Increasingly Long Wash Cycle Times & Fabric Wear

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Now have AEG toplader up and running am gobsmacked at some of these cycle times. So called "40-60 Mix" is a whopping three hours and nearly 20 minutes long. Unless one uses "time saver" normal cycles for cottons/linens, synthetics, easy ironing, etc.. aren't much shorter either.

Has anyone on either side of pond looked into fabric wear after one's wash is repeatedly subjected to washing for several hours at a go? It doesn't seem like this could be a good thing....
 
Yes, I've seen wear/shedding of lint in my Panasonic.

Typically the Cottons 60°C programme lasts about 2hrs 30mins. Depending upon which powder detergent is used - and how much - sometimes a head of foam sits halfway up the door glass. I have seen lint in the foam deposited on the door glass, and usually there is some lint in the folds of the door seal.

I think the lower water levels allow far too much abrasion of the fabrics. It doesn't help that the machine has long tumbles. I personally think the drum lifters are a bit too harsh, being plastic angular affairs.

I was comparing my machine to my mum's Bosch. The Bosch can apparently do a 60°C Cottons programme in around an hour or thereabouts. The drum lifters in it are metal, rounded. And it seems to use a bit more water during the wash.
 
3 hours and 20 minutes is way too long and washing clothes for that long will cause clothes to wear sooner than they should. I remember John L (combo52) somewhere in a threat from 2 years ago saying you only need to do a 6 to 8 minute wash for lightly soiled clothes in a top loading machine or something and that’s the amount of time I usually wash my clothes for in my ‘63 Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII or ‘73 Maytag A606.
 
It may take longer

But can't say as I have seen much difference with using long or short cycles, But having used a Hotpoint twin tub there is always a huge amount of lint after just a 10 min wash cycle ..... I knew a lady who refused to have a dryer as was convinced all the fluff was the disintegration of clothes but after seeing how well they removed pet dander etc had a whirlpool dryer and never looked back.

As Henene says you can have items that are years old.

Austin
 
The reason why the Kenmore direct drives got the name “Shredmore” is people had a bad habit of overloading them and selecting a 14 minute wash time. When loaded properly and if clothes aren’t heavily soiled you only need a 6 to 8 minute wash time and you’ll notice a lot less wear when selecting a 6 to 8 minute wash time.
 
I have had my Maytag Maximas now for 7 or 8 years. Most of the cycles I use clock in at 2-3 hours. I always use cycles that engage the heater, but you need a fairly long wash to get any meaningful raise in temperature. I use Allergen a lot, on hot the default time is 40 minute wash ( 1 hour 40 minute total), on extra hot it’s an hour and ten minutes ( 2hr 10 minute total). Sanitize is the longest with a total cycle time of 2.5 hours. It would finish in closer to 2 but sanitize includes a steam sequence regardless if you select it or not and they takes about 20 minutes extra. I almost always use the extra rinse option, and in most cycles the rinse and Final spin sequence takes an hour. In any case I find that the longer cycles clean very well and I have not noticed any additional wear or linting. I had a whirlpool DD thin twin set before and my Maximas produce far less lint than the DD did.
 
Isn't it the case that automatic front loading machines in years gone by, tended to wash in a greater amount of water, more gently, i.e. less actual time revolving the drum; more time standing still?

I think the daft EU regulations have caused the machine manufacturers to increase tumble times somewhat excessively, in less water, for an overall longer wash time period.
 
I’ve noticed the “gentleness” scores for front-loaders in CR’s tests have dropped the past few years as Normal cycles at the heaviest soil setting have become uber-long.

While front-loaders almost always scored “very good” or “excellent” for gentleness when cycles were 40-75 minutes, some of those scores have dropped to only “good” or even “fair” as cycles blew well past the 90-minute mark.

Many normal loads don’t require the heaviest soil option, which can drop cycle time significantly, especially in US machines that aren’t required to internally heat water from the cold tap. I recall that the Normal cycle on my 2015 Maytag Maxima was 40-50 minutes until you got to the heaviest soil option, at which point the cycle time took a huge jump.

Even Speed Queen joined the club with their TC 5000 top-loader—the model with traditional agitation. The maximum agitation time on my 2017 9-Series is about 14 minutes on the Heavy Duty cycle—a couple of minutes longer on the Whites cycle. Selecting the heavy soil option in conjunction with the Normal cycle on the TC 5000 boosts wash agitation time to nearly 40 minutes, which accounts for the machine’s improved cleaning score and decreased score for gentleness.

