From what I remember, there are many downlloadable cycles and most of them are based on the Normal cycle. Only differences are changes in default soil level or water temperature.
I really like the look of the new Whirlpool Front Loaders
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washerdude
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Appnut & Powerfin64 - I thought I was crazy! Glad to see that you guys also seem to notice that majority of the downloaded cycles appear to be reskins of the Normal cycle.
That rinse action of spinning while spraying with a tub full of water appears to be what LG refers to as "filtration." After filling up to a certain level, the machine will enter the rinse-filtration motion. Once it completes, it will continue to fill if needed and do 2-4 tumbles prior to final draining/spinning. I have seen it be aborted numerous times if there is too much turbulence.
https://www.lg.com/in/magazine/enjo...-performance-with-lgs-6-motion-dd-technology/
Filtration also exists in the starting stages of the initial fill and saturation for the main wash on ALL cycles, but it's only on the Normal cycle where it does it on the rinse as well.
Other cycles beyond the Normal stick to the tried and true approach of filling and tumbling for rinses. My assumption is that LG may have thought that this filtration method is only effective for a certain load size.
They claim it helps to saturate the load faster and evenly in general.
The Turbowash marketing claims to wash a load in 30 minutes however this is at a specific load weight and a specific cycle being the Normal cycle.
*Based on independent testing comparing models WM3900HBA and WM4370HWA in normal cycle with TurboWash™360° option, 10 lb. load vs. TurboWash® 2.0 option, 8 lb. load (Feb. 2019).*
https://www.lg.com/us/press-release...nder-30-minutes-with-new-turbowash-technology
As the TurboWash spec is based on the Normal cycle, I assume to save time to reach the 30 minute claim, they changed programming in certain spots of the Normal cycle - some of them being the final rinse and the vastly shortened spin cycle. Even on my WM4370HKA which does not have any AI or TurboWash 360, behaves exactly the same as present LG's on the Normal cycle with Turbowash enabled.
The intermittent spin cycle drain prior to entering the final rinse is waived on the Normal cycle (Turbowash enabled), this would technically save time on draining, filling for the final rinse and in addition would help to save water being the Normal cycle which is used to rate the machines efficiency.
Literally every single cycle where an intermittent spin cycle between rinses is present, it will do a burst drain after the machine coasts to a stop before entering ANY rinse (my 2014 Whirlpool Duet WFW72 NEVER did a drain after spinning on any cycle). In fact, if you select an extra rinse on the Normal cycle, it will still do the burst drain prior to entering the first rinse after the first intermittent spin, but still not for the final rinse.
Another place which they cut down on time on the Normal cycle is the final spin. I REALLY don't like how short the final spin is by default on the Normal cycle and i've seen other front loaders which do this as well. Clothes feel as wet as they were as if they came out of an old top loader and the dry time increase is very noticeable. By default for Normal, the machine will hit 1200 RPM (high), and the mere second it reaches that RPM, it will coast down to shut off. The way to circumvent this is to select extra high and it will spin for a longer time at around 7-8 minutes at a higher RPM anywhere from 1100-1260 depending on load balance - similar to other cycles. With the exception of the Bulky and Speed Wash (maybe perm press and delicate, haven't used them), every other cycle does not have this horrendously short spin cycle and actually spins for a good amount of time at a high RPM.
Side note, this is now the second front loader i've owned which on the Normal cycle the spin cycles don't match the speeds. Low, is 1000-ish RPM, medium is 1160 RPM. Other cycles low is 600 RPM and medium is 1000.
The final place which I can tell they cut out is the very final end cycle drain and final tumble. Again, ever other cycle does this except the Normal. On Normal, the machine will coast down unlock and that's the end, no tumbling, no final drain. The same behavior also exists on the Speed Wash cycle which is meant for quick cycle times.
That rinse action of spinning while spraying with a tub full of water appears to be what LG refers to as "filtration." After filling up to a certain level, the machine will enter the rinse-filtration motion. Once it completes, it will continue to fill if needed and do 2-4 tumbles prior to final draining/spinning. I have seen it be aborted numerous times if there is too much turbulence.
https://www.lg.com/in/magazine/enjo...-performance-with-lgs-6-motion-dd-technology/
Filtration also exists in the starting stages of the initial fill and saturation for the main wash on ALL cycles, but it's only on the Normal cycle where it does it on the rinse as well.
