if you had to chose a dishwasher today what would you go with modern or vintage

[pierreandreply4]

hello to all aw members if yu had to chose a dishwasher today would you go with a modern dishwasher where you would have to let the hot water run from the tap before running the dishwasher or use the hi temp wash option as well as sanitize rinse option to get the needed hot water, or a vintage dishwasher where the water would already come in the dishwasher hot in modern dishwashers these days basing myself on the modern ge dishwasher my mom and I own if I have to add something in the dishwasher at start of the cycle until the options to heat the water kicks in water comes in luck warm or cold sometime so in order to get hot water I must use the steam prewash option as well as make sure the sanitize option is on feel free to share your opinions.

*small note the dishwasher I have is still brand new

 

[speedqueen]

Vintage!!!

We just replaced a BOL Modern WP with a vintage KitchenAid KDS-20. No comparison! Vintage is better, an old KA, Maytag Jetclean or reverse rack, Whirlpool Powerclean, or a D&M Rotorack

 

[johnb300m]

I would personally go new.
I’m quite confident in the performance of WP and Bosch’s new products. I like the water savings, the quiet operation, exterior style. The cycle times don’t bother me.

But that’s me.

 

[henene4]

Same

Hate noisy DW. And anything beyond 3.5gal for a typical 4-fill cycle seems unreasonable for me...

 

[wishwash]

I personally think that there are plenty of good options on the market. Bosch is definitely the king if finances allow. I'm simply blown away by the cleaning performance of these machines. They're so quiet its hard to tell if they are running.

From the standard brands (WP, GE, Frigidaire) I would honestly go with a middle of the line model. I think a lot of the higher end options are gimmicky. I do like Frigidaire's blade spray wash arm which appears to soak the load a lot better than a standard wash arm. I however have never really had issue with a standard one. GE seems like the Whirlpool knockoff with a little more thought put into them. It is really personal preference.

I think my biggest factor at this point is the way the racks are designed. Bosch definitely takes advantage of every square inch.

 

[iowabear]

I would love to find a vintage KitchenAid like so many have on this forum.

 

 

 

[stchuck]

I would love a vintage KitchenAid as well but surprisingly if I had to make the decision right now I would go with new. I currently have a Miele dishwasher and am more than pleased with the results. I consistently get beautifully clean dishes and not a speck of food is left on them. Once in a while I challenge it with a really burnt casserole dish or filthy pan and every time I think I will open it after the cycle and it will be dirty and every time its sparkling clean.

I have owned a Kenmore from the 70's, followed by a GE GSD2800, then an Australian brand that I cant remember, a whirlpool right after the power clean was discontinued, a Miele, a Bosch 800 series and now my Miele Futura Diamond. Of all of them this Miele and the GE are my favorites.

 

[stchuck]

One more

There was a Jenn Air about 6 years ago that had Maytag (hence whirlpool) guts and although I had problems that one cleaned surprisingly well. The racks rusted and the middle spray arm would stop rotating from time to time. When it worked I had great results. Cleaned as well as the Bosch.

 

[askolover]

When I found a new unused KUDI23 I jumped on it.  It's in my kitchen now.

 

[thomasortega]

It depends on the purpose.

For fun I'd love to have a vintage AND RARE model, better if it's new in box.

As a daily driver, I'd definitely go modern.

 

[chachp]

I am faced with that decision now

 

<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">We just bought a new house and my husband really wants a modern dishwasher in the kitchen as our daily driver.  We've been living with a Maytag RR for a about a year now.  I love it, but for whatever reason he really wants something modern in the kitchen.  I was hoping to find a vintage house with a vintage kitchen but it wasn't in the cards this time around.  We settled on a home built 18 years ago.  It was built by a builder for himself so it has lots of extras like an amazing custom kitchen.  This is the reason Joe wants modern for the dishwasher.  </span>

 

<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">So the compromise...The house has a large laundry room with lots of cabinets and a sink.  I'm going to have the cabinets altered to accommodate a dishwasher and I'll put a vintage machine in there and use it as a back up.  I can pull them in and out of there depending on my mood.  </span>

 

<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">I'm looking at a Miele G 6745 for the kitchen.  Anyone have this machine and recommendation?  We don't close until the end of this month so I still have some time to decide what I want to put in.  I've always wanted a Miele Dishwasher so I figure I better strike while the iron is hot on that one!!</span>

 

[vacerator]

vintage is fine,

but for me if the other appliances are also.
Miele is top klasse.
Is your pooch a poodle, havanese, or a bijon?
We've been without a dog going on 3 years. Had two large ones before. Time for a smaller breed. I'd like on I can still walk though.

 

[chachp]

She is a Bison thanks for asking.

 

<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">She is the light of my heart (next to hubby or course).  Best dog I have ever had.  We did a lot of research before we picked this breed and it was all true.  Very smart, good temperament, good around people, very easy to train, etc.  Spoiled you ask, YES and I own it.  LOL.</span>

<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;"> </span>

<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">She turned 13 this year and she is still going strong.  We keep her cut short because we don't want to brush her every day.  We have a few times over the years let her grow out to that typical Bison cut but it's lot of work so short is better for us.  </span>

<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">Here are a couple of my favorite snaps.  This is a great option if you want a small dog with a good temperament.  We pad trained her in about a week so she doesn't even have to go out unless we are.  Great option when it's crappy outside so she stays clean.</span>

 

[rolls_rapide]

"Modern or Vintage?"

