Siemens IFA 2014 Innovations:
Bosch IFA 2014 Innovations:
Bosch IFA 2014 Innovations:
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richnz
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Some lovely looking stuff coming to the shops soon
I can't see why if after paying top dollar for the best appliances why you would bother to push the eco button. A few litres of water saved and a few cents of electricity. Then the disappointment of having to rewash a bowl or shirt because it was not cleaned properly.
As for the trickery of drum volume/load capacity its almost like you have to go to the shops with a large load of laundry to see if it will fit inside. Often you are encouraged when shopping for dishwashers to take along bowls and plates to see how well they fit.
Finally after watching a video on YT:
Notice the profile of the door glass?
Has it always been shaped like a washer from the 90's. My W377 has a similar profile.
I can't see why if after paying top dollar for the best appliances why you would bother to push the eco button. A few litres of water saved and a few cents of electricity. Then the disappointment of having to rewash a bowl or shirt because it was not cleaned properly.
As for the trickery of drum volume/load capacity its almost like you have to go to the shops with a large load of laundry to see if it will fit inside. Often you are encouraged when shopping for dishwashers to take along bowls and plates to see how well they fit.
Finally after watching a video on YT:
Notice the profile of the door glass?
Has it always been shaped like a washer from the 90's. My W377 has a similar profile.
PowerWash 2.0
Not sure if I'm the first to realize, but I've been ones again blasted by Miele.
The manual of the WMV 960 is online for Germany and the UI is quite simple to use, yet it offfers a huge amount of options.
BUT one chapter blew me of my chair.
It states, that for medium and small loads, after the soaking routine, the washer sets the right water level, and it won't only add water, it might even drain some. The level it aims for is supposed to be low. Really low. It sounds like the water level is supposed to only cover the heater. Then, the recirc is started and only this minor pool of water is heated and sprayed on the load.
For me, this sounds like the SmartEx industrial washer which has no free water in the drum. And I think, this could be quite an advntage.
Not sure if I'm the first to realize, but I've been ones again blasted by Miele.
The manual of the WMV 960 is online for Germany and the UI is quite simple to use, yet it offfers a huge amount of options.
BUT one chapter blew me of my chair.
It states, that for medium and small loads, after the soaking routine, the washer sets the right water level, and it won't only add water, it might even drain some. The level it aims for is supposed to be low. Really low. It sounds like the water level is supposed to only cover the heater. Then, the recirc is started and only this minor pool of water is heated and sprayed on the load.
For me, this sounds like the SmartEx industrial washer which has no free water in the drum. And I think, this could be quite an advntage.
glenfieldmathk1
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an enthusiast's video on youtube - that I needed to show 
To all those thinking you can only operate with a cell phone, think again, it is touch screen, and is great to see, it also explains why in the picture it looks like only half the displays on, the other half is touch sensitive buttons like on the Supertronic!
Candy, Beko, LG and Indesit all have some 9KG machines, with smaller drum volumes.
Bosch/siemens 65l 9Kg has been around for about 2 years now, no complaints, in fact if you ask me its better, as it wont be filled to actual capacity, so will last longer as less strain.
That said they've been designed to be crammed full (in fact one of the international Hotpoint brochures actually shows/showed this).
back to Miele, I'm not sure about powerwash 2.0 but if it drains out the water, it'll drain the detergent out too - meanwhile I hope they added an extra rinse, as the 1 default is not enough.
To all those thinking you can only operate with a cell phone, think again, it is touch screen, and is great to see, it also explains why in the picture it looks like only half the displays on, the other half is touch sensitive buttons like on the Supertronic!
Candy, Beko, LG and Indesit all have some 9KG machines, with smaller drum volumes.
Bosch/siemens 65l 9Kg has been around for about 2 years now, no complaints, in fact if you ask me its better, as it wont be filled to actual capacity, so will last longer as less strain.
That said they've been designed to be crammed full (in fact one of the international Hotpoint brochures actually shows/showed this).
back to Miele, I'm not sure about powerwash 2.0 but if it drains out the water, it'll drain the detergent out too - meanwhile I hope they added an extra rinse, as the 1 default is not enough.
newwave1
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Miele: my LG used to operate in a similar manner of hardly any water in the drum and the strong recirc jet did most of the work!
Found these pics on Instagram too of vestel machines at IFA
Darren
Found these pics on Instagram too of vestel machines at IFA
Darren
The PowerWash cycle has been the most updated cycle Miele had so far.
