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Thanks Henrik, for the concise explanation.

Regarding the Automatic EcoNavi Panasonics: there is some degree of sensing (I have one) - but it isn't infallible. During the summer, I washed a small load of a pair of Craghopper shorts, a couple of t-shirts, a few underpants, and pyjama shorts.

The stupid machine, which I fully expected to default to 1hr 18 and less, gave a single half-arsed weighing spin (usually does three) and then said 2hrs 45!

I pounced on the machine and cancelled it, and reset it. It then behaved normally. Bloody Fuzzy Logic! Never had half this problem in the olden days.
 
Henrik and others in the EU:

Can you give us an explanation of what and how Powerwash 2.0 works? I understand the first version of Powerwash and my W1 uses that. I've seen the Powerwash 2 term, and have watched videos of it but have no idea what I am seeing or why it is being done. Why is it good to use?
 
Thanks for that video. I had not seen that vid before, and that helps explain what it does.
So in the USA our W1 machines spin and spray but I am not sure about that heating method. Most of us are supplying our own hot water to the machine so maybe it might do this on the 140F or 60C temperature setting but I don't know if it is even necessary on a 104F warm wash.

Thanks again.
 
After a few weeks

So far, I am mostly impressed.

I was somewhat indifferent about how much I'd like PowerWash 2.0, but so far with a few exceptions I just can't for the love of it tell a difference.

I can get the number of rinses I want, get the same results, reach set temp (at least close enough) yet save 20% of energy or more on any load equal or less than about 6kg (13-14 pounds).

And when ever I don't need or want it, I just set one of the options under "Extras" and get a normal wash cycle.
That's a good idea for verry heavy soils or special loads like blankets and such.

I tried some SingleWash cycles and they are a little disappointing.

You have to be incredibly stingy with detergent, rinsing is somewhat cut short, the wash action is inexplicably reduced on any cycle I tried so far.

Yeah, gotta have to do some more trial and error with that.

QuickPowerWash is a nice and decent cycle.

The settings avaible are weired.
You can select or deselect Quick (with Quick is the default, without it lengthens from 59min to 1:15h).
Without "Quick" you can't select anything (don't even think that Preironing is avaible).
With Quick you can select SingleWash.
If you select SingleWash all of the sudden you can select some of the "Extras".
Guess that's because that SingleWash is just Cottons SingleWash.
Except on Cottons SingleWash with Stains, you get a 1:29h cycle, on QuickPowerWash, the same cycle does not change wash time.

Anyway, only tried the longer version at 40C so far and it was decent. Rinsing is certainly its weak point, but for most applications it is perfectly fine.

Pre-Ironing is a fun option.

It does really heat up the load, and it really smooths out wrinkels.

Only thing is that 30min is somewhat lengthy.

I had the machine glitch a couple of times already.

Ran a Cottons 90C with Intensive and an extra rinse and loaded that with (yeah, not kidding) my pillow, my 160cm*200cm matress cover and my neck roll.
Thing is that load absorbed north of 35l of water but dropped out a lot once heated.
Had set a cool down.
Machine was supposed to run 3 rinses.
But because max fill was reached already I would assume, it skipped the cool down and drain and ran the first rinse with the main wash water and thus only did 2 rinses effectivley.

MobileControl is glitchy AF.
Just resets cycle selections as it wants, just a PITA.

When ever your machine is on you can not check for software updates in your app.

At some points during some cycles the motor control gets activated for no apparent reason.
It just jerks into one direction a couple of times, as if the PCB is somewhat absent midedly tapping a button.

When you cancel a cycle, sometimes the door stays locked while the water diverter switches back to its default door flush position.
Like why?

When a cycle ends on the "Further Programms" setting, you sometimes have to turn the washer off to select a new cycle.

One interesting thing:

The "off" position on the dial is NOT a physical power switch.

On certain settings in the service cycle you have to move the dial to its "off" postion and the machine just stays on.
 
I don't have your exact model of W1 so I can't really comment on the glitches you experienced.
On my model, Single Wash is for loads of less than 4.5 pounds and yes it is for cottons or the Normal program wash. It takes about 33 minutes, 1 wash 2 rinses, but you can add an extra rinse.