Other cycles beyond the Normal stick to the tried and true approach of filling and tumbling for rinses. My assumption is that LG may have thought that this filtration method is only effective for a certain load size.
They claim it helps to saturate the load faster and evenly in general.
The Turbowash marketing claims to wash a load in 30 minutes however this is at a specific load weight and a specific cycle being the Normal cycle.
*Based on independent testing comparing models WM3900HBA and WM4370HWA in normal cycle with TurboWash™360° option, 10 lb. load vs. TurboWash® 2.0 option, 8 lb. load (Feb. 2019).*
https://www.lg.com/us/press-release...nder-30-minutes-with-new-turbowash-technology
As the TurboWash spec is based on the Normal cycle, I assume to save time to reach the 30 minute claim, they changed programming in certain spots of the Normal cycle - some of them being the final rinse and the vastly shortened spin cycle. Even on my WM4370HKA which does not have any AI or TurboWash 360, behaves exactly the same as present LG's on the Normal cycle with Turbowash enabled.
The intermittent spin cycle drain prior to entering the final rinse is waived on the Normal cycle (Turbowash enabled), this would technically save time on draining, filling for the final rinse and in addition would help to save water being the Normal cycle which is used to rate the machines efficiency.
Literally every single cycle where an intermittent spin cycle between rinses is present, it will do a burst drain after the machine coasts to a stop before entering ANY rinse (my 2014 Whirlpool Duet WFW72 NEVER did a drain after spinning on any cycle). In fact, if you select an extra rinse on the Normal cycle, it will still do the burst drain prior to entering the first rinse after the first intermittent spin, but still not for the final rinse.
Another place which they cut down on time on the Normal cycle is the final spin. I REALLY don't like how short the final spin is by default on the Normal cycle and i've seen other front loaders which do this as well. Clothes feel as wet as they were as if they came out of an old top loader and the dry time increase is very noticeable. By default for Normal, the machine will hit 1200 RPM (high), and the mere second it reaches that RPM, it will coast down to shut off. The way to circumvent this is to select extra high and it will spin for a longer time at around 7-8 minutes at a higher RPM anywhere from 1100-1260 depending on load balance - similar to other cycles. With the exception of the Bulky and Speed Wash (maybe perm press and delicate, haven't used them), every other cycle does not have this horrendously short spin cycle and actually spins for a good amount of time at a high RPM.
Side note, this is now the second front loader i've owned which on the Normal cycle the spin cycles don't match the speeds. Low, is 1000-ish RPM, medium is 1160 RPM. Other cycles low is 600 RPM and medium is 1000.
The final place which I can tell they cut out is the very final end cycle drain and final tumble. Again, ever other cycle does this except the Normal. On Normal, the machine will coast down unlock and that's the end, no tumbling, no final drain. The same behavior also exists on the Speed Wash cycle which is meant for quick cycle times.
Count me in as someone who really likes their Elux laundry pair.
The washer has been running strong for 7 years now, since the w/d set came with the house.
All three pumps work just fine.
I won't say I "love" the Elux sets, that's a strong term.
But they are excellent, and I do think they're better built than the Whirlpools of the past several years.
With that said, with all the recirculation the Elux does, which is great, it's a little overzealous in the rinse cycles. Which I think can lead to over-sudsing in the rinse. Especially if the detergent dosing a little too high.
The Elux recirculates and aggressively tumbles in the rinses, which can whip up a froth.
My old Alpha Maytag set did rinse a little better, in the regard that it was more forgiving on detergent use.
The Maytag would do short, quick tumbles in each direction.
This circulated the clothes well, while keeping any residual suds down, so they can drain away.
The Elux will whip that residual up, especially on towels for some reason. I have to make sure I do 'extra rinse' with towels.
Other than that, it's the best cleaning washer I've ever used. Not that my repertoire is as wide as some here.
I was able to read some of their patents a while back, and they listed out their recirculating scheme.
The gist of it, was that they pulse the recirc pump on and off to keep sudsing at bay, since in their research they found oversudsing would increase if they kept the pumps running the whole time during wash.
Their justification for any recirc, was to re-mix detergent that would settle out in the sump (I didn't know was a concern) and get that detergent back in the basket with the clothes.
