I just fell in love with impellar washers!

[washerdude]

Samsung and a king size comforter:


This would be a true bulky load test, but I'd still prefer a FL to wash bulky items like these.

 

[earthling177]

I should have been more explicit with my text -- yes, the HE toploading washers are gentler than the non-HE (traditional) impeller ("pulsator") machines.

What I am talking about is very close to this machine that Roger is demoing. In fact, I believe the differences between the machine he is demoing and the one I have are basically I have a 10 lbs load machine, I believe his washer is a bit smaller (7 lbs, perhaps?), the rest is just cosmetic. (BTW, Roger posts here, I forgot his username, and also in Vacuumland, his youtube channel is a treasure trove.)

Have fun!

 

[yogitunes]

well then your comparing apples to oranges.....

the OP that started the thread, or I should say the subject matter, is focused at standard TL HE machines that use an impellor type of wash action....

even so, in the vids you posted, also mentioned in those, wash action was very effective, and all stains were removed to his liking....nor was there any mention of excessive wear....outside of washing a load he felt was too much for that size of machine...

the Avanti 1.7 is rated at a 12lb capacity, which is equal to a GE V12 FilterFlo....pretty impressive if you ask me...and its fully automatic and extremely flexible controls.....my next choice is to try out the 3.0 version....

my best advice if you dont have one, attend an event and try one out....it might change your mind, it sure has to the members who have seen mine...

 

[earthling177]

Martin:

I'm not sure where I mis-communicated.

RevvinKevin mentioned that if one fills an HE toploader with that much water and that few clothes, the swirling around will not clean the garments as effectively as if one lets the machine autofill or uses a lower water level.

He also mentions that the older impeller/pulsator washers (non-HE, twin-tubs etc) run differently than the machine the original poster was talking about.

Then the OP asked RevvinKevin if he had anything to back up his claims, and Kevin told him to watch the videos posted.

I thought all I posted was agreeing not only with what Kevin said, but also with what Louis and you said. I have not personally *used* the new-style HE toploaders, but I do have experience with the high-fill pulsator machines. Some newer designs are OK to good, but on average, they are pretty aggressive on the fabrics.

The Avanti washer you are talking about has some form of fuzzy logic to vary the rhythm of the wash action, right? Not just fixed speed with fixed timing.

My initial comment had to do with the fact that when told that half a dozen garments on a full fill HE-topload wouldn't clean as well, the OP posted non-HE pulsator machines examples as if they were equivalent. They are not.

My responses have to do with the fun factor: he can get an automatic pulsator machine for not much money or a twin-tub for even less. The downside is that the twin-tubs are rough on fabrics, and a lot of people who *buy* that style of washer *expects* it because of the type of laundry they are doing and because they tend to pre-treat the fabrics and run a shortish cycle if they can.

My impression is that I *was* pointing out how much of apples and oranges the two systems are.

Sorry I failed.

Cheers,
   -- Paulo.

 

[speedqueen]

"Dense Foam Action"

I nearly fell of the couch, laughing, when I heard that! This isn't a Kirby shampoo attachment, this is a washer. While I like High sudsers for the old fashioned look while washing, we all know that that is the stupidest claim Panasonic could have made about their washer.

 

[yogitunes]

no, I get where your coming from....

the Avanti does have fuzzy logic of sorts, which I would love to see in these full size machines....

heck, I would love to see these full size machines with this much flexibility in cycles and options....

there are too many variables to list with the choices you make as to what the machine will do.....

just by water level alone, say for instance, the low setting will automatically adjust wash pattern and speed versus a high water level...

theres also no messing around with sensing and adjusting.....pauses are built in for soaking, but that is based on the cycle selected....

I felt the same way that many did about these low water level machines.....first another member showed me his, then I got a few to play with....they are interesting machines...

in that full fill HE, if the wash action was more vigorous, it might give better cleaning results....but also good to know if washing something delicate...but that is a lot of water for washing a few items...

I always welcome you attending one of my events....bring some laundry...and give a few of these machines a whirl....

and to think, these newer ones are adapting better...new ideas may come to light...

as to the suds in an HE....if you seen a calypso in action, whipping the water and detergent into a high concentrated lather saturating the load....as long as the machine can rinse it all away, your not going to get any better cleaning than that....

 

[user 3941]

Oh geez....

That's my main comment on this subject since it's been beat to death!

I feel like a broken record....

My new Maytag cleans extremely well...whether it's a small load or large load, using HE or Deep Fill. I'm very impressed with it. I feel kind of the same way about the older style DD machines, like the Kenmore I had. The agitator seemed a bit more robust and the machine overall was a bit more aggressive with agitation. But honestly the new lower profile impeller really does a good job too. I only wish that recirculating water was standard on all these types of machines. If anything it gives you more of a sense that the clothes are getting thoroughly drenched with cleaning solution.

I'm really convinced that people dissing HE machines are doing so just to piss off people that like them. I mean how many videos and personal statements from people that own these machines and use them regularly do you need to believe they DO work? Everyone must be lying and are being paid by appliance companies to endorse these machines! LOL. Oh brother.

YOU DON'T NEED 1000 GALLONS OF WATER TO GET CLOTHES CLEAN.

 

[ea56]

Very well put Joeypete, thanks! It's almost insulting for people that haven't even used these types of machines to make blanket statements that they don't work or clean well. If you don't like the idea of this kind of machine, then don't buy one! Different strokes for different folks. But to insinuate that those of use that do own one of these machines and are pleased with them, don't know WTH we are talking about shouldn't have a place on a website dedicated to those of us that love washing machines. Theres room for everyone and there is always something new to learn until you take the final deep sleep at the end of the road.
Eddie

 

[Chetlaham]

don't work or clean well

Not what I was trying to communicate- just that if I had an impeller washer my preference would be for a deep fill. Opinions and preferences do vary, and deep filling is just my own. I was not trying to bash those who get great results from HE washers- I am certain most people on here get stellar results. As I've said before, I would not mind a SQ front load washers- and if they put heaters in them I would have probably gotten on of those over a traditional top load.

 

[johnb300m]

If that's the case Chet, then I doubt you were Joey's target audience

 

[washerdude]

One thing...

Just one thing I wish is FL's and HE TL's would use recirculation pumps standard on all models, and kept them on all cycle long for the washes an rinses. In both units It would really help cleaning performance and also help to shorten times.

 

[Chetlaham]

Thats good to know then, I don't want to get on anyone's bad side. Lots of appreciable folks here.

 

[cuffs054]

Not to add fuel, but... I really wanted to like the Tags. The final straw was washing four sweaters on the wool cycle. I decided not to interfer with the machine but at the end of the wash one whole sleeve of one sweater was still dry. I'm super careful to load correctly but even on "deep water wash" it won't fill over half full.  I keep the lid lock bypassed so I can give the washer a helping hand with a mid to large load. Just kinda disappointing.