I have to admit I’ve become spoiled by the quick cycle times on the 9-Series. Many of my loads can be washed using the light or medium soil level settings, with cycles clocking in between 29-33 minutes. Combine that with the dryer’s high drying temp and an 8-lb. load is washed and dried in just a bit over an hour. Two loads (one being washed while one is in the dryer) are finished in an about an hour-and-a-half.
 
I recall quite a number of years ago that Consumer Reports used a special type of fabric , imported from Denmark or somewhere iirc, to judge how gentle each machine was. I've never heard mention of it since.
 
Remember the pie of good laundering...

Water

Time

Mechanical action

Chemical action

Temperature

Decreasing one of the above variables generally means one or more of the others must rise to compensate.

Soaking or reduced mechanical action means longer wash times.

Colder water temps means usually a stronger or more chemical action is required.

Reducing water levels means longer cycles in order to ensure wash is thoroughly cleaned and rinsed.

Whole concept behind water re-circulation systems is to allow washing machines to use less water. This is done by forcing what water is in tub through laundry via mechanical pumping of water. This as opposed to the "scoop and ladle" or "12-3-12" methods of old that front loaders relied upon exclusively for ages. Machines still do use those systems, but there isn't enough water in tub (especially for domestic front loaders what do wet nap type washing), to scoop and ladle much if anything. So pumps must force water back into washing.

Commercial/industrial washing machines process a load of washing from 10lbs to nearly 1000lbs in about 35 to 45 minutes. My AEG toplader shows nearly one hour for rinsing and spinning for "normal/cottons" alone. Mind you that countdown will change but usually at end only several minutes have been sometimes shaved off.

Of course commercial machines are still allowed to use far more water than domestic washing machines.
 
Bit the bullet yesterday

Used default time for "Normal Cottons/Linens-Easy Cares" on my AEG Lavamat. A whopping nearly two hours (119 minutes), but results were far better at 60 degrees C than my usual "Time Saver" option of reducing things down to 63 minutes.

Of that nearly two hours a full 56 or so minutes is devoted to washing (including heating water). But machine allots about 62 minutes for rinsing; mind you have extra rinse programmed by default so that is that bit.

Rinses seemed longer and greater in number than with time saver option chosen.

Funny thing after all these years of owning AEG Lavamat have never used full normal cycle before as felt didn't have that kind of time for just one load of washing. Oddly when looking at manual last night the shortest "time saving" options are down for synthetics only. Cottons and linens are supposed to be at longer cycle times. Guess that's me sorted!

Still the AEG Lavamat was a better option than the Electrolux AEG with nearly three hour cycle time for "normal". That kid of time one really didn't have as had a few loads of washing.

Interesting thing; was going to use the "energy saver" cycle since was doing a 60 degree C wash, but there isn't that much of a time or water savings off using "normal". Only a few liters less water and a few minutes less of wash time. Doesn't seem like much of a energy savings IMHO.
 
Well yes, compared to a boil wash (95 C)

Suppose there is a bit of energy saved, but was only doing a 60 C wash so guess that is why didn't notice much difference, well not according to what manual states anyway.

Just had peep at owners manual. Energy savings is 39 liters of water for a 5kg wash at 0.89 kWh at 120 minutes, temp is "approximately 60 degrees C). Boil wash (95 C) for 5kg is only 42 liters at 1.80 kWh at 148 minutes.

Manual doesn't list how "time saver" option affects 95C washes, but next time have machine on will see what reductions take place. Though wonder if shortening time would affect heating, that is would wash still reach 95C. If so should cycle be shortened too much or at all doesn't make much sense really. I mean to heat up water only to dump it all down drain five or so minutes later.

Could likely get same or better energy savings on a boil wash by allowing machine to fill with warm water instead of cold.
 
Then you have the new energy saving cycle for the first ever energy label over here.

That washes at either 52C or 57C, can't entirely remember.
No temp hold either.
Rinses are longer at lower level.
And I am not entirely sure, but maybe one rinse less by default.

If you have only one time saver step - which should be the case - it will cut one rinse and shorten the main wash by about half.
That doesn't leave much time when heated, yes.
But has the same effect regardless of temperature.
Temps are still achieved regardless.

Though you were supposed to reduce loading or expect decreased results.

Rinses are shorter with a somewhat higher level.

On the models with no separate Easy Care the main difference is as far as I understand that depending on absorbency cycle time is reduced since easy care was for the most part just a shorter main wash with a lower and shorter Interim and final spin.
You were supposed to judge spin speed yourself if you were running true easy cares.

This generation of AEGs did not display a reduced time.
They just counted down faster.
 

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