If you have a dirty load with lots of solid particulates, I can see a recirc pump working against you, carrying that heavy stuff back into the basket. But on a whole, it helps more than harm I'd say.
The dryer is also great, if not a little slow. But that also means it's gentle on my clothes, which is good.
It doesn't autoclave them like all the apartment Speed Queens I've used in the past.
If it conked out, I would definitely get another Elux set.
The washer has been running strong for 7 years now, since the w/d set came with the house.
All three pumps work just fine.
I won't say I "love" the Elux sets, that's a strong term.
But they are excellent, and I do think they're better built than the Whirlpools of the past several years.
With that said, with all the recirculation the Elux does, which is great, it's a little overzealous in the rinse cycles. Which I think can lead to over-sudsing in the rinse. Especially if the detergent dosing a little too high.
The Elux recirculates and aggressively tumbles in the rinses, which can whip up a froth.
My old Alpha Maytag set did rinse a little better, in the regard that it was more forgiving on detergent use.
The Maytag would do short, quick tumbles in each direction.
This circulated the clothes well, while keeping any residual suds down, so they can drain away.
The Elux will whip that residual up, especially on towels for some reason. I have to make sure I do 'extra rinse' with towels.
Other than that, it's the best cleaning washer I've ever used. Not that my repertoire is as wide as some here.
I was able to read some of their patents a while back, and they listed out their recirculating scheme.
The gist of it, was that they pulse the recirc pump on and off to keep sudsing at bay, since in their research they found oversudsing would increase if they kept the pumps running the whole time during wash.
Their justification for any recirc, was to re-mix detergent that would settle out in the sump (I didn't know was a concern) and get that detergent back in the basket with the clothes.
If you have a dirty load with lots of solid particulates, I can see a recirc pump working against you, carrying that heavy stuff back into the basket. But on a whole, it helps more than harm I'd say.
The dryer is also great, if not a little slow. But that also means it's gentle on my clothes, which is good.
It doesn't autoclave them like all the apartment Speed Queens I've used in the past.
If it conked out, I would definitely get another Elux set.
fabric softener
Another reason why I prefer recirculation pumps to run is so that the fabric softener can be distributed evenly throughout the load.
Another reason why I prefer recirculation pumps to run is so that the fabric softener can be distributed evenly throughout the load.
washerdude
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Definitely agree about the rinsing part.
LG still hasn't changed the fact that the recirc jets stay on all the time during the rinse even between tumbles...it really does kick up suds.
I've found I have to use significantly less detergent than in my Whirlpool WFW72 or else those jets will kick up suds like mad.
LG still hasn't changed the fact that the recirc jets stay on all the time during the rinse even between tumbles...it really does kick up suds.
I've found I have to use significantly less detergent than in my Whirlpool WFW72 or else those jets will kick up suds like mad.
mark_wpduet
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so if you're seeing no suds in whirlpool but more in LG becuase of recirculation, wouldn't this mean that the no suds washer still had the same amount of detergent left in the clothes, but the recirculation just amplifies that bringing it to the surface? Maybe too much detergent was used in both cases, but you just didn't see it in one washer vs the other.. I know when I watch youtube videos of people filming different cycles, more often than not as I watch I'm thinking "too much detergent".. I mean, in mine, the only time I ever see the first bubble is if I wash something small...otherwise I never see suds at all....It will be interesting if in the future I do get an LG if I see suds...but the water here is pretty hard....which has a lot to do with it.
to washerdude
I find that fabric softener knocks down suds during the rinse cycle which I use anyway. I mean, LG could've left the recirculation pump running constantly during the wash portion.
I find that fabric softener knocks down suds during the rinse cycle which I use anyway. I mean, LG could've left the recirculation pump running constantly during the wash portion.
#64 Mark
You could be very right.
The soap residue could still be in some clothes, just not with the evidence of suds whipped up by recirculation.
It's hard to say though without a comparative study.
And I do enough of those at work LOL, so I'll continue to just select Extra Rinse.
You could be very right.
The soap residue could still be in some clothes, just not with the evidence of suds whipped up by recirculation.
It's hard to say though without a comparative study.
And I do enough of those at work LOL, so I'll continue to just select Extra Rinse.
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