It depends on several factors.

Obviously, water consumption is a big deal these days, so a modern machine it has to be.

Spare parts can be an issue, so again, go modern.

But there's no point in buying a modern machine if it doesn't clean well.

In saying that, my experience of a modern machine from 2013, shows that it cleans very well indeed.

Conversely, my modern machine from 2003/2004 is just too lily-livered to do a consistently good job. Bosch, with my model, erred just too much on the lower side of time and energy usage. It could have done with an extra 15-20 minutes per cycle, or a more aggressive spray action - or maybe both.

I rather think that machines and detergents have 'leap-frogged' over each other. Thus a vintage machine might give good performance with the old chlorine and phosphate detergents, but might not work as well with the biological non-phosphate ones. I had that experience with 1990s machines (Zanussi), and poor performance with bio powders (Reckitt Benckiser's 'Finish Ultra', Lever's 'Sun Micro', P&G 'Fairy Glazeguard'). The then available tablets weren't much cop either, typically Finish 'Dual Layer' and Lever's Sun. However, a concentrated Finish 'Ultra Plus' powder was chlorine based, and it worked absolutely wonderfully.

I suppose an analogy would be that vintage cars are designed for leaded petrol, but modern ones are made to use unleaded petrol.

 

[chachp]

Great analogy

 

<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">And one more thing to add to your list is the noise which is the main reason my other half wants a modern machine.  We have an open concept kitchen and family room.  Every vintage machine I've had in this kitchen has been so noisy that I could only run it when we weren't going to be watching TV.  The quietest was a Dacor I had years ago.  It was so quiet it had a light that shined on the floor to remind you it was running.  Hated the rack configuration.  I had a BOSCH for a while that was quiet but I didn't like those racks either.  Since then it's been all vintage. </span>

 

<span style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif;">The loudest of them all has been this Maytag RR but I love the loading and the cleaning so I run it when we're not in there.  The new house is not quite as open as this one but a loud machine will still be heard in the Family Room so I'll go modern for convenience sake (and to slow down the bitching Ha.) and the items you listed above.</span>

 

[panthera]

Oh, that's easy:

Vintage (pre water saving) Potscrubber with multi-orbital arm, hands down. Cleans better, rinses better, the multi-orbital arm doesn't require special loading to get things clean.

Vintage KA is overrated. They require insanely exacting loading patterns, their porcelain tanks rust through and they don't clean or rinse well enough to justify the outrageous prices.

But - any Hobart built KA is going to be a million times better choice than the plasti-elasti trash on the market today. Miele is the only good modern brand. I liked mine back home a lot. 

 

[peteski50]

Dishwashers!

These long long cycles are ridiculous that is the main reason I want to keep away from the newer units - and it doesn't accomplish any energy savings!

 

[lakewebsterkid]

New

We just replaced our Whirlpool GU2300 (which is for sale by the way) with a new Bosch 300 series machine. I love the Bosch. It uses far less water, believe it or not, energy as well using the Normal cycle. It washes better, and dries better despite what people say about them not drying. I do, however, dislike the racks in comparison. I am still getting used to it. I looked at Miele dishwashers and could not justify spending at least $1K for what I can get in a Bosch for $700. Plus, Bosch rates higher in reliability, wash performance, and also they have a larger number of certified service technicians and parts in the US. So I went with the Bosch! After Easter I loaded up the machine to the brim and ran a heavy cycle. Not a speck was left anywhere. The Whirlpool did a good job when using Hi-Temp wash and Sani-Rinse, but otherwise was average and loved to redistribute food particles. I clean the filter after each wash since I tend to not rinse before I load. It is just a way to prevent it from getting dirty. I just removed the second rack handle/ tablet tray to see if the Quantum pacs will dissolve faster this way.

With that being said, an old Hobart build KitchenAid machine would be cool since my great grandfather actually work at the Troy, Ohio plant, and these machines really kick up the water well. Some times I wish that the Whirlpool and Bosch both had a cycle that would run higher water levels, heat the water very quick, and use higher pressures. My Bosch does have the Clean30 cycle that I have never used. I do wish it came with the Clean60 cycle instead.

 

[ultralux88]

Personally quietness and low water consumption aren’t necessarily must haves to me, the biggest thing to me is how clean the dishes come out. My two biggest complaints about modern dishwashers: insanely long wash cycle times, and having grown up surrounded by dishwashers with built in garbage disposals, I find those filters in the bottom that you have to clean to be completely obnoxious. Perhaps I’ve been spoiled these last 13 years by the PowerClean and it’s disposal. I could overlook the long wash cycles if I didn’t have to clean that filter. Might seem like a strange and petty dealbreaker, but it’s so easy to forget about that filter until the foul smell of rotten food particles shows up. Some family with a now one year old Whirlpool with the global wash system had no idea the filter was there, and neither did I until recently, so the machine went almost a year without having that thing cleaned, talk about foul and fucci!