This PoerWash 2.0 is supposed to work on Cottons and Easy Care. And I guess that, as the detergent will be dissolved and distributed after the soaking/saturating stage, the ratio detergent to water will stay the same. And TwinDose could redose. And, the manual states further that some options like water plus and/or prewash would deactivate this washsystem.
This PoerWash 2.0 is supposed to work on Cottons and Easy Care. And I guess that, as the detergent will be dissolved and distributed after the soaking/saturating stage, the ratio detergent to water will stay the same. And TwinDose could redose. And, the manual states further that some options like water plus and/or prewash would deactivate this washsystem.
l86810
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I read in the Miele press release that the machine compensates for the lower water level by doing frequent spins during the wash, to drive the water through the clothes.
Sounds like it would be pretty fun to watch!
Sounds like it would be pretty fun to watch!
newwave1
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I heard that too! Much more exciting than there previous ranges
Darren
Darren
newwave1
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I heard that too! Much more exciting than there previous ranges
Darren
Darren
rolls_rapide
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Spin Bursts!
Yay!
All modern machines should be doing these.
I have found that some machines take absolute ages to saturate the load, so doing such sequences would help to wet the laundry quicker, in conjunction with pumped spray jets.
Yay!
All modern machines should be doing these.
I have found that some machines take absolute ages to saturate the load, so doing such sequences would help to wet the laundry quicker, in conjunction with pumped spray jets.
glenfieldmathk1
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So Who's been??
Care to share with us any more photo's, video's, any other new appliances??
Care to share with us any more photo's, video's, any other new appliances??
PowerWash 2.0
According to the manual, Power Wash 2.0 works on the Cotton and Easy Care cycle with a small to medium load. The washer will initially sense the load size and then spin and spray water through the load - the drenching phase. After that, it'll adjust the water level, which means it can even drain some water. Once there is as little free water in the drum as possible, spinning and spraying is used throughout the main wash to distribute the heated wash water through the load. The manual also mentions that the temp measured by the temp sensor will not correspond to the temp of the clothes during PowerWash 2.0 - the sensor will read a higher temp. I suppose the heater will heat the water as it's dripping out of the clothes; and during spin bursts. It is also mentioned that there might be uncommon bubbling sounds during the heating stage.
The system is not active for large loads, if a spin speed below 600 rpm is selected (does that mean it spins at 600 rpm during the wash?!), at temps above 60C, if options such as Water Plus or Prewash are selected, if CapDosing is activated for the main wash.
According to the manual, Power Wash 2.0 works on the Cotton and Easy Care cycle with a small to medium load. The washer will initially sense the load size and then spin and spray water through the load - the drenching phase. After that, it'll adjust the water level, which means it can even drain some water. Once there is as little free water in the drum as possible, spinning and spraying is used throughout the main wash to distribute the heated wash water through the load. The manual also mentions that the temp measured by the temp sensor will not correspond to the temp of the clothes during PowerWash 2.0 - the sensor will read a higher temp. I suppose the heater will heat the water as it's dripping out of the clothes; and during spin bursts. It is also mentioned that there might be uncommon bubbling sounds during the heating stage.
The system is not active for large loads, if a spin speed below 600 rpm is selected (does that mean it spins at 600 rpm during the wash?!), at temps above 60C, if options such as Water Plus or Prewash are selected, if CapDosing is activated for the main wash.
Mat,
I spent four hours at IFA just looking and playing with the appliances. I took about 30 minutes of video (with all the touchscreens set to English) but won't be able to edit and upload them until tomorrow. I posted my first impression review at the German forum - but it's 1.5 pages long and I'm not gonna type all this into my phone now. Might post it when I get home from work at 10 pm.
I spent four hours at IFA just looking and playing with the appliances. I took about 30 minutes of video (with all the touchscreens set to English) but won't be able to edit and upload them until tomorrow. I posted my first impression review at the German forum - but it's 1.5 pages long and I'm not gonna type all this into my phone now. Might post it when I get home from work at 10 pm.
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<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">I went to this year’s IFA and spent four hours just browsing the huge appliance selection that was on display. This is Europe’s biggest electronics fair and the appliances made up maybe one fifth of the total area. </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">My IFA trends are</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">- touchscreens – all the major appliances seem to have them now; even in full color and/or HD</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">- colors and shapes: practically every manufacturer had appliance packages where every kitchen appliance matched the other one. That goes for laundry, too. Especially the Italian companies had some beautifully shaped and colored oven and small appliances</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">- alternate ways of cooking: steam cooking, speed cooking, sous vide…</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Of course, as every year: energy efficiency and connectivity.</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Miele: I must say, I pretty much liked everything I saw here. The touchscreen-driven washers and dryers take you through the cycles and option in a pretty logical way – at least I had no problems navigation through them. Same hold true for the M-Touch kitchen appliances. They have some impressive capabilities but, of course, it takes longer to set the oven than just turning a dial. There are ovens with dials (or a mix of glass touch surface and dials) as well. They had six Scout robotic vacuums on display as well, whizzing across two platforms, one of which was raised to show that it wouldn’t drop down. What I did notice was the almost playful tune as I switched the ovens on and off – reminded me of something Samsung or LG would usually have. The people at Miele where, as you’d expect, very nice. There was a magician show of some sorts going on… but I was busy playing with the new flagship laundry appliances. Unlike 2012, none of the Professional appliances were on display. </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Bosch/Siemens: I think they had the most impressive booth. Bosch had washers built into cubbies all the way up to the ceiling and Siemens’ booth looked like you were in some sort of SciFi movie setting. LED screens surrounding you. As for the appliances: again, I was pleased with what I saw. This new range washers, dryers and dishwashers now all display and estimate of how much energy and water is consumed (not that I would care). The dishwashers have glass touch panels, new cycles (Bosch) or three telescopic racks (Siemens). The openAssist feature is pretty neat: you just every so slightly press against the dishwasher door and it gently pops open – for those handle-free kitchens. The new ovens are stuffed with neat features and, contrary to what I had feared, easy to use – much like an iPod. The panels also move up to access the water tank for the steam function. I did notice, though, that the built-in microwaves had a fairly tiny interior. I also noticed that Siemens, once again, used some f’ed up lighting in their booth. Must be something related to the frequency of those lights but I could hardly take any videos because I had black bars running across my phone. I generally like BSH’s varioSpeed approach: laundry, cooking, dishes – you can either chose to save resources… or save up to 2/3 of time while getting the same results. The presenters were all nice, though I saw one woman, who also was a spokes lady on YouTube, who looked like a evil witch. Very Miranda Priestly in The devil Wears Prada. *yikes* Just like in the years before, there was plenty of cooking, baking and mixing going on and you could eat for free.</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">AEG/Electrolux: speaking of presenters… I was being excuse me’d at least three times at AEG’s booth. Like: I was filming an appliances and a presenter just came in and showed a bunch of visitors the features of the very appliance I was just filming. Argh! Generally, AEG seems to stay true to their slowly but surly strategy: I easily managed to get a cycle time of six hours by selecting Cottons Eco + extra rinses + pre wash. I saw a bunch of dishwashers also flashing cycle time of over three hours on Eco. Just like Bosch and Siemens, AEG had invited TV chefs to demo the cooking appliances and there were plenty of dishes and healthy drinks to be had. I didn’t know the Satellite spray arm is now available in 45cm dishwashers, too. Electrolux was kinda hidden behind the AEG booth. Nothing much to see here as it was just the same stuff with a different design. I did, however, like that lower basket on the dishwasher that swings out and up to easier loading. I almost comes up to the upper rack. </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Bauknecht/Whirlpool: I think this was the first time they made it to IFA. I think Bauknecht had the most innovations on display: induction ovens, a giant induction cook top that doubles as a tablet PC (just a prototype), the new washers and dryers, PowerDry in dishwashers, French Door refrigeration. I must say that I was impressed with the PowerClean technology on dishwashers. I had seen videos on YouTube of American Whirlpools having these extra jets in the lower back of the tub and the force was pathetic – but these jets here were very powerful, throwing water across the tub. Unfortunately, there was only a tiny bit of water in the tub (it was all about the drying system, not the wash system) so the burst lasted only a second before LEDs came on showing how the PowerDry system worked. Whirlpool’s commercial washer, however, was only a rebadged GE residential washer from the US – what’s up with that – and the Cottons cycle took over three hours. Commercial – yeah right. </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Beko: Beko had the most beautiful booth I think. They had trees and plants and gardens and (fake) birds singing. I was primarily looking at the new range of washers and dryers. The cycle dial is like a copy of the Siemen’s one but, overall, these units made a nice impression. Gotta love that Express cycle that goes up to 90C but still gets clothes washed in little time. Cycles and options seemed very reasonable, though there was a lot of focus on speed: Express, Super Express, Refresh cycle and e separate quick wash option, too. The dishwashers have very flexible spike rows in the upper basket, which I think is great for my oversized coffee mugs. That little extra cutlery drawer is beyond wobbly, though. </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Besides that, there were tons of other manufacturers, many of them Chinese companies displaying small appliances. Dyson’s booth was pretty small and the one Dyson Eye they had there did nothing. I didn’t get to see LG, Samsung or Panasonic because, unlike 2012, they didn’t have dedicated appliance sections but instead showed off their appliances along with their other stuff.</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">All in all, I am looking forward to next year’s IFA. This was the second time I went and the second time I got to park right in front of the building – yay. People were advised to use public transportation or park use one of the 5000 additional parking spaces at the Olympic stadium. But I managed to arrive right in front of the entrance; only had one minor car accident. </span>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">I went to this year’s IFA and spent four hours just browsing the huge appliance selection that was on display. This is Europe’s biggest electronics fair and the appliances made up maybe one fifth of the total area. </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">My IFA trends are</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">- touchscreens – all the major appliances seem to have them now; even in full color and/or HD</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">- colors and shapes: practically every manufacturer had appliance packages where every kitchen appliance matched the other one. That goes for laundry, too. Especially the Italian companies had some beautifully shaped and colored oven and small appliances</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">- alternate ways of cooking: steam cooking, speed cooking, sous vide…</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Of course, as every year: energy efficiency and connectivity.</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Miele: I must say, I pretty much liked everything I saw here. The touchscreen-driven washers and dryers take you through the cycles and option in a pretty logical way – at least I had no problems navigation through them. Same hold true for the M-Touch kitchen appliances. They have some impressive capabilities but, of course, it takes longer to set the oven than just turning a dial. There are ovens with dials (or a mix of glass touch surface and dials) as well. They had six Scout robotic vacuums on display as well, whizzing across two platforms, one of which was raised to show that it wouldn’t drop down. What I did notice was the almost playful tune as I switched the ovens on and off – reminded me of something Samsung or LG would usually have. The people at Miele where, as you’d expect, very nice. There was a magician show of some sorts going on… but I was busy playing with the new flagship laundry appliances. Unlike 2012, none of the Professional appliances were on display. </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Bosch/Siemens: I think they had the most impressive booth. Bosch had washers built into cubbies all the way up to the ceiling and Siemens’ booth looked like you were in some sort of SciFi movie setting. LED screens surrounding you. As for the appliances: again, I was pleased with what I saw. This new range washers, dryers and dishwashers now all display and estimate of how much energy and water is consumed (not that I would care). The dishwashers have glass touch panels, new cycles (Bosch) or three telescopic racks (Siemens). The openAssist feature is pretty neat: you just every so slightly press against the dishwasher door and it gently pops open – for those handle-free kitchens. The new ovens are stuffed with neat features and, contrary to what I had feared, easy to use – much like an iPod. The panels also move up to access the water tank for the steam function. I did notice, though, that the built-in microwaves had a fairly tiny interior. I also noticed that Siemens, once again, used some f’ed up lighting in their booth. Must be something related to the frequency of those lights but I could hardly take any videos because I had black bars running across my phone. I generally like BSH’s varioSpeed approach: laundry, cooking, dishes – you can either chose to save resources… or save up to 2/3 of time while getting the same results. The presenters were all nice, though I saw one woman, who also was a spokes lady on YouTube, who looked like a evil witch. Very Miranda Priestly in The devil Wears Prada. *yikes* Just like in the years before, there was plenty of cooking, baking and mixing going on and you could eat for free.