Germany? Wouldn't it make sense to use this for such a test....

 

[volsboy1]

They suck bad removable filters I can't stand them.I will not buy a dishwasher that will not pass my 1 quart of hard cat food test.

I dump it in the bottom and if there is anything left I will sell it.My L.G. can barley do it but there is particles everywhere

I did the same with my 1984 Kitchenaid Superba 21 and all of it was gone by the first pre-wash not one particle left anywhere.

I cleaned up that K-Aid there is no rust anywhere that was dirt.The heaters and everything is perfect in that machine

this machine was never used maybe once or twice a year that is it.They make these new dishwasher's and use little 60watt

motors for there main pump now and 5 years ago those were drain motors.They make them run with very little water and make

them run for 4 hours or more to save energy, but this makes no sense in the long run.Dishwasher's used to last 14 years or so I have

been replacing them every 3 or 4 years now.How can that be more efficient throwing away dishwasher's in dumps or having a dishwasher with more power and use a little more water and a 50 min cycle?I tested my K-Aid filled it full with everything

did not rinse nothing threw in a cake and it was all gone in the light cycle everything was.The dishes were spotless and everything

clean and dry in about 40 mins.Yup I am like BOB I wish I could mount my disposer in my dishwasher...LOL

 

[alineber]

Volsboy1 (Wes), appnut (Bob), & washman

You three guys are great! I'm not going to prewash dishes either. If a dishwasher can't cut the mustard or takes 2 to 4 hours, then I don't want it. BTW, I have done my own dishwasher tests just like Wes and Bob. I can take a cookie sheet pan, with burnt pizza remains, throw it in my 1993 KitchenAid and in 1 hr it's completely removed.

 

[whirlcool]

A few months ago we put a 2 qt pan full of cooked pasta in the DW that was still about 1/2 full of food. Except for a few bits around the filter intake at the bottom of our Maytag it got rid of it all. No debris on any dishes.

 

[jlbrazil]

Cleaning filters..

Guys, I really have nothing to complain about this "new" system. I've got a 2010 Whirlpool dishwasher (From the time Whirlpool built dishwashers in Germany) and I clean the filters like every 3-4 months. When I bought the machine I used to clean after each wash, then after each week, month.. One time I forgot to clean the filter for 6 months and it was.. clean.
After that I stopped to worry about cleaning it. lol

On the rinses, I only use it on the Normal (auto) cycle. On the average it does 1 cold and 1 hot rinse. When things are very dirty it does 2 cold rinses and 1 hot (60-70º) rinse. The Normal cycle varies from 1:10 all the way up to 2:10.
The model is almost like the one in the picture, but with a smaller display.

 

[washman]

When phosphates were finally removed

performance died until the manufacturers could come up with something that remotely did the job.

I posted in another thread that very issue with an old school Kitchenaid that suddenly stopped cleaning well. I ran vinegar, dishwasher magic, the works and it just did not clean as well. Even had a guy tear it apart only to find nothing wrong.

With the dishwasher that is.

There was everything wrong with the Finish I used. I noted in the post that the directions clearly stated make sure inlet water is 140 and to fill BOTH cups completely. Which I did yet it did not really improve matters. I ended up having to buy Lemishine to put in the main wash cycle, manually I might add, just to get the dishes clean. The reason? All phosphates were removed!

Which reinforces my take on the "eco" craze that has everyone's attention these days. Sure, on one end I suppose mother earth is thanking us for removing phosphates but on the other side, I have to use twice the amount of detergent which means I buy MORE of the stuff, not less, which means Finish makes MORE to restock the shelves at the store and to top it all off, I have to invest more money to buy boosters to do what the "new improved eco sanctioned" detergent cannot do.

Which is clean my dishes.

 

[washer111]

Agree with you Washman

At least on this front!

 

The thing is, its NOT domestic Phosphate usage that causes the environmental impact, rather the careless and frivolous usage by farmers (and/or industry) who don't bother calculating and experimenting with products or trying other means of improving soil quality (Altering soil pH, resting landing etc.).

I think the actual figures state that since Phosphates were banned in one of the Washington's, the river is still choked with algae from farmers and factories using Phosphate products.

 

If it were more economically viable, I would love to get several cartons of Finish detergent here in Australia to ship over to you guys. We're lucky and still seem to have about 30% Phosphates in Finish and Fairy products. I've just switched back to Finish after a "hiatus" with an "Earth" detergent and "Morning Fresh."

The Finish out-cleans both products and smells nicer too. It also doesn't clog the machine with foam like the Earth product does...

And I'm talking about results with a modern machine* on a SOFTENED water supply. I can't imagine what those here in town without a softener are dealing with...

 

*As you're probably well aware, an F&P DishDrawer from 2011. Use the "Delicates" cycle, since its only an hour and gives me three rinses (I guess Eco-Nazis don't expect people to wash delicates, so they don't screw around with it!)

 

[alineber]

Thank you both

Washman and Washer111

 

I agree 100% with what you guys said.

 

The thing is, its NOT domestic Phosphate usage that causes the environmental impact, rather the careless and frivolous usage by farmers (and/or industry) who don't bother calculating and experimenting with products or trying other means of improving soil quality (Altering soil pH, resting landing etc.).

I think the actual figures state that since Phosphates were banned in one of the Washington's, the river is still choked with algae from farmers and factories using Phosphate products. 

 

<span style="color: #000000;">Hear, Hear!!!!  I've been trying to tell people about this.  Some will listen and some won't.</span>

 

[zodawash]

Filter cleaning

I've never had to clean the filters in my last two dishwashers and I don't rinse the plates or bother too much about the state the stuff goes in. Last machine was an LG and my current an Amica both with manual filters. They are always clean so no worries. Good quality detergent always used.

 

[whitetub]

In this Youtube video, around 2:45, you will see how the filters work.

Personnally, I have a Bosch dishwasher, and I clean the filters about every 2 months, just to make them nice and shiny, but I never find any pieces of food in there.

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jypOldNzS8