I also have an Express program cycle that takes 30 minutes, 20 if you set the soil indicator to light. With this one, you cannot add an extra rinse I guess because it is supposed to be a faster one, but it can wash up to 8 pounds. Between both of these, you have options to run smaller loads quicker than if you used other program cycles. If I use Express I will usually have the max rinse setting turned on so I get a higher fill rinse to make up for the lack of an extra rinse. I don't have a problem with getting out of more programs, but that seems to be one of the glitches you have.

I use the pre-ironing option for dress shirts and pants and it too takes 30 minutes, but sometimes I add it to the Express cycle and end up with a 1-hour duration which isn't too bad.

No quick option on my machine. You get to select Express or SingleWash and some programs will decrease in time if you select light soil but the time decrease depends on what program cycle you are running. Some of them only fall 4 minutes, others like Express will decrease by 10. I think with mine the soil level is really controlling the amount of detergent that gets dispensed and the rinsing level. More detergent = more water in the rinses.

I have the machine connected to my Wifi network and don't have much success starting a program through my phone app, but on the plus side, If you start the app while the machine is already running in a program cycle, you will see the progress the machine is making in the program you started and you will get a notification when the load is finished. Interesting to see the water and electric consumption increase in real-time as the machine moves through the washes and rinses.
 
A few months in

And I am still impressed, really.

Again, not perfect by any means, but WAY ahead of ANYTHING I ever used.

Usage data is still amazing to me.

I never deactivated guided energy usage as it disables PowerWash 2.0 entirely and I never had much concerns with cleaning on my day to day loads.

If do not want to use PW2.0 I just select any option under the "Extras" sub menu and get a normal fill wash anyway.

Also kept Water+ set to only rinse plus as I never really saw the reason for the elevated water levels.

And no matter what I wash, results are perfectly good.

Spinning is still one of its strong points.

Spun every time, never noticed a speed reduction.

And - what I just realized a few weeks ago - it actually has load size dependent interim spins.
No joke, it just pulls up with barely any stepping inbetween on small loads, on large loads it spins more gradually.

So, to mark this thread as closed, I can just say that I am perfectly happy with the choice I made!
 
@henene4

I have to agree with you it really is a great washing machine and after reading your very complete list of what it does and when I have started using the cottons 60c the one that heats to the set temp, and using the intensive option and that makes a lot of difference to the wash rhythm as you say every thing comes out clean and whites are back to dazzling like they used to be.

I am still toying with getting the matching heat pump dryer as I have noticed my AEG 7kg dryer is taking forever to dry the loads the Miele washes its also creasing things up and taking me longer to iron soooooo I may treat myself in the new year :)

Austin
 
First kind of issue

So, this was a show floor model on one of the main pathways at my work.

A few days ago I noticed that the drawer stood out a few milimeters after a cycle.
Checked it out and found a small plastic piece broke loose.

It was one of the little pegs that keep the drawer snapped in.
There were 2, but I only found one plastic piece, so I assume one snapped of before either on the show floor or somewhere along the line and I didn't notice.

Miele gave me an E-Mail adress I mailed some photos to (my proof of purchase, rating plate and broken part) and they send me a new facia for the drawer.
Arrived in just 2 days.
Mounting was a bit of an issue (quite finicy plastic) but was done in 10min.
They even sent me a pack of their microfibre cloths as a gift.

Overall I don't blame Miele for this, probably just customers being customers.

Otherwise the machine is running great.
Recalibrated the machine, ran a cleaning cycle cleaned the drawer while at it.

I still do not regret my purchase.
 
"probably just customers being customers..."

Yes, somebody who worked in a shop once told me that the display appliances got broken by customers all the time.

I suppose domestic appliances at home are, well, just 'domestic appliances'. On the other hand, domestic appliances in an electrical store on display are subject to commercial abuse.

It doesn't help the situation if the manufacturers strive to shave off a few pennies here and there, thinning the plastic as they do so.
 
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