</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">AEG/Electrolux: speaking of presenters… I was being excuse me’d at least three times at AEG’s booth. Like: I was filming an appliances and a presenter just came in and showed a bunch of visitors the features of the very appliance I was just filming. Argh! Generally, AEG seems to stay true to their slowly but surly strategy: I easily managed to get a cycle time of six hours by selecting Cottons Eco + extra rinses + pre wash. I saw a bunch of dishwashers also flashing cycle time of over three hours on Eco. Just like Bosch and Siemens, AEG had invited TV chefs to demo the cooking appliances and there were plenty of dishes and healthy drinks to be had. I didn’t know the Satellite spray arm is now available in 45cm dishwashers, too. Electrolux was kinda hidden behind the AEG booth. Nothing much to see here as it was just the same stuff with a different design. I did, however, like that lower basket on the dishwasher that swings out and up to easier loading. I almost comes up to the upper rack. </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Bauknecht/Whirlpool: I think this was the first time they made it to IFA. I think Bauknecht had the most innovations on display: induction ovens, a giant induction cook top that doubles as a tablet PC (just a prototype), the new washers and dryers, PowerDry in dishwashers, French Door refrigeration. I must say that I was impressed with the PowerClean technology on dishwashers. I had seen videos on YouTube of American Whirlpools having these extra jets in the lower back of the tub and the force was pathetic – but these jets here were very powerful, throwing water across the tub. Unfortunately, there was only a tiny bit of water in the tub (it was all about the drying system, not the wash system) so the burst lasted only a second before LEDs came on showing how the PowerDry system worked. Whirlpool’s commercial washer, however, was only a rebadged GE residential washer from the US – what’s up with that – and the Cottons cycle took over three hours. Commercial – yeah right. </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Beko: Beko had the most beautiful booth I think. They had trees and plants and gardens and (fake) birds singing. I was primarily looking at the new range of washers and dryers. The cycle dial is like a copy of the Siemen’s one but, overall, these units made a nice impression. Gotta love that Express cycle that goes up to 90C but still gets clothes washed in little time. Cycles and options seemed very reasonable, though there was a lot of focus on speed: Express, Super Express, Refresh cycle and e separate quick wash option, too. The dishwashers have very flexible spike rows in the upper basket, which I think is great for my oversized coffee mugs. That little extra cutlery drawer is beyond wobbly, though. </span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">Besides that, there were tons of other manufacturers, many of them Chinese companies displaying small appliances. Dyson’s booth was pretty small and the one Dyson Eye they had there did nothing. I didn’t get to see LG, Samsung or Panasonic because, unlike 2012, they didn’t have dedicated appliance sections but instead showed off their appliances along with their other stuff.</span>
<span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;">All in all, I am looking forward to next year’s IFA. This was the second time I went and the second time I got to park right in front of the building – yay. People were advised to use public transportation or park use one of the 5000 additional parking spaces at the Olympic stadium. But I managed to arrive right in front of the entrance; only had one minor car accident. </span>
rolls_rapide
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Thanks for that report, I want everything on display!
I also saw a few things on BBC News's "Click!" programme, a technology show. They were reporting from IFA.
The Dyson 360 Eye was probably recharging. It was shown on "Click!". Also shown, was Samsung's Cyclone robot vacuum cleaner. It can follow a laser pointer's spot, to clean small dirty areas.
Also shown, was Panasonic's induction cooktop surface, with built in stirrer function. I presume that the induced magnetic field effectively turns a suitable pot and stirrer into a low speed motor, for making sauces.
Panasonic's hidden shelving looked nice, but is only practical if you live in a mansion.
One can but dream!
I also saw a few things on BBC News's "Click!" programme, a technology show. They were reporting from IFA.
The Dyson 360 Eye was probably recharging. It was shown on "Click!". Also shown, was Samsung's Cyclone robot vacuum cleaner. It can follow a laser pointer's spot, to clean small dirty areas.
Also shown, was Panasonic's induction cooktop surface, with built in stirrer function. I presume that the induced magnetic field effectively turns a suitable pot and stirrer into a low speed motor, for making sauces.
Panasonic's hidden shelving looked nice, but is only practical if you live in a mansion.
One can but dream!
I want everything on display
Ha! That's what I thought, too. I wonder what happened to the appliances after the fair? They should have given them to me.
That Panasonic induction cooktop sounds very cool. It was on display back in 2013, I think. They had a whole range of blenders, juicers etc. that were wirelessly powered by placing them on the cooktop.
Ha! That's what I thought, too. I wonder what happened to the appliances after the fair? They should have given them to me.
That Panasonic induction cooktop sounds very cool. It was on display back in 2013, I think. They had a whole range of blenders, juicers etc. that were wirelessly powered by placing them on the cooktop.
glenfieldmathk1
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Thanks Logixx...
Sounds like it was an amazing show
Sounds like it was an amazing show
mielerod69
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Some pix from the show
Here are some pix of the show
Here are some pix of the show
mielerod69
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Here are some more
Part 2
Part 2
