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based on what I read

I lean toward the Maytag. The warranty seems better and overall, it seems less complicated to use.
 
Maytag is the last of the US brands that offers a full line with the soft food disposer in it rather than a filter. Can't say that about Whirlpool, Kenmore, KitchenAid, GE, Frigidaire any longer.
 
I vote for the miele for wash performance

Having owned three, the last one being the dimension, and also having owned a GE as well as Whirlpool, Jenn-air, and Bosch there is no comparison. As far as drying I don't pay all that close of attention because its not that important to me but I think it was fine.
 
I have a Bosch, with a steel tub and without heated drying, similar to Miele. These DWs dry the dishes with a very hot final rinse. The heated water then condenses as water droplets on the steel tub sides---while as the same time evaporating off the dishes. You end up with dry dishes and wet steel tub sides (this is normal). In order for this process to work properly, you must use a rinse agent such as Jet-Dry. There is no heated drying in either a Bosch or a Miele.

Mieles are great, but pricey. You might consider a MOL or TOL Bosch in lieu of a BOL Miele to save some money and still get roughly the same performance. TOL Bosches now feature a third flatware rack. Another advantage of Bosch: it is sold through large chain stores (Lowes, Best Buy, etc.) and therefore may be subject to sale prices or promotions (buy a washer and a dryer and get 10% off, etc.). Miele prices are very tightly controlled, because they are sold through either Miele stores (for example, some Miele vacuum dealers sell DWs too) or independent retailers---and anyone caught discounting is usually drummed out of the distribution chain.
 
Tanks all!

I have a question though, is more water usage better? The jet clean cycle on the Maytag automatically defaults to 12.7 gallons without options, with options the manual says adds more water heat and time and that's assuming no soil is detected, so Im guessing the machine can do 14 gallons alone with no soil. Even more with... :D  The Miele however only uses 6.3 gallons worst case, in addition to that it looks like this machine also pulls off the gross one rinse syndrome since the cycle chart looks bland. The Maytag from the looks of it cleans better, as apposed to the Miele. 

 

Is my thinking right?
 
Well, now. The Miele will give you perfect results whatever it uses. EU DW use only about 6-9 gallons each cycle since the 90s.
And the single rinse syndrom may occur on the label programm, but when ever else, it is most likely will do one not heated and one heated rinse with rinse agent.
I can only advise you to get either a Bosch or a Miele...
 
I have a recomendation, at Best Buy, you can get a older Whirlpool style dishwasher. With the 3 level wash system, here it is. Its not the crappy kind of one wash arm system. Its the three level tower wash system, I just got this exact one.

Best dishwasher we have ever owned. Plus, it was not too expensive. I would stay away from brand new Whirlpool products. I heared that the control panels can catch on fire. Plus the new ones have so many issues.

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Thanks but no thanks

That machine may have 3 levels of wash but it has no real filter, no chopper, close to half a gallon of water remains in the sump, it has no thermal holds, no sani rinse,  its loud, no extra dry, no sound shielding, has only 2 1.3 gallon rinses unlike the Maytag which can get much more. Dura wash isn't the point voyager wash system. I have used Dura wash before and it just isn't what Im looking for. It cleans better than a GE, but still I found food particles left over. Dura wash is more targeted towards builder and contractors so they can claim the property they are selling/remodeling has a dishwasher. If that was a Powerclean module I would though.
 
Choice of two New DWs

I would get the Maytag hands down, much larger inside, MUCH more durable and best of all it is reasonably priced, remember if you buy the Miele you may have to face an $800 repair in the first 5 years like one of my customers recently did, she pulled the plug and replaced it with a MT like you are considering and she said other than the fact she can now hear the soft sounds of her dishes being washed, the MT is better in all other respects.
 
Drying

I love my Miele for the way it gets everything so spotlessly clean.  It may take longer to get the job done than my ISE/KA 22 series clone did, but the results are consistently superior, and it's nearly silent during the whole process.

 

I can't give the same sort of praise when it comes to drying.  It's the worst at drying and leaves more water in cup bottoms than any dishwasher I've ever used. 

 

I typically run it at night.  The next morning I may grab a clean mug or bowl out of it first thing, and in one instance I closed it back up and waited until later in the day to unload it.  What I found inside was a bunch of sweaty dishes.  Now I make it a point to open the door after it has completed its full cycle and leave it propped open for a while so things can actually dry.

 

I can't seem to win.  The Thundering Thermador was horrible at cleaning, but it dried better than any machine I've ever used.  The Miele is just the opposite, but at least I can compensate for the poor drying.  It's still a wonderful machine in all other respects.

 

 
 
A lot of people seem to run their dishwashers over night. I never do this. For me, when an appliance has finished, I unload it. Leaving dishes (or laundry) in there would like leaving the car in the driveway the engine running. Therefore, drying isn't a big issue in the Bosch. I crack the door open when the cycle is done, wait five minutes for the dishes to cool off and even plastic items are dry.

I can see, though, how dishes can become wet if one leaves the door shut as most European dishwashers have practically no vent to release humidity from the tub.
 
I've learned to run the Miele early enough so I can shut it off and leave the door open at about a 60 degree angle overnight.  Cup bottoms are mostly dry in the morning.

 

In addition, the operating instructions advise that even though the "End" light may be lit, the machine is still using energy.  To what extent I don't know, but that's another reason I run it early enough so I can shut it off completely before bed.

 

The cold sweaty dishes were a result of going to bed before the machine was finished, leaving it closed up tight overnight, and not emptying it until later the next day.
 
Sometimes I can't attend to (empty) my Bosch DW right away. I run it after dinner and don't have time to empty it until morning. Or I switch it on after breakfast and don't empty until late evening. THere is a minor problem with deep-footed mugs having a little residual water on top. I blot up the water with a dish towel. Yes, the power cycle takes 2.5 hours but gets dishes CLEAN with low water use. Even if I don't open the DW for 10-12 after a wash, everything is top except the tops of some mugs.
 
LG: If not for their dismal reliability record, I'd recommend an upper-end LG. Mine served me well for five years of very tough use, but within the past few months the seal around the lip, the lower door seal, and the drain hose all gave out, causing leaks. The cracked drain hose caused substantial floor damage (see my photo in the "New GE On Order" thread). As much as I loved the performance of my LG, I certainly can't recommend